Divorced Miss Kodak, Married 5D

I guess you're riight.

Still better than locking 'em up in a cupboard to gather dust.

Anyway - haven't you just sold your bride of 3 years?

And who's decided that cameras are female in the first place? (seems pretty counter intuitive to me).

:-)

jono
Err, you SELL them actually. Which makes you the Pixel Pimp rather
than the Camera Casanova...

Tim
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Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
 
Hi Tim
If we're going to be pedantic;
"Divorced Miss Kodak" - now what are we supposed to think about that!

;-)
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Anyway - haven't you just sold your bride of 3 years?
Fair cop. She's gone into the white slave trade in Aberdeen.
And who's decided that cameras are female in the first place?
(seems pretty counter intuitive to me).
This one could run and run:
1) They're very sensitive
2) Expensive to run
3) Only give you what you want if you know exactly which buttons to press

4) Are usually far better than us anyway, so whichever one we choose generally shows us up
5) Hate dust
6) Are constantly desiring new accessories
7) Most seem to prefer a hot shoe to a popup ;-)
8) Display strange chromatic aberrations and shading at weddings
9) Appear to show you what they're thinking but then react unexpectedly
10) Are utterly gorgeous and desirable, often even when older.

There, that'll get me slung overboard!

Over to you...
 
I had thought so as well, and I had therefore expected to stay with the SLR/c for my landscape work. But on a recent trip to Madeira, I used the 5D (with the 24-105mm IS lens) and found myself quite happy with the images. So I thought a critical comparison using a prime lens (Canon 50mm 1.8 at f 8) would be interesting.

The result amazed me. No noticeable difference in resolution and sharpness at my usual print size (A3 Epson 2400), but a very noticeable difference when I printed the central portions of images upscaled in CS2 to the giant size of 30x45 inches.

And the diffference favored the Canon 5D!

http://www.pbase.com/fwscharpf/test_5dslrc

The sharpening routine used in both cases is what I settled down for after much experimentation for my SLR/c landscape work:
No sharpening in Photoshop.
PK Capture Sharpene: Superfine Edge Sharpening.
PK Creative Sharpener: Luminance Sharpening 2.

As iit seems, the Canon has more crisp detail than the Kodak at 160, not only at ISO 100-400, but even at ISO 800. There is more noise at ISO 1600, but the detail seems to hold up remarkably well.

I will still keep the Kodak, but Now it will be my backup camera, I am afraid.

Fritz
I finally took the leap... have sold my SLR/n (it was, of course, a
wrench) and bought a 5D.

The colour doesn't look as good, sharpness is lower and there are
fewer pixels, no nice little hand grip thingie, no selectable VF
grid, no flash etc etc but I love my new 24-105 image stabilised
lens and the 5D's higher ISO reach. Oh, and the charger is the size
of a matchbox rather than a shoe box...

Let's just hope I don't regret it! Imagine the pangs at the post
office this afternoon as I posted SLR/n off to her new husband!

But I'm going to stay with this forum and with our challenges here:
just cos the parents are divorced, I don't see why i should give up
access to the rest of the family!

Tim
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http://www.pbase.com/tashley/
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Fritz

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I find it interesting that Phil's resolution charts seem to suggest that the old 1Ds with only 11MP stands up to the Kodaks and that the 5D is not quite as high res even with 2 extra MP.

Not sure what the correlation is between res charts and real world though.
The result amazed me. No noticeable difference in resolution and
sharpness at my usual print size (A3 Epson 2400), but a very
noticeable difference when I printed the central portions of images
upscaled in CS2 to the giant size of 30x45 inches.

And the diffference favored the Canon 5D!

http://www.pbase.com/fwscharpf/test_5dslrc

The sharpening routine used in both cases is what I settled down
for after much experimentation for my SLR/c landscape work:
No sharpening in Photoshop.
PK Capture Sharpene: Superfine Edge Sharpening.
PK Creative Sharpener: Luminance Sharpening 2.

As iit seems, the Canon has more crisp detail than the Kodak at
160, not only at ISO 100-400, but even at ISO 800. There is more
noise at ISO 1600, but the detail seems to hold up remarkably well.

I will still keep the Kodak, but Now it will be my backup camera, I
am afraid.

Fritz
I finally took the leap... have sold my SLR/n (it was, of course, a
wrench) and bought a 5D.

The colour doesn't look as good, sharpness is lower and there are
fewer pixels, no nice little hand grip thingie, no selectable VF
grid, no flash etc etc but I love my new 24-105 image stabilised
lens and the 5D's higher ISO reach. Oh, and the charger is the size
of a matchbox rather than a shoe box...

Let's just hope I don't regret it! Imagine the pangs at the post
office this afternoon as I posted SLR/n off to her new husband!

But I'm going to stay with this forum and with our challenges here:
just cos the parents are divorced, I don't see why i should give up
access to the rest of the family!

Tim
--
http://www.pbase.com/tashley/
--
Fritz

http://www.pbase.com/fwscharpf/galleries
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Galleries and website: http://www.whisperingcat.co.uk/mainindex.htm
 
Hi Dave

I have to say, that stepping down to the 10mp of the D200 doesn't seem to have had any impact at all - comparing files against the Kodak files, they seem to give just as much detail - OTOH comparing these to the 8mp files of the E500 shows a huge difference.

