Reinhard #50659
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I'd concur. The only thing that annoys me about this lens is that it's a DFA and not a DA.
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Summary roadmap 2006 Pentax/Samsung
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Cideway
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Thing is that this comtradicts what pentax and samsung have released already
basically what pentax samsung have stated and released was that Pentax was going to release a camera that they have been develpoing by them selves that is a mid level camera, now various sources have stated that this will be in feb, and the D replacement.
Then the were going to release a camera based on a current model but with samsung electrics and badge, the GX-1L we have all seen that picatures for.
The next two models were coloborations between pentax and samsung based on new technology and would be the DS/L replacements.
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That maybe, not our concern, but that was going to happen latter then pentax's first next generation camera
that is about spot on
Pentax have stated that the and other have suggested/stated that a mid level camera will be announced at PMA
Next, that is old news
No exactly high performance, and doesn't fit the range suggested by the road map
Next, old news
Why? they already have one
next, old news
basically what pentax samsung have stated and released was that Pentax was going to release a camera that they have been develpoing by them selves that is a mid level camera, now various sources have stated that this will be in feb, and the D replacement.
Then the were going to release a camera based on a current model but with samsung electrics and badge, the GX-1L we have all seen that picatures for.
The next two models were coloborations between pentax and samsung based on new technology and would be the DS/L replacements.
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Reinhard #50659
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I don't think so. The only press release I know of is the Reuters/Nikkei one:
"... a 70K yen body in the spring based on an existing Pentax body with Samsung sensor (now apparently w/ Cypress sensor) and supporting software, and a 200K yen body jointly developed with Samsung. "
Since the semi-pro body (if you believe the rumours) has to be built from scratch because Samsung didn't like what Pentax had in mind I've never expected it to be released until Photokina/September '06.
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Sarbu Alexandru-Cristian
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Nope, nothing interesting here. Move on...
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Thanks for posting this. I am a little diappointed to see that the two lenses I would really like to see are not on there - a 200mm and a replacement for the legendary 28-70. I love my Tamron 24-135, but would really like to replace it at some point down the road with a fast, high quality Pentax equivalent.
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cyg
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If you go back to the roadmap, it clearly shows a DA limited pancake in the 60-70 range.
This is quite consistent: 3 FA ltd (31, 43, 77), and 3 DA ltd pancakes (20smtg, 40, 60smtg).
Let's hope Pentax also releases an updated 2006/2007 roadmap at PMA so we have an idea what their next 3 or 4 lenses will be !-)
Reinhard #50659
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They definitely have to update their longer telephotos but I don't think we'll see an update of the FA* 28-70 anytime soon since it isn't that useful on a APS-C DSLR. They have the great 16-45 (which translates approx. to 24-70) and IMO current digital gives you 3 more usable stops anyway. Furthermore it seems to be complicated to build fast zooms of that kind. Nikon's 17-55 f2.8 is rated only average by Thom Hogan (although it's really expensive).
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Ryan Li
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Wait and see. Canon have a 70-200 F/4 L lens and it's very well liked for its great sharpness, colour and contrast, instantaneous focus and most of all, its size and cost - both very easy on the photographer despite the lens' excellent optical qualities.
If Pentax can do the same thing in a smaller, lighter package (DA only perhaps?) it should be a real cracker.
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Ryan Li
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It's not really a benefit of F/4 lenses as such, more like a limitation. If you had an F/2.8 lens you'd be able to choose F/4 should you want more in focus. But with a max F/4 lens you can never choose to have less in focus!
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Cideway
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what the need to do is release a 16-45 f2.8 and a 16-60 F4
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not sure there would be market for these options. An f2.8 16-45 would be 3 times the price of the current f4 version - not economic. Look at the price of the DA 14 f2.8 versus the DA16-45. A wider range zoom is not on the lens roadmap so far so don't expect anything before mid 2007. There are no current DA lenses beyond 200mm so I want someting in this area, maybe a DA300mm f4 - smaller and less expensive than the FA*300 f4.5? Again nothing on the roadmap but nothing in production either. We need a new long lens lineup.
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Gary Martin
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Sure, but your f2.8 lens will be twice the weight, and three times the cost, f4.0 lens. I too wonder why so many Pentax users claim to want glass costing thousands of dollars, and turn their lightweight cameras into hulking machines.
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Exactly - in light of this, I'm perfectly happy with the DA 50-200
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Franka T.L.
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Not because of their roadmap or any technical issue. The issue is simply Pentax failed to deliver product of similar calibre/feature/price bracket for way too long against competetions.
The Lens is fine with me although I would like to see some serious attempt to fulfill customer need and much needed replacement of many of the old FA / FA* lens.
Its the body busisness that disappoint. By the time the supposed Ds replacement ( which I assume would have the 9MP sensor and possibly incorporate the new SR ) It will possibly still be competetive but the price need to be so too which by Pentax market share and production rate I am a bit worried. An *ist-D replacement to be launched Photokina 2006 would be a market disaster. The Canon EOS-20D, NIkon D-200, Fuji S3-PRO and possibly some others would have already have a year or so head start, and without the mass customer base and lens / accessories support. How can Pentax hope to persuade customer to stay or to go with their mid range product.
