Tomasz Radon
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hm... Is it the same french site which "rolled out Canon plans" a few weekes ago anoncing EOS D3? I couldn't find that old thread but I remember that it was also a french site.
Just a thought
Thomas
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Canon roll out plan???
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Just a thought
Thomas
Hammy #54417
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Here are some other sites of info:
http://eosseries.ifrance.com/eosseries/lenscanon/news_en.htm
and at yahoo:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eos1v
specifically:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eos1v/message/2423
and
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eos1v/message/2420
...
http://eosseries.ifrance.com/eosseries/lenscanon/news_en.htm
and at yahoo:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eos1v
specifically:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eos1v/message/2423
and
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eos1v/message/2420
...
hm... Is it the same french site which "rolled out Canon plans" a
few weekes ago anoncing EOS D3? I couldn't find that old thread but
I remember that it was also a french site.
Just a thought
Thomas
The Vilnius Schoolmaster
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No, I think this is wishful thinking. That would totally, canabolize their Pro9x and G2 sales. Why would most people buy either of these if they could have "the new D30" for slightly more... outside of the P&S crowd, which generally aren't attracted to the G1/Pro90 cameras anyways, it doesn't make that much business sense.
VSM
DavidP #28649
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I see your concern. However, the SLR will always require additional costs for lenses, and they're quite bulky by comparison.
Believe it or not, many people (if not MOST) would prefer the P&S cameras. Why else do they buy a $200 - $300 P&S instead of a Rebel body?
NOTE: I am by no means accepting these rumors as true. But it'd sure usher in the digital age in a very big way, I think, if they're true.
Believe it or not, many people (if not MOST) would prefer the P&S cameras. Why else do they buy a $200 - $300 P&S instead of a Rebel body?
NOTE: I am by no means accepting these rumors as true. But it'd sure usher in the digital age in a very big way, I think, if they're true.
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Kai Pin47209
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Bravo!! Congratulations!! Right on target!!
For being the second person (I was the first one back in January) to officially guess the correct designation for the most eagerly-awaited pro digital SLR so far ...
Although I have reasons to believe that Canon didn't know what to name it initially and probably decided to follow my idea-of-the-moment suggestion.
So when can all of us be able to see or get our hands on one? No idea. Like I have mentioned somewhere else, anytime between now and Thanksgiving OR the next few weeks should confirm which is the truth and what are just plain rumours on what have been posted here for the past 12 months.
Kai Pin
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While I think it is wishful thinking for a lot of reasons I don't think interference with the G2 is one of them. The G2 is a (largish) "compact" point and shoot camera. A D7 would be a SLR. In the film world there is a fair amount of price overlap between the SLRs and compact cameras. I don't see why it wouldn't happen here.
The Pro90 is more problematic. Even though the Pro90 isn't a SLR, it is styled like one, and likely appeals to the same sort of people. Of corse the price difference between the Pro90 and a D7 plus a lens in the same range as the Pro90 may be a viable market. Or the Pro90 may be sacrificed in order to put Canon in the total lead of the digital SLR entry level market.
My gut feel is there won't be a $1000 Canon EOS digital SLR real soon, but I don't have anything really strong to base that on. After all the price on complex electronics "should" be cut by half over 18 months, so if most of the D30's cost is electronics that says there should be a $1500 EOS SLR soon, but somehow I just don't see it. I see a much improved camera replacing the D30 (at about the same price as the D30!) as the non-pro digital EOS, or a low-end pro digital EOS, and I definitely see models above it, but for some reason I have a hard time thinking there should be some below it just now.
Of corse Canon did introduce the D30 as a new niche below the D1, maybe they will do it again. I'm not counting it out, or even saying people are dumb for thinking it, just that my gut says no, not yet.
While this would the camera I would very much like to own, I must
say that at 60 thousand French Francs I would no longer consider it.
If this price prediction is true then it's back to Hassie for me and for the next few years if not
forever in my case.
rotohr
Why would Canon mark up a digital camera above $5,000 when the Nikon D1H is under $4,000? Especially if they want to keep competing in the sports and news industry?They are not that stupid! Why don't we just sit back and wait to see what they come out with, after all this is just speculation and word of mouth from other sources.Are we that greedy and unhappy w/ our lives we have to keep filling it with more and bigger toys?
JC
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Thank you! I've thought (for almost as long as you have) that was the only logical designation, but logic does not often win out in marketing. After all, there is no similarity between the D30 and the EOS 30 (which is probably the best value for the money in film cameras).Bravo!! Congratulations!! Right on target!!
For being the second person (I was the first one back in January)
to officially guess the correct designation for the most
eagerly-awaited pro digital SLR so far ...
BTW, I noticed in one of your postings on the Yahoo site that you said the "V" in EOS 1V refers to "Vision." My understanding was that it refers to the camera being the fifth generation of Canon pro SLR's (the F1, F1N, EOS 1 and EOS 1N being the first four). In any event, let's bring on the next generation!
JC
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Canon has a brochure with all the technical data on the EOS 1V. In that brochure CanonThank you! I've thought (for almost as long as you have) that wasBravo!! Congratulations!! Right on target!!