I think there are so many variables involved in this - but it seems to me that 10mp is really about as far down as one would like to go - basically it means that you can print at 240 dpi on A3+ paper with a small border, and without having to do any resizing or interpolation - which is what I wan't to do most of the time.

I think one tends to forget that we are talking area here, rather than linear, so, effectively, to double the linear pixel count of a 5mp sensor you need 20mp . . . . . which rather brings into focus the fact that the difference between 10.4mp (3872) vs Kodak 13.7 (4500) is really not that big in terms of paper sizes.

kind regards
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Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
 
That is good to know considering that the D200 avoids the aliasing problems of the kodaks.

Now, if only you could actually find one of the things!
Hi Dave
I have to say, that stepping down to the 10mp of the D200 doesn't
seem to have had any impact at all - comparing files against the
Kodak files, they seem to give just as much detail - OTOH comparing
these to the 8mp files of the E500 shows a huge difference.

I think there are so many variables involved in this - but it seems
to me that 10mp is really about as far down as one would like to go
  • basically it means that you can print at 240 dpi on A3+ paper
with a small border, and without having to do any resizing or
interpolation - which is what I wan't to do most of the time.

I think one tends to forget that we are talking area here, rather
than linear, so, effectively, to double the linear pixel count of a
5mp sensor you need 20mp . . . . . which rather brings into focus
the fact that the difference between 10.4mp (3872) vs Kodak 13.7
(4500) is really not that big in terms of paper sizes.

kind regards
--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
--
Galleries and website: http://www.whisperingcat.co.uk/mainindex.htm
 
5) Hate dust
LOL, you haven't seen my house! I have Quentin Crisp's attitude to dust. My G5 ground to a halt recently becaus eof all the dust and cat hair inside.
6) Are constantly desiring new accessories
More than Mr Slack?
7) Most seem to prefer a hot shoe to a popup ;-)
I've got one pair of boots, one pair of sandals and one pair of shoes.
10) Are utterly gorgeous and desirable, often even when older.
You sneaked that one in to mollify me didn't you!
 
Hey, Dan,, can you translate this please? I believe this is one of
those american cultural references that we don't have here. I once
spent weeks trying to discover just what a homecoming queen was,
Chris explained it well. What do you call former students in the UK?

The definition of homecoming queen is "that girl in high school who was too good for you, and who knew it". Sigh. Sorry, is my inner-geek showing? ;-)
How's your little boy BTW? My granddaughter is at such a cute stage
(I think they're the same age, around 21 months?) she calls socks
sex, dog is gog, and all men are daddy,which can be a bit awkward
when she accosts a stranger..
Jack is really cute right now. Just the other day he did his first digital image: I have my Wacom tablet out, and he started scribbling on it. I showed him what was happening on the screen, and he instantly understood it. Check out his first drawing, I think he has promise: http://blog.danielsroka.com
 
What do you call former students in the UK?
Umm, former or ex students, or graduates or whatever.
The definition of homecoming queen is "that girl in high school who
was too good for you, and who knew it". Sigh. Sorry, is my
inner-geek showing? ;-)
Ah, never mind. you're all sorted now :-)
Jack is really cute right now. Just the other day he did his first
digital image: I have my Wacom tablet out, and he started
scribbling on it. I showed him what was happening on the screen,
and he instantly understood it. Check out his first drawing, I
think he has promise: http://blog.danielsroka.com
Definitely a graphic designer in the making I'd say. I hope you printed it out and framed it.
 
Come on then... make a list of why a camera is like a man! Just
don't break my sensor....

Tim
Okay:
prone to exposing
flashes (see above)

the longer, fatter, wider the bit sticking out of the front the happier its male owner is
often technical for the sake of it
concerned with ego enhancement and the status quo
hangs around your neck like an albatros
produces smutty pictures (when the sensor needs a clean)
temperamental
needs coaxing to get the best from it
need I go on....
 
Okay okay I get the lesson: never start a fight you can't win!

ROFL!
xxt
Come on then... make a list of why a camera is like a man! Just
don't break my sensor....

Tim
Okay:
prone to exposing
flashes (see above)
the longer, fatter, wider the bit sticking out of the front the
happier its male owner is
often technical for the sake of it
concerned with ego enhancement and the status quo
hangs around your neck like an albatros
produces smutty pictures (when the sensor needs a clean)
temperamental
needs coaxing to get the best from it
need I go on....
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http://www.pbase.com/tashley/
 
Well, you did infer you like being beaten :-))
ROFL!
xxt
Come on then... make a list of why a camera is like a man! Just
don't break my sensor....

Tim
Okay:
prone to exposing
flashes (see above)
the longer, fatter, wider the bit sticking out of the front the
happier its male owner is
often technical for the sake of it
concerned with ego enhancement and the status quo
hangs around your neck like an albatros
produces smutty pictures (when the sensor needs a clean)
temperamental
needs coaxing to get the best from it
need I go on....
--
http://www.pbase.com/tashley/
 

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