Pekka's D30 Gallery

Pekka Saarinen said:

Dave said:

Forbidden fruit said:

Somewhat of a different style i think. Many more people, less still
life. Much better use of depth of field. Nice - but i personally
prefer the G1 images. Shows its not the technology but how the
photographer uses it

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That seems to be it. Rather than being inspired and working at the
shots he's just taking pics and relying on the camera. Really just
reminds me of any number of galleries of holiday snaps.

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Oh "dave" (or should I say Neil), I'm honored how you went through
the trouble of registering to this forum with a fake email address
just to comment on my galleries (only 4 posts you ever made on this
site).

You know what, there ARE a lot of "holiday snaps" in my gallery.
There are also a lot of works with are results of assignments as an
fast working event photographer. That's how it should be - real
life composed on CCD, fast shooting and capturing living moments in
available light (variation of expression which would be impossible
to handle with any compact camera).

Relying on a camera is something you can do with D30 (one of the
reasons for leaving G1) - but a camera is a tool, not a device
which instructs you on seeing. I wish some sense would come to
these forums (same thing with Canon, Olympus and Sony): you seem to
think a better camera gives you better pictures. You don't make a
difference between technical quality of a photo and quality of a
photo, or photographic elements and how space is used and how light
is used and how colors are used. It's all technical to you (pixels,
CCD, burst rate) and that's why we don't see real photography
discussions here - this is like tomshardware.com of photography.
How easy photographing could be if your view were correct: you
would become the perfect photographer by just going into a shop and
buying the coolest camera!

Photography is not all about gear. 90% of it is being there and
giving your personal touch to the photo.

I'm not any more interested in shooting carefully thought positions
on carefully thought dead objects with carefully thought lighting
timing (or when the CCD and ISO 50 can handle it), carrying a
tripod around. Been there, seen that. I know I can do still life of
instruments and fruit, winter art or foggy panoramas if needed. Not
now. It's time to evolve to something new. Photojournalistic style
of shooting is much more rewarding and fun. And you know, I've had
a lot of fun with my D30, and will continue to have as it's the
best camera with best lenses I've ever hoped to own. I've never
been more inspired with photography.

Maybe it's the finnish mentality, but if I see that people like a
certain style of shooting and producing photos I'm not sticking to
it because it's "popular" -- in time my direction of interest
changes and I continue the battle on different arenas. I'm not here
to please an audience or sell hardware. I have enough hard time to
deal with my own self-critisism, pleasing and developing my own
aesthetic sense, and trying to find new ways to express a view in
my mind. And I have a long way to go before you can say I'm half
way there - it's like in playing a musical instrument: you're never
ready. You know, strangest thing is that I really don't actually
know what I photograph for. I just need to do it, now. It must
comes from the same source as music, it's something you need to do
in order to stay sane in this mad world.

This is not to say your critique does not matter. Of course it
makes me sad if I get negative criticism and makes me happy if hear
applause. But it does not make me think "what can I do to please
them" -- I would put a gallery on the net and continue my hobby
without any received critique, important thing is to see that the
counter on the site is running steady and the works are there for
all to see for free and with no obligation of any kind to either
direction.

Thanks for your comments Neil,

Pekka
http://photography-on-the.net

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Derek Sedillo said:

I rarely critique anyone's work unless I feel stongly about it.
But I have to tell you that I am really impressed with your new D30
gallery! I personally like it more than the G1 gallery as it looks
more alive, more real, more in the moment and less contrived.

My favorite was probably the Viola Player. Wow!!! The colors,
composition, detail, and mood To me this is a much more
enjoyable piece of work than a static cello in nice lighting.
1/50s @ f/2.8 ··· ISO 800. ISO 800 clarity is very clean in this
shot!

While I still like the old gallery which shows what can be done
with the G1, I can tell you are really enjoying the d30 Yes, I
am a G1 owner and yes I love my G1 with all its + -'s. Your G1
gallery has inspired more people than possibly any other gallery on
this forum, myself included.

I think some people are having a hard time reconciling this dilema.
True art elicits emotion, as does technological and brand
loyalties. For some it sounds like sour grapes, for others it is a
mixture of emotions and opinions. But whats not to like about
lively photography, really!?!!! C'mon. Yet a beautiful static
sunset is still one of my favorite shots, as well as nice still
portraits (yours included)

I say keep up the good work and enjoy your new instument! Thanks
again for your contributions to G1 owners as well as the D30 owners
out there.

