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Name-calling? Gross misrepresentation?

Artichoke, you ought to reigjnh in your boy Dillon James....he's acting quite the way you describe--prone to name-calling and gross misrepresentations. And by the way, last night's football game would have been a total DISASTER without the D2x. ANd I mean a disaster. I got five good opportunities,and even with CAM2000 autofocus and a $4,699 300mm f/2.8 AFS-II Nikkor lens, the focusing on fast,unpredictable action was not as good as I would have hoped. I also took the D70 for its pretty good ISO 1600, but the viewfinder image is too low-magnification to see well.
Typical exposures last night? ISO 3200 at f/2.8 at 1/400 to 1/500.
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Happy Shooting!
Derrel
Fu-ji EssWun(on extended loan),EssTu,Nik-On
DeeSvnD,DWun,DTuEx. And a E-Ohs TwunT-D
 
Dillon,

You are a total dpreview JUNKIE. I am sick and tired of your personal assaults on me,newbie. Last week I told you how tyou could GREATLY improve your weak technical skills by using a polarizing filter when you try and do outdoor fill-flash. ANd,of course, NO thanks from you.

You are a distrurbuing little poster Dillon James....you've racked up 700 posts in two months and are simpyl ALL OVER these forums. You really are very,very,very weal photographically. You need to spend more time reading and learning and less time worrying about me.
I am tired of your personal slanders Dillon. Back off. Okay newbie?
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Happy Shooting!
Derrel
Fu-ji EssWun(on extended loan),EssTu,Nik-On
DeeSvnD,DWun,DTuEx. And a E-Ohs TwunT-D
 
sounds like a tough night!

I would have to have resorted to zone focus in manual, which is always dicey when using open apertures
glad you got some keepers
I doubt I have any influence on what other members post, nor should I
name calling and rumination aren't useful from anyone

I hope we all can work towards making this a happier & more productive place and still keep our edge ...we are senior members of this forum and I think respect one another (but I can only speak for myself)

there is a lot of good information from some pretty savvy folks posted here and I know we all wish to further our photography
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pbase & dpreview supporter
Fuji SLRT forum member since 5/2001
http://www.pbase.com/artichoke
 
This is how I size you up Derrel.

You are very frustrated person these days. Since a few vouch for you as actually having been a resource to the group in the past, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume this is a recent thing for you.

You try to spread your misery. People like Lisa, myself, Artichoke and others, we enjoy our S3's. I for one don't go around dissing other people's cameras, especially on their forums.

The only people I have taken to insulting are the ones that drop in for a quick hit,(an insult,) and then run, i.e. Fotomat.

There is a reason that I have an S3 rather than the other half dozen I could be using right now.

I don't feel the need to be reminding the people on the Canon group why I'm not shooting with an 20D. The same for the D70 or D2X on the Nikon group. Or the stD on the Pentax group.

I don't make LONG lists of the negative posts of these cameras.

Insult my photography? Fine, if you feel you need to, I hope it makes you feel better. Evidentally you need something. Perhaps when I get some time I'll scan my 4x5's 6x7's and 645's and post them. But so far, nothing I have posted was intended to display photographic skill. Simply technical aspects, like noise, dynamic range etc.

What I find interesting is, one post sends you off the wall. I've seen people here bear all sorts of name-calling. Fujinista, Fanboy, clown.

And one little 'Nikonista" from me, (along with a smiley,) and you go into one of your long negative tirades on the S3. Too funny.

Regarding some of the other morons here. Wingnut, the boy with toys. I've never met him, but I've met so many like him. A boy with toys. Has to have the latest and greatest. That's where his sense of ego boosting comes from. You got a 4MP camera? He needs an 6. You got 8, he needs 16. He won't feel comfortable without more, faster, bigger. And of course, part of the boost he gets is from coming in and reminding you what he has, and how much better it is. Funniest thing is watching his reaction to the 5D. He has already insulted the entire group interested in the Canon 5D. He clearly feels threatened. He's running out of toy-running-room. Only 4MP seperating himself from the crowd. LOL.

The Satori guy. Likes to use his self-promoted credentials to put others down. Clearly another "Frustratorato," he seems to be frustrated that there are actually people satisfied with their cameras, (and themselves for that matter.)

