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Fujifilm FinePix F11 - Improved features
• A (aperture priority AE) and S (shutter priority AE) modes
• Improved macro shooting mode for subjects as close as 5cm (F10: 7cm)

• Maximum sensitivity of ISO 800 in movie shooting mode, for bright & clear movies

• High-resolution 153,000-pixel 2.5-inch LCD monitor for optimum clarity and detail
• 256-zones metering enabling more precise AE for a variety of a scene.
• Improved sensitivity/ shutter speed programming for better image quality.
• Faster time required for AF in lower light condition or tele-angle.

Now I'm really getting upset if it's true that they won't be releasing it in the USA or at least offering us USA buyters something in terms of a firmware upgrade for the F10 (some of the features are software improvements).

-V
 
vissa said:
Taken from lets go digital.

Fujifilm FinePix F11 - Improved features
• A (aperture priority AE) and S (shutter priority AE) modes
• Improved macro shooting mode for subjects as close as 5cm (F10: 7cm)
• Maximum sensitivity of ISO 800 in movie shooting mode, for bright
& clear movies
• High-resolution 153,000-pixel 2.5-inch LCD monitor for optimum
clarity and detail
• 256-zones metering enabling more precise AE for a variety of a
scene.
• Improved sensitivity/ shutter speed programming for better image
quality.
• Faster time required for AF in lower light condition or tele-angle.

Now I'm really getting upset if it's true that they won't be
releasing it in the USA or at least offering us USA buyters
something in terms of a firmware upgrade for the F10 (some of the
features are software improvements).
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.... the MOST IMPORTANT of which may be:

Improved sensitivity/ shutter speed programming for better image quality .....

But what does it really mean?

Improved sensitivity/ shutter speed programming for better image quality?

And why was it not in the original news release? Is Fuji still working on the F11's Firmware, and finally listening to what some of us have been saying?

Hopefully,"Improved sensitivity/ shutter speed programming for better image quality" means:

1. A second Auto ISO 2 with a slower/lower shutter speed floor of 1/50s or so for cleaner still images, while keeping the original Auto ISO with a shutter speed floor of 1/100s for anti-blur;

2. Users can select and maintain separate manual ISOs and Auto ISOs under different photo modes.

Fuji should also offer the above as F10 firmware update.
 
Fuji will release the F11 in the U.S. after the inventory of F10's have been sold out. It will be sometime next year, after the big Christmas spending rush. Don't be surprised if sometime during the first few months of 2006 there will be a big discount of F10's that remain on retailer shelves, getting ready for the introduction of the F11.

The problem is that the F10 has been on the market for less then a year, -then to discontinue it fro the F11 so soon is not a good market stratagy.
 
JPG said:
Fuji will release the F11 in the U.S. after the inventory of F10's
have been sold out. It will be sometime next year, after the big
Christmas spending rush. Don't be surprised if sometime during the
first few months of 2006 there will be a big discount of F10's that
remain on retailer shelves, getting ready for the introduction of
the F11.
The problem is that the F10 has been on the market for less then a
year, -then to discontinue it fro the F11 so soon is not a good
market stratagy.
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I'd recommend that Fuji should discontinue the F10 immediately. With the announcement of the F11 few will want the F10. My guess is that many potential customers will choose another brand rather than settle for what obviously is now a product which has been obsoleted by its manufacturer. Acutally, I'm a Canon owner and was considering an F10 as a "take along" camera because of it's high ISO capabilities. Now I'll either wait for the F11 or choose something else. You're right in one regard, Fuji really made a marketing error in not bringing out the F11 in the first place and then they compound the error and kill Christmas sales by announcing the F11. Go figure.

Jim
 
'cause while folks might wait for F10 supplies to run low, Fuji will do something ridiculous like introduce the F12 which might be black this time around. Geeezzzzz, what a slap in the face. I love my F10, but this is getting ridiculous - what were they thinking?

Regards,

Ben

 
Ben Herrmann said:
'cause while folks might wait for F10 supplies to run low, Fuji
will do something ridiculous like introduce the F12 which might be
black this time around. Geeezzzzz, what a slap in the face. I
love my F10, but this is getting ridiculous - what were they
thinking?
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Didn't Panasonic do something similar with the FX7-9 series? In about one years time the following releases occurred:

FX7- released in US, good but had battery life problems

FX8- fixed the battery issue, and added other improvements, but not released in US. Mad scramble by folks to buy them overseas. FX7 owners upset.

FX9 - an FX8 with more resolution, released in US, just a few months after the FX8. FX8 owners upset.

So it may be wise and wait and see if Fuji brings an F11 successor over here.
 