For being the second person (I was the first one back in January)
to officially guess the correct designation for the most
eagerly-awaited pro digital SLR so far ...
the only logical designation, but logic does not often win out in
marketing. After all, there is no similarity between the D30 and
the EOS 30 (which is probably the best value for the money in film
cameras).
BTW, I noticed in one of your postings on the Yahoo site that you
said the "V" in EOS 1V refers to "Vision." My understanding was
that it refers to the camera being the fifth generation of Canon
pro SLR's (the F1, F1N, EOS 1 and EOS 1N being the first four). In
any event, let's bring on the next generation!
JC
refers to the V as vision, and mentions nothing of a 5th generation camera. Actually
if you consider the history of the EOS line it's only the 3rd generation.
Kai Pin47209
Well-known member
I agree. It is probabaly a case of Canon not knowing what to name the D30 in the first place and simply put a "D" to it, taking a cue on the analog EOS 30 although specifications-wise, they are poles apart.
Yes, the "V" does stand for fifth but Canon also want another meaning to it. Among those considered were Visual, Visualized, Vibrant and Vision before finally settling for Vision.
Kai Pin
Bernd Eller
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Hi all,Yes, the "V" does stand for fifth but Canon also want another
meaning to it. Among those considered were Visual, Visualized,
Vibrant and Vision before finally settling for Vision.
Kai Pin
when the German magazine COLOR FOTO portrayed the new 1V in its March 2000 issue, they wrote as follows:
"Canon gives three explanations for the "V". It stands for Vision, Vanguard and Vertex. Read as Roman numerals, the "V" indicates the fifth generation of the pro EOS."
Bernd
Mike Becker
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Here is a thought. 1V stands for 4 as in EOS 4 the follower of the EOS 3?
(Roman V = 5, 1V = 5-1 = 4) I know its not and 'I' but..........
How about EOS 5D for the new camera? Maybe EOS VD. VD meaning EOS 5 Digital with a Victory Day slant ( it finally came out, or it will be the leader..), not VD the other meaning although Nikon folks might like that.
(Roman V = 5, 1V = 5-1 = 4) I know its not and 'I' but..........
How about EOS 5D for the new camera? Maybe EOS VD. VD meaning EOS 5 Digital with a Victory Day slant ( it finally came out, or it will be the leader..), not VD the other meaning although Nikon folks might like that.
from the name, it look to me more like software pulled,
like the Kodak DCS can go to 6400 and 25600 with software
JC
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Bernd and Kai Pin,
Thank you both for the informationl. It's nice when we all can be right! ;-)
MIchael,
You're also right -- the EOS 1V is the the third generation of the EOS line.
But Canon considers the EOS 1V to be the fifth generation of its pro SLR's. In addition to the information supplied by Kai and Bernd, check out the movie clip to the following Canon EOS 1V link: http://www.canon.com/eos/index2.html . There Canon refers to the previous four generations of the "1" series:
"In 1971, Canon introduced the F-1, it's first flagship professional SLR.
The F-1 was followed by the New F-1, the EOS-1, and the EOS-1N. . . .
Canon's "1" series has remained the choice of discerning professionals everywhere. Now the latest "1" series camera has arrived.
In the finest tradition of the "1" series, Canon's new EOS-1V."
JC
Thank you both for the informationl. It's nice when we all can be right! ;-)
MIchael,
You're also right -- the EOS 1V is the the third generation of the EOS line.
But Canon considers the EOS 1V to be the fifth generation of its pro SLR's. In addition to the information supplied by Kai and Bernd, check out the movie clip to the following Canon EOS 1V link: http://www.canon.com/eos/index2.html . There Canon refers to the previous four generations of the "1" series:
"In 1971, Canon introduced the F-1, it's first flagship professional SLR.
The F-1 was followed by the New F-1, the EOS-1, and the EOS-1N. . . .
Canon's "1" series has remained the choice of discerning professionals everywhere. Now the latest "1" series camera has arrived.
In the finest tradition of the "1" series, Canon's new EOS-1V."
JC
Hi all,Yes, the "V" does stand for fifth but Canon also want another
meaning to it. Among those considered were Visual, Visualized,
Vibrant and Vision before finally settling for Vision.
Kai Pin
when the German magazine COLOR FOTO portrayed the new 1V in its
March 2000 issue, they wrote as follows:
"Canon gives three explanations for the "V". It stands for Vision,
Vanguard and Vertex. Read as Roman numerals, the "V" indicates the
fifth generation of the pro EOS."
Bernd
I don't think the plastic body of EOS300 (rebel) cost more than that of the G2 (magnesium alloy).
The higher cost of the CCD and the rest of digital part could be cancel off with the lens of the G2 or Pro90 .
so if we exclude the cost of research (doubtly any higher), the D70 is no more costly to make than an G2 or pro90!
sollentuna58
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Apparently the EOS D1v has already been tested by several pro in France. Two photographers were also using it at the Spa F1 Grand Prix. Some of their colleagues noticed the new cameras. The testers didn't reveal anything but seemed very satisfied with their new tools...
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DavidP #28649
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sigh.
You'd think a photographer noticing it would KNOW that picture of it would sell like hotcakes!
You'd think a photographer noticing it would KNOW that picture of it would sell like hotcakes!
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