Oh, and about my technical skills. Since 1982, I've shot with 35mm through 4x5. A few of the cameras I owned over the years. OM2, OM 3 and 4T. Nikon F3. Pentax 6x7, 645, Rollei SL66E. Sinar 4x5. And all the accesories, flash meters, etc.

From techpan to producing my own cibas, I've done it all. I just don't feel the to tell the world.

And about my being a dpreview junkie. I could care less what you think. Just another name being called by the "Frustratoratos."

I own and run a successful business, and much of my day, (and sometimes my night,) I'm on this box. Odds are I could buy and sell all three of you 5 times over.

But money doesn't make you happy. Neither do cameras.

I hope you learn that...
Dillon,
You are a total dpreview JUNKIE. I am sick and tired of your
personal assaults on me,newbie. Last week I told you how tyou could
GREATLY improve your weak technical skills by using a polarizing
filter when you try and do outdoor fill-flash. ANd,of course, NO
thanks from you.
You are a distrurbuing little poster Dillon James....you've racked
up 700 posts in two months and are simpyl ALL OVER these forums.
You really are very,very,very weal photographically. You need to
spend more time reading and learning and less time worrying about
me.
I am tired of your personal slanders Dillon. Back off. Okay newbie?
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Happy Shooting!
Derrel
Fu-ji EssWun(on extended loan),EssTu,Nik-On
DeeSvnD,DWun,DTuEx. And a E-Ohs TwunT-D
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The dynamic range of color negative film! Straight out of camera, no additional processing! Here:

l http://www.pbase.com/dillonjames/image/48536720/original
 
You try to spread your misery. People like Lisa, myself, Artichoke
and others, we enjoy our S3's. I for one don't go around dissing
other people's cameras, especially on their forums.
Injoying it and saying spreading untruths is something else.
The only people I have taken to insulting are the ones that drop in
for a quick hit,(an insult,) and then run, i.e. Fotomat.
I just call it like I see it.. and have the balls to say it
I'm right here what is it you wanted to say to me?

If you can't see why there a division in the fourm then that's your fault. It ends up the professionals are trying to tell you something and you take it personal thinking you made the wrong camera choice or that it was a stupid choice .. as they say in therapy thats you saying that.. you say your a photographer .. SAY.. wheres you "pudding" cuz the proff in it and it looks like you got none. The others that enjoy there cameras have something to show. not you
But money doesn't make you happy.
Odds are I could buy and sell all three of you 5 times over.
Bragging about money.. who can't see though that? please....
I hope you learn that...
what have you learned? or better yet how have you helped .. anyone here or for that matter on any of these boards? You just comment on gear.. do us a favor and get a different hobbie ... hobbiest

Fotomat
 
Dillon ( or James ? :-)
Dillon.
Over the past few years, Derrel has been an amazing source of
knowledge and help to FSLR forum members, despite his frequent
perceived zingers :-) . . .
So I've heard.
You probably would not have the time to go back through his posts
over the years, but some of his actions to help others here have been
absolutely unique, for which members have been grateful.

Yes, he can irritate and be crusty, but it's been a lot of fun :-)

You made a fine choice of camera for YOUR needs.
Derrel also has HIS photographic needs. Obviously his needs are
different
Of course. The difference is I don't feel the need to criticize ANYBODIES choice in a camera. You will never see me create and post a long list of negatives about a camera, and CERTAINLY never do it on a forum where there are owners of that camera. Didn't we ALL learn how to 'play nice' when we were children? Evidently not.
from yours. Each camera-owner has his/her own unique needs and
satisfactions, but we all share common joys in shooting.

You have been one of the most active dp posters I have ever seen,
thanks for all your useful contributions, ( compared to your own
zingers :-)
I hope I can be helpful. Thanks.