Derek

Pekka Saarinen said:

Dave said:

Forbidden fruit said:

Somewhat of a different style i think. Many more people, less still
life. Much better use of depth of field. Nice - but i personally
prefer the G1 images. Shows its not the technology but how the
photographer uses it

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That seems to be it. Rather than being inspired and working at the
shots he's just taking pics and relying on the camera. Really just
reminds me of any number of galleries of holiday snaps.

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Oh "dave" (or should I say Neil), I'm honored how you went through
the trouble of registering to this forum with a fake email address
just to comment on my galleries (only 4 posts you ever made on this
site).

You know what, there ARE a lot of "holiday snaps" in my gallery.
There are also a lot of works with are results of assignments as an
fast working event photographer. That's how it should be - real
life composed on CCD, fast shooting and capturing living moments in
available light (variation of expression which would be impossible
to handle with any compact camera).

Relying on a camera is something you can do with D30 (one of the
reasons for leaving G1) - but a camera is a tool, not a device
which instructs you on seeing. I wish some sense would come to
these forums (same thing with Canon, Olympus and Sony): you seem to
think a better camera gives you better pictures. You don't make a
difference between technical quality of a photo and quality of a
photo, or photographic elements and how space is used and how light
is used and how colors are used. It's all technical to you (pixels,
CCD, burst rate) and that's why we don't see real photography
discussions here - this is like tomshardware.com of photography.
How easy photographing could be if your view were correct: you
would become the perfect photographer by just going into a shop and
buying the coolest camera!

Photography is not all about gear. 90% of it is being there and
giving your personal touch to the photo.

I'm not any more interested in shooting carefully thought positions
on carefully thought dead objects with carefully thought lighting
timing (or when the CCD and ISO 50 can handle it), carrying a
tripod around. Been there, seen that. I know I can do still life of
instruments and fruit, winter art or foggy panoramas if needed. Not
now. It's time to evolve to something new. Photojournalistic style
of shooting is much more rewarding and fun. And you know, I've had
a lot of fun with my D30, and will continue to have as it's the
best camera with best lenses I've ever hoped to own. I've never
been more inspired with photography.

Maybe it's the finnish mentality, but if I see that people like a
certain style of shooting and producing photos I'm not sticking to
it because it's "popular" -- in time my direction of interest
changes and I continue the battle on different arenas. I'm not here
to please an audience or sell hardware. I have enough hard time to
deal with my own self-critisism, pleasing and developing my own
aesthetic sense, and trying to find new ways to express a view in
my mind. And I have a long way to go before you can say I'm half
way there - it's like in playing a musical instrument: you're never
ready. You know, strangest thing is that I really don't actually
know what I photograph for. I just need to do it, now. It must
comes from the same source as music, it's something you need to do
in order to stay sane in this mad world.

This is not to say your critique does not matter. Of course it
makes me sad if I get negative criticism and makes me happy if hear
applause. But it does not make me think "what can I do to please
them" -- I would put a gallery on the net and continue my hobby
without any received critique, important thing is to see that the
counter on the site is running steady and the works are there for
all to see for free and with no obligation of any kind to either
direction.

Thanks for your comments Neil,

Pekka
http://photography-on-the.net

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Canon Guy said:

While I too prefer the G1 gallery I find it more disturbing that
Pekka doesn't seem to deal well with any criticism of his work. Is
that not the true way to grow as an artist? After near universal
acclaim of his G1 gallery the opinions of the D30 seem decidedly
mixed.

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Pekka Saarinen said:

Canon Guy said:

While I too prefer the G1 gallery I find it more disturbing that
Pekka doesn't seem to deal well with any criticism of his work. Is
that not the true way to grow as an artist? After near universal
acclaim of his G1 gallery the opinions of the D30 seem decidedly
mixed.

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Actually they are not mixed at all. Only on this forum.

Why I start to be pissed off by this thread: here you seem to have
a clear intention of starting a flame by someone who registers to
the forum with different names, as
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/postersprofile.asp?poster=hfifiwimhz
who joined the forum yesterday and as
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/postersprofile.asp?poster=hfififizhz
who joined the forum 23 minutes ago just to reply here as "Canon
Guy", which leads me to think that this yet another Neal's
schizophrenic quest for demagoguery.

All comments go straight to my heart and some hurt and some help.
Don't think for a second I don't care.