At least it seems that Fuji is listening to people when it comes to cameras. It is not like the F10 is a bad camera or anything. I would rather have a company that listens to thier customers than ignoring them, even if it means the S9000 I am about to buy is bettered in a year by an S9100. Sucks that I bought the S9000, but it makes the camera any worse.
 
Vissa,

Chances are there will be no firmware upgrade available for F10, beacuse, a firmware upgrade can easily converts a F10 to F11 (Panasonic had made similar offer before to its AUTO only FZ1, which allows AP & SP manual controls, the ugrade is about US$50, only available in Japan. Later on they offered the FZ2, which has the mentioned manual controls, after a while they released the FZ3 to replace the short life FZ2).

I guess FUJI wants people to buy new cameras instead of firmware upgrade, because they are conservative Japanese company, and they had already invested a lots in tooling for manufacturing F11.

BR,

Danny
 
I think (based only on my pretty bad memory) that the FZ2 was actually released before the FZ! firmware upgrade. Additionally, this is the only time ever, that I can recall, that a camera manufacturer did this (provide a firmware upgrade with pretty much all the features of a new camera).

The lesson is, when you buy a camera, you should plan to own that camera until you buy a new one. Don't expect any firmware upgrades at all (other than an occasional bug-fix). Then you will not be disappointed.

-barry
danny_only said:
Vissa,

Chances are there will be no firmware upgrade available for F10,
beacuse, a firmware upgrade can easily converts a F10 to F11
(Panasonic had made similar offer before to its AUTO only FZ1,
which allows AP & SP manual controls, the ugrade is about US$50,
only available in Japan. Later on they offered the FZ2, which has
the mentioned manual controls, after a while they released the FZ3
to replace the short life FZ2).

I guess FUJI wants people to buy new cameras instead of firmware
upgrade, because they are conservative Japanese company, and they
had already invested a lots in tooling for manufacturing F11.

BR,

Danny
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danny_only said:
Vissa,

Chances are there will be no firmware upgrade available for F10,
beacuse, a firmware upgrade can easily converts a F10 to F11
(Panasonic had made similar offer before to its AUTO only FZ1,
which allows AP & SP manual controls, the ugrade is about US$50,
only available in Japan. Later on they offered the FZ2, which has
the mentioned manual controls, after a while they released the FZ3
to replace the short life FZ2).

I guess FUJI wants people to buy new cameras instead of firmware
upgrade, because they are conservative Japanese company, and they
had already invested a lots in tooling for manufacturing F11.
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The smart thing to do would be to provide the firmware upgrade on a no cost or even low cost basis (say $20 or so) shortly after the F11 hits the store shelves. The customers would feel that Fuji actually cared about them given the newness of the F10, it wouldn't really impact sales of the F11 and it would rapidly clear the shelves of existing F10 inventory. Fuji has an opportunity to take a misstep and turn it into a positive....if they're smart enough to do it. As an aside, I'm very interested in the F11 and will likely purchase one. If the F10 could be upgraded with new firmware I'd simply purchase that one now.

Jim
 
Are you saying that if I need a camera right away, and was going to buy the F10, that Fuji could make it just like the F11 with just SOFTWARE?
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Joanz
 
Hi,

I don't think there will be any firmware upgrade available for the F10.

Panasonic could make very good money and generated good company image by selling firmware upgrades globally, but they did not offer the firmware outside Japan, for more details please visit the PANA forum, there are lots of threads complaining the lack of firmware upgrade outside Japan.

I knew some people had donated about the same amount of money (firmware about US$50, good money when comparaing the cost of DC with firmware) to charity organizations for EACH of THIS UPGRADE. Just to use the upgraded FZ1 with a clean conscience.

If F10 is a Kodak product, then the chances of having PAID upgrade is higher, but for Japanese companies, the chances is slim. Given the high speed of product development and product life-cycle, it is difficult for them to offer paid or free upgrade.

Better wait for the F11.

BR,

Danny
 
Thank you Danny, that was very helpful. It sounds like I will have to order it from a different country since it is not coming to the USA.
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Joanz
 
I agree with Ben - almost willing to bet money on a soon-to-be released F12 in the US .... this sounds EXACTLY like what Panasonic did with FX7/8/9 ... they might be "sharing" the camera marketing/milking manual
Ben Herrmann said:
'cause while folks might wait for F10 supplies to run low, Fuji
will do something ridiculous like introduce the F12 which might be
black this time around. Geeezzzzz, what a slap in the face. I
love my F10, but this is getting ridiculous - what were they
thinking?

Regards,

Ben

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I've seen posts claiming the F11 is coming in November. It is available in the UK but I don't seem to be able to find the price. So IS it coming to the US in November? And how does the price (anywhere) compare with the US. Also, where could I buy it now? The UK link doesn't seem to have stores available to US buyers.
 
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