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The dynamic range of color negative film! Straight out of camera, no additional processing! Here:

l http://www.pbase.com/dillonjames/image/48536720/original
 
You try to spread your misery. People like Lisa, myself, Artichoke
and others, we enjoy our S3's. I for one don't go around dissing
other people's cameras, especially on their forums.
Injoying it and saying spreading untruths is something else.
The only people I have taken to insulting are the ones that drop in
for a quick hit,(an insult,) and then run, i.e. Fotomat.
I just call it like I see it.. and have the balls to say it
I'm right here what is it you wanted to say to me?
Without having met you, I'd guess you are a punk.
If you can't see why there a division in the fourm then that's your
fault. It ends up the professionals are trying to tell you
something and you take it personal thinking you made the wrong
camera choice or that it was a stupid choice .. as they say in
therapy thats you saying that.. you say your a photographer ..
SAY.. wheres you "pudding" cuz the proff in it and it looks like
you got none. The others that enjoy there cameras have something to
show. not you
But money doesn't make you happy.
Odds are I could buy and sell all three of you 5 times over.
Bragging about money.. who can't see though that? please....
I hope you learn that...
what have you learned? or better yet how have you helped .. anyone
here or for that matter on any of these boards? You just comment on
gear.. do us a favor and get a different hobbie ... hobbiest

Fotomat
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The dynamic range of color negative film! Straight out of camera, no additional processing! Here:

l http://www.pbase.com/dillonjames/image/48536720/original
 
But money doesn't make you happy.
Odds are I could buy and sell all three of you 5 times over.
Bragging about money.. who can't see though that? please....
nothing strange Fotomat, on the contrary I see a lot of consistency in the personality of this individual.

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Regards
Gabriele
California, CA
 
But money doesn't make you happy.
Odds are I could buy and sell all three of you 5 times over.
Bragging about money.. who can't see though that? please....
nothing strange Fotomat, on the contrary I see a lot of consistency
in the personality of this individual.
Coming from the braggadocio himself. LOL.

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The dynamic range of color negative film! Straight out of camera, no additional processing! Here:

l http://www.pbase.com/dillonjames/image/48536720/original
 
(SNIP)
for a quick hit,(an insult,) and then run, i.e. Fotomat.
I just call it like I see it.. and have the balls to say it
I'm right here what is it you wanted to say to me?
Without having met you, I'd guess you are a punk.
Who is revving up all the aggro here?
Hint: it's a DJ.

It's you, Dillon, who is continually provoking, all & sundry, with derisive comments like this. Insulting people with credentials... when you have yet shown none.

Do a google on Gabriele Sartori (hint: AMD), & get to know who the guy is. He know what he's talking about.

Take a look at Derrel's credentials: his tremendous help he has given over the years on this forum, & better still: his pbase site with hundreds & hundreds of examples.

These two people, being VERY knowledgeable, (rightly) feel that they have to respond when inaccurate (or even completely nonsensical) statements are made about photography, technology, & equipment.

You, OTOH, Dillon, simply insult. I suggest that you respond to posts that you don't agree with, with arguments instead of insults & personal attacks.

Dillon, I appreciate your comments that we all should try to make this forum a better place: but if there is anybody who should make the first step, then that definitely is YOU.

All this useless bragging about money (I could buy...) puts you in the same league as the very same person you despise (wing88/GMD).... for the very same reasons YOU quoted. Don't fall into that trap.

Dillon, you get mad too easily. (..& you have the cheek to advise others to take their meds...:). Calm down, let's get back to a civil discussion. (please take this as friendly advice, don't flare up.)

BTW: Dillon et al: this is NOT the Fuji S3 forum.

This is the Fuji SLR talk Forum. Open to discussion on ALL fuji cameras, to all Fuji camera owners....... & to anyone who wants to politely post.

take care....& keep sharing your S3 acptures with us. Your new sig pic link is definitely food for thought bout the capabilities of the S3....in the hands of an equally capable photographer!

regards,
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'Does Phil live on this planet, or is he on his way here?'
(subtitle line in obscure 70s Indian movie :)
 
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'Does Phil live on this planet, or is he on his way here?'
(subtitle line in obscure 70s Indian movie :)
 
that no other camera on the planet, not even your beloved canons could have gotten those pics.
--
Kodachrome, they give us those nice bright colours
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world’s a sunny day, oh yeah
I got a nikon camera, I love to take a photograph
 
(SNIP)
for a quick hit,(an insult,) and then run, i.e. Fotomat.
I just call it like I see it.. and have the balls to say it
I'm right here what is it you wanted to say to me?
Without having met you, I'd guess you are a punk.
Who is revving up all the aggro here?
Hint: it's a DJ.