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Tom Davenport said:

Pekka, don't take this as a flame, but I think his criticism point
was somewhat valid. Sure, nobody likes criticism, but don't take
it so seriously to the point of flaming negative feedback. If the
gallery is as good as you think, time will be the ultimate judge.
Your D30 gallery has some very nice pictures, but as a whole I
found it less inspiring than the G1 gallery. There seems to be a
lot of filler (i.e. ship ohoi, stray cats, women waiting... to name
a few). Just my opinion. Others may love those shots.

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Pekka Saarinen said:

Canon Guy said:

While I too prefer the G1 gallery I find it more disturbing that
Pekka doesn't seem to deal well with any criticism of his work. Is
that not the true way to grow as an artist? After near universal
acclaim of his G1 gallery the opinions of the D30 seem decidedly
mixed.

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Actually they are not mixed at all. Only on this forum.

Why I start to be pissed off by this thread: here you seem to have
a clear intention of starting a flame by someone who registers to
the forum with different names, as

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Derek Sedillo said:

Actually I didn't find much "constructive" criticism from the
negative commentators. Either they don't have the skills to do
this, or they just didn't take the time. If you are going to
criticise someone's work at least have the courtesy to provide
valid points of true artistic and technical merit that a
photographer can learn from.

Anything else is a diservice to the photographer as well as this
forum. It also causes others to question your motives. Comments
like "these photos are just like everyday snapshots" serve very
little purpose here except to bring attention to yourself. I
seriously doubt your ability to produce common snapshots like this.
If you post some of your work up here, would you like us to make
random negative comments about your work and provide only vague
reasons as to why.

A few people probably like the style of the G1 gallery more (more
still, winter type shots,...), but that doesn't take away from the
quality of these D30 photos. Some of these photos are not possible
with G1 with the natural available light in such a setting at those
speeds(ie- 1/50s @ f/2.8 ··· ISO 800), not to mention the great
color, composition, mood, etc... Can you do better???

Think a little more before criticising and it might actually help
us all to become better photographers. Thats why we are all here
isn't it?? There is room for "constructive" criticism for every
photographer, myself and I'm sure Pekka included. Ask yourself this
question next time you post - "what will my post do to improve the
quality of this site or help the photographer in question?"

Stop, think, then write. If it's criticism about someones' work
and you don't have the time or ability to provide something useful-
then don't.

Thanks,

Derek

Pekka Saarinen said:

Canon Guy said:

While I too prefer the G1 gallery I find it more disturbing that
Pekka doesn't seem to deal well with any criticism of his work. Is
that not the true way to grow as an artist? After near universal
acclaim of his G1 gallery the opinions of the D30 seem decidedly
mixed.

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Actually they are not mixed at all. Only on this forum.

Why I start to be pissed off by this thread: here you seem to have
a clear intention of starting a flame by someone who registers to
the forum with different names, as

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Derek Sedillo said:

There is a big difference between a person who presents a true
critique and poorly presented negative remarks/criticism.

Actually I didn't find much "constructive" criticism from the
negative commentators. Either they don't have the skills to do
this, or they just didn't take the time.

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softtower said:

Derek Sedillo said:

There is a big difference between a person who presents a true
critique and poorly presented negative remarks/criticism.

Actually I didn't find much "constructive" criticism from the
negative commentators. Either they don't have the skills to do
this, or they just didn't take the time.

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What is wrong with you, people? If someone says "I don't like it"
that means he does not like it. Period. Isn't that WHY people post
their album links on the net and ask others to go and see?

Id shouldn't matter if viewer has 'great vision' or not -
photograpy, as any other type of art, belongs to the crowd, not to
a small group of the 'right people'. My pictures suck, I can't find
interesting subect to shoot, my framing is poor, I don't know the
difference between digital and film cameras, and you're saying I
can't like or dislike other people's albums?

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Pekka Saarinen said:

All comments go straight to my heart and some hurt and some help.
Don't think for a second I don't care.

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softtower said:

Derek Sedillo said:

There is a big difference between a person who presents a true
critique and poorly presented negative remarks/criticism.

Actually I didn't find much "constructive" criticism from the
negative commentators. Either they don't have the skills to do
this, or they just didn't take the time.

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What is wrong with you, people? If someone says "I don't like it"
that means he does not like it. Period. Isn't that WHY people post
their album links on the net and ask others to go and see?