The *ist-D / DS / DL all share the same chassis, I failed to understand why Pentax cannot just replace the old sensor with the 9MP one and re-programme the inrterface, imaging engine on the D and come up with an intrim Entry/mid end model that sits a bit below the D-200 and 20D and be able to competet. And for sure, if Photokina 2006 got to see a D replacement. I am not seeing any reason how Pentax can boost a sensor / imaging engine that would be up to dat at that moment of time ( I see at least it need a 3rd generation imaging engine in par with Nikon and Canon's and at least 12 MP )
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The Lens is fine with me although I would like to see some serious attempt to fulfill customer need and much needed replacement of many of the old FA / FA* lens.
Its the body busisness that disappoint. By the time the supposed Ds replacement ( which I assume would have the 9MP sensor and possibly incorporate the new SR ) It will possibly still be competetive but the price need to be so too which by Pentax market share and production rate I am a bit worried. An *ist-D replacement to be launched Photokina 2006 would be a market disaster. The Canon EOS-20D, NIkon D-200, Fuji S3-PRO and possibly some others would have already have a year or so head start, and without the mass customer base and lens / accessories support. How can Pentax hope to persuade customer to stay or to go with their mid range product.
The *ist-D / DS / DL all share the same chassis, I failed to understand why Pentax cannot just replace the old sensor with the 9MP one and re-programme the inrterface, imaging engine on the D and come up with an intrim Entry/mid end model that sits a bit below the D-200 and 20D and be able to competet. And for sure, if Photokina 2006 got to see a D replacement. I am not seeing any reason how Pentax can boost a sensor / imaging engine that would be up to dat at that moment of time ( I see at least it need a 3rd generation imaging engine in par with Nikon and Canon's and at least 12 MP )
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Alex Foot
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I really thought Samsung would inject a little more dynamism and take the whole project a little more seriously. I take this info with a grain of salt, but it does have that awfully under-whelming feeling of truth about it.
I guess Pentax is teaming up with them because they can't survive on their own, so it is a little bit unrealistic to expect the effective power of two companies combined, without loss.
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I guess Pentax is teaming up with them because they can't survive on their own, so it is a little bit unrealistic to expect the effective power of two companies combined, without loss.
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Ishpuini
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I'm not sure the customer need for FA/FA* replacements is actually large enough to justify new introduction just yet... If it's only to satisfy the LBA of this forum, the prospect of selling 100 units of each lens will not be very appealing to Pentax... After all, how do we know what the relevant customer need is like? We accuse Pentax of not having a marketing department, but none of us have ever done a serious market survey into the matter, have we?
I think most D owners (not equal to forum members) are still using their cameras, and don't really intend to upgrade so rapidly... Photokina 2006 might be timed for most D users than for us forum gear freaks. :-D
Pentax just does not have the market and the commercial support the others have, so they will not follow the same strategy ever. That would send them bankrupt. As long as they stick to their backward compatibility principle and continue introducing new stuff as gradually as they are, the target customers will be serviced...
I just think that, however much fun it is sharing our wishes on this forum, we are not the representative Pentax customer, so Pentax will never target its strategy on the likes of us...
On the other hand... The only thing I really missed was a wide angle zoom, and now I can choose from TWO (!), I just cannot decide... ;-)
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janneman02
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Owning a FA*28-70/2.8 and a FA*80-200/2.8 I wonder about that too....
But in a strange way these two lenses and the Ds from a perfect combo in my hands for ergonomics and stabilty. Also, if I want to go out with a good zoom it works fine. If I want to go for small size I have the 50 an 35 mm primes and small zooms are the DA18-55 and the sigma 18-125.
That gives you something bigger than a compact but it fits into some of my coat pockets. A while ago I could hold a D70, no way that could fit anywhere small, not even with a pancake (if there is such a thing like a Nkon pancake)
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Mike Muizebelt
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Mouseflame and I both held a D70 two days ago and were very pleased with the size. The DS is too small to hold comfortably (for me especially with a large lens attached). I'm travelling with a camerabag usually so I couldn't care less about Pentax being the smallest out there.
I'll trade the DS any time for a larger Pentax camera. I'm still puzzled why Pentax doesn't make a handstrap option like they did with the Z1-P.
But then, there are more things about Pentax that puzzle me.........
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Brett St Pierre
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Yup, I agree Ryan... at the moment for my travel telezoom I choose between my 1.27kg Sigma 70-200/2.8 EX or my 260 g DA50-200 ----- hmmm, big difference there! Something inbetween would be desireable and Canon users do have that choice at the moment. Given the compact bodies Pentax make, an F/4 would be about right but I don't want it to be 60-250mm -- that is too broad a range to be optically superb IMO...
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