It's you, Dillon, who is continually provoking, all & sundry, with
derisive comments like this. Insulting people with credentials...
when you have yet shown none.
Look at the Subject line in this thread. Follow my posts in it. Observe when it first started to get ugly. You'll learn alot.
Do a google on Gabriele Sartori (hint: AMD), & get to know who the
guy is. He know what he's talking about.
LOL. I don't care if Bill Gates was posting the one liners here. Sartori is no differnt than the wingnut or derrel. Three people not confident enough in themselves to just walk away from a post they don't agree with, particulary regarding a camera that they don't own. Their level of frustration with the S3 posts says volumes about their states of mind. All slightly different, but volumes nonetheless.
Take a look at Derrel's credentials: his tremendous help he has
given over the years on this forum, & better still: his pbase site
with hundreds & hundreds of examples.
I said I give him the benefit of the doubt as to his helpfulness to the forum. Now here's a suggestion of how he could continue that legacy. Leave his laundry list of S3 negatives home. It's actually quite funny. The FIRST negative comment I posted in this thread was a joke regarding the "Nikoniistas," in a way borrowed from the three muskateers themselves. Then, I guess as retribution, Derrel whips out his S3 laundry list from his back pocket.
These two people, being VERY knowledgeable, (rightly) feel that
they have to respond when inaccurate (or even completely
nonsensical) statements are made about photography, technology, &
equipment.
No, you are incorrect. What they are responding to is a matter of opinion. In fact, find me one thing that isn't? Sartori immodestly throws around his credentials to 'prove' his point, but in fact, nothing, not even the issue regarding 14bit output, has been decided, one way or another.
You, OTOH, Dillon, simply insult. I suggest that you respond to
posts that you don't agree with, with arguments instead of insults
& personal attacks.
No, that's not true. What I generally do here is express my pleasure with what I have decided to own. That irritates the h-e-ll out of a few here. One of them thought he would kust pop in and throw an insult me, and rather than respond in the way he wanted, I thought it humourus to mix things up with a 'mom joke."
Dillon, I appreciate your comments that we all should try to make
this forum a better place: but if there is anybody who should make
the first step, then that definitely is YOU.
Again. Read this thread. See the subject line. Read my posts closely. See where the divergence started and by whom.
All this useless bragging about money (I could buy...) puts you in
the same league as the very same person you despise
(wing88/GMD).... for the very same reasons YOU quoted. Don't fall
into that trap.
"All this" bragging? It was one line. One line in several hundred posts.
Dillon, you get mad too easily. (..& you have the cheek to advise
others to take their meds...:). Calm down, let's get back to a
civil discussion. (please take this as friendly advice, don't flare
up.)
No problem.

Let me summarize what I think is happening here, the general dynamic. Basically, Satori, Wing, Derrel, and maybe one or two others have pronounced the S3 dead. And this is supposed to be the graveyard, their graveyard. Artichoke, myself, Lisa, and some others, we actually have the audacity to like the camera. To enjoy using it. I truly think it bothers them.

Hey musketeers. The corpse is stirring!
BTW: Dillon et al: this is NOT the Fuji S3 forum.

This is the Fuji SLR talk Forum. Open to discussion on ALL fuji
cameras, to all Fuji camera owners....... & to anyone who wants to
politely post.

take care....& keep sharing your S3 acptures with us. Your new sig
pic link is definitely food for thought bout the capabilities of
the S3....in the hands of an equally capable photographer!

regards,
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'Does Phil live on this planet, or is he on his way here?'
(subtitle line in obscure 70s Indian movie :)
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The dynamic range of color negative film! Straight out of camera, no additional processing! Here:

l http://www.pbase.com/dillonjames/image/48536720/original
 
Unbelievable! ! It's like a photographic version of "Survivor" (a Tawdry American reality show), without the cute girls in bathing suit tops.
Henry F. Smith
Http: www.glensummitimages.com
 
Sartori is no differnt than the wingnut or derrel. Three people not
confident enough in themselves to just walk away from a post they
don't agree with, particulary regarding a camera that they don't
own. Their level of frustration with the S3 posts says volumes
about their states of mind. All slightly different, but volumes
nonetheless.
Here Dillon I will comment on this. I have read a lot of your posts and the others. While I have not been here forever, I have been here 2 years. It has given me a little be more insite into the men. i know none of will need me to stand for them, but here I think you are in the wrong due to not being here.