Id shouldn't matter if viewer has 'great vision' or not -
photograpy, as any other type of art, belongs to the crowd, not to
a small group of the 'right people'. My pictures suck, I can't find
interesting subect to shoot, my framing is poor, I don't know the
difference between digital and film cameras, and you're saying I
can't like or dislike other people's albums?

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Derek Sedillo said:

Listen, I don't know softtower or your photography skills. But if
I see some pictures you post and tell I don't like or they suck as
you put it, what good will that do you? But if I or someone else
give you some tips to improve your technique, won't that be worth
something more? Does this make sense?

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Taz said:

Taz said:

You know what, there ARE a lot of "holiday snaps" in my gallery.
There are also a lot of works with are results of assignments as an
fast working event photographer. That's how it should be - real
life composed on CCD, fast shooting and capturing living moments in
available light (variation of expression which would be impossible
to handle with any compact camera).

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The thing is there is nothing "special" about these photos to even
make them worthy of posting, unlike your other gallery. These types
of photos are a dime a dozen on the net.

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Taz said:

Taz said:

Relying on a camera is something you can do with D30 (one of the
reasons for leaving G1) - but a camera is a tool, not a device
which instructs you on seeing. I wish some sense would come to
these forums (same thing with Canon, Olympus and Sony): you seem to
think a better camera gives you better pictures. You don't make a
difference between technical quality of a photo and quality of a
photo, or photographic elements and how space is used and how light
is used and how colors are used. It's all technical to you (pixels,
CCD, burst rate) and that's why we don't see real photography
discussions here - this is like tomshardware.com of photography.
How easy photographing could be if your view were correct: you
would become the perfect photographer by just going into a shop and
buying the coolest camera!

Click to expand...

The problem is all the new photos ARE technical rather than
artistic and inspired.

Taz said:

Photography is not all about gear. 90% of it is being there and
giving your personal touch to the photo.

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I don't see a personal touch to this gallery whatsoever. They look
like very hastily shot photos where more work was put into the
webpage.

Taz said:

I'm not any more interested in shooting carefully thought positions
on carefully thought dead objects with carefully thought lighting
timing (or when the CCD and ISO 50 can handle it), carrying a
tripod around. Been there, seen that. I know I can do still life of
instruments and fruit, winter art or foggy panoramas if needed. Not
now. It's time to evolve to something new. Photojournalistic style
of shooting is much more rewarding and fun. And you know, I've had
a lot of fun with my D30, and will continue to have as it's the
best camera with best lenses I've ever hoped to own. I've never
been more inspired with photography.

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It truly doesn't show. It seems like you are relying more on the
camera rather than yourself.

It must

Taz said:

comes from the same source as music, it's something you need to do
in order to stay sane in this mad world.

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Couldn't agree more.

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Hap Mullenneaux said:

Dear Pekka,
First thank you for your site and its galleries. Twice I have
refered others to you G1 gallery and even though I said it was
yours both times I received emails back thanking me for creating
the best gallery they had ever seen on the web! The G1 with its
limited lens and unlimited DOF presents a photgraphic challenge
common to most digicams. You met that challenge beautifully with
magnificent framing, composition and exposure. Your D30 gallery
demonstrates that it is a very different tool with greater
potential and challenges of its own. As a long time fan of Bob
Dylan I salute you for not standing still. As a D30 owner who
knows the challenges of candid photography I would be very happy to
be given credit for this new gallery as I was for the G1.
Finally, thank you for this reminder, "Photography is not all about
gear. 90% of it is being there..." To me being there means being
connected with our subject. Our schools train us to think and
analyze, but photography can help us discover the connection
between our inner nature and the apparently separate world around
us if we let it.
All the best,
Hap Mullenneaux
Fairfield, Iowa

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Dave said:

http://photography-on-the.net/D30/thumbs.php
I don't fint it NEAR as impressive as his G1 page. Anybody else
have an opinion?

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Kevin Bjorke said:

The biggest problem is that the photos are being classified not by
content but by model numbers of the equipment being used, which is
just plain wrong.

Did Gene Smith use a Contaflex or Ikoflex to show a G.I. holding a
helpless Japanese baby? Does it matter? Did Penn use a Rollei with
a Tessar or Xenotar? Hard to say, but that lemon still looks
appealing.

Pekka, please rearrange your photos by content (easy enough to
support both, if you're using a relational DB.....) and watch the
naysayers fade away.

Of the new crop, my favorite is "Fame"

kb
http://www.botzilla.com/
http://www.finalfantasy.com/

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