Gabe has never been a S3 hater, it may seem like it, but no. He has called some peoples comments about the S3. He has critisized Fuji for not stepping up to the bar, or even getting close to it. As much as I like Fuji, my S2 and am looking at the S3, he is right. Gabe has praised the S3 and the pics it takes, but it could have been so much more.

Derrel comes across as arrogent. he does know his stuff and if one listens can learn a lot. I have really startedto call on some of his constant comments about the S3. If he does buy it when the price gets to $1500 I really want to hear his comments after a few weeks. I give this to him, of all the people that siad it cost to much, Ill buy at $1500. He is the only one that has said its close enough for him to think about it again. I do not like that he had with so many people even me told us what equiptment we have used and have not.

wing88 tested the S3 for his needs. he really tested it, not a review but a real world test, his needs test. he spend a lot of time testing it, real thurough and nice write ups. after a few more people bought them and made comments, he went back and did it again, just to make sure. the best comment i like of all his postings on the S3 "I really wanted it (S3) to work for me in the studio, but it doesnt do it, its to slow. Thus I will keep my S2 for the studio."

you may be sparring for no real reason. I have learned so much camera techno garbage from everyone here, even these 3. You may have noticed that I am always thinking forward. I bounce ideads off of people, just to keep me thinking.

Now for everyone involved here I am sorry I posted a few private and personal criticisms, but i felt it was needed. If I have offended anyone above, I am sorry it was not my intent. At some point someone has to say enough is enough.
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Kodachrome, they give us those nice bright colours
They give us the greens of summers
Makes you think all the world’s a sunny day, oh yeah
I got a nikon camera, I love to take a photograph
 
I don't know - never mind Khan and Calzaghe, we have the FSLRT pugilists (pugilistas?) slugging it out, low blows and all.

To my mind the bout is (in the blue corner) The Objective vs (in the red corner) The Subjective. And guess what, there can never be a winner; no tool is ever all things to all men and there will always be some aspect that is better in an alternative.

Then there are the supporters of the two camps - based upon how closely their own findings match the reviews. Some of these supporters applaud the virtues of each contestant and continue to enjoy the benefits their purchase brings them (for their own individual reasons), and some find that too difficult ... and climb into the ring.

Trouble is, like so much television, this is just another repeat. I'm looking forward to the S4 and we can all start again!!!

Colin S. (very happy S2 user)
 
Thanks (& sincere congrats) on the calm reply.....

..but...

....do try to keep yourself this way in ALL posts.

Don't let yourself fall into the level you yourself (rightly or wrongly)accuse other people of.

Example:

Don't call another person names, however silly that person or his post/s seem to you. eg: bragadaccio, frustratorio, etc.
(I used to be guilty of this as well....I'm trying to change)

One more point Dillon:

once again: this forum is dedicated to discussing Fuji cameras. That includes their demerits as well as their merits.

Eg: I'm a fuji user myself, & consider the S2pro to be a very good tool. I have tried & tried & tried & tried to like the S3.

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Here is my opinion about the S3, its design, & fujifilm. YMMV....but I still have a right to share my experiences & opinions, haven't I?

I said I tried "to like" the S3. One of my colleagues uses the S3, & I have plenty of experience shooting with the S3 (as with the D2x, 20d, 1D2, 1Ds2...)

And that experience was always a very disheartening one. Sloooooow interface, sloooow writing to CF tiny RAW buffer are all not only unacceptable in 2005 (even by early 2004 standards) but UNFORGIVEABLE. Some heads should roll at Fujifilm Japan.

I do think IQ is very good in some areas....not as good as Arti & others make it to be, but good.

But the S3 has some serious workflow issues that make it unacceptable for me (besides those issues that I consider unforgiveable).

HOWEVER: I understand that others might have different views & experiences than mine, & are willing to work along with the limitations of the S3.

I appreciate that, & enjoy sharing & viewing their images from this camera.
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Wasn't that a healthy sharing/airing of my views on this subject? I feel I shouldn't be slammed for airing my views, especially as I tried to present them in a sensible manner, not making any wild assertions to substantiate otherwise valid points.

I didn't try to dis the S3, or people who use it.

I simply tried to realte my experiences.....YMMV, but I have a right to do that.

regards,
C_M

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'Does Phil live on this planet, or is he on his way here?'
(subtitle line in obscure 70s Indian movie :)
 

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