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nahau
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I think you're confusing the G1 and G2 here, Bob. The G2 has no red noise in the sky.
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I Concede! Sony's F707 Is the Winner!
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BryanS
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Forget it, nahau... Bob's just here to trash on Canon. You won't get him to correct himself.
Bryan
probepro
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OK, but even if I agree with your analysis, if I really want the F707, why would I let $100+ change my mind?
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I wouldn't write off Best Buy. You can walk in, see the camera,
and buy it knowing it's not gray market. Furthermore you can return it
right away if it's defective and they have a four year service plan that's
very reasonalble. After all the horror stories I've read in this and
other forums about buying mail order to save $100, I'm willing to pay
$100 more for peace of mind and instant gradification. It's worth
knowing they run weekly specials which are posted on the NET.
One last comment: Best Buy sales people don't work on commision
and I found it to be a pleasant, low key experience talking digital
cameras with them. In short I like'm and plan to buy my next digital
camera there.
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Travis
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Hi Nahau! You're absolutely right... the G2 has considerably less red noise than the G1 - that was something I was looking for right away. If you remember, I was one who initially started complaining about the red noise (especially in dark shadows and solid backgrounds) long ago. But it definitely looks like this noise is all but gone (I still see a little, but not nearly as much).
Still deciding whether to get the Canon G2 or the Sony 707 though... the G2 would certainly be more economical for me considering I have all of the accessories, etc. But that 707 sure has a lot to offer! darn it.
Travis
probepro
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Yes, buying online can be risky, and I’ve certainly returned my share of defective stuff. But if you do the research and buy from reputable retailers, and you know what you want so there is no buyer’s remorse, you could probably beat Best Buy by 20% if there is no sales tax, which will pay for a couple memory sticks. As for the Best Buy clerks, my experience has been that just about everyone in this forum knows more about cameras than the clerks (same for cell phones). But even if they were knowledgeable, I’m still going to do my homework. The extended warranty my make sense for some household appliances, but in the case of DC’s where the technology is changing so rapidly, the useful life for me isn’t much longer than the manufacture’s warranty.
Paulo Abreu
Veteran Member
I agree with almost averything, but:
I owned CP990 until today. I have just sold it 4 hours ago, so i am free to decide. Two options: F707 or G2.
F707 is indeed a fine camera that can turn your head upside down, but don´t underestimate G2. I am VERY IMPRESSED with G2 image quality, and i am talking about resolution and the absolute NOISE FREE shots at iso 50 and 100. If you look very well at dpreview samples (and other sites too) you will notice that G2 is less noisier that 707, has excellent color rendition, suported by crisp resolution delivered by Canon lens.
For me it´s a real contender on 707 since it uses CF and i have spared some cards from my old CP990. but i will wait a little more for a production 707 (the 5Mp are attractive and you will feel that you catch the train at the departure).
Sorry for the "funny" english
Paulo Abreu
I owned CP990 until today. I have just sold it 4 hours ago, so i am free to decide. Two options: F707 or G2.
F707 is indeed a fine camera that can turn your head upside down, but don´t underestimate G2. I am VERY IMPRESSED with G2 image quality, and i am talking about resolution and the absolute NOISE FREE shots at iso 50 and 100. If you look very well at dpreview samples (and other sites too) you will notice that G2 is less noisier that 707, has excellent color rendition, suported by crisp resolution delivered by Canon lens.
For me it´s a real contender on 707 since it uses CF and i have spared some cards from my old CP990. but i will wait a little more for a production 707 (the 5Mp are attractive and you will feel that you catch the train at the departure).
Sorry for the "funny" english
Paulo Abreu
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Bob Williams
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The life of the typical generatio in digital is what makes the
in store extended warranty so valuable. For 18 more months,
should my G-1 break, and not be able to be repaired, I have
800$ paid towards a replacement out of their case. The
warranty has already replaced the camera once with a camera
that would have cost about 1200$ when the first one was
purchased. I doubt very seriously if 18 months from now you
can get any G-1's repaired, and in that case Best Buy will
replace it with a camera that cost the same as the original.
For people talking about throwing the price of that extended
warranty away on every 128 memstick they buy, saying the
warranty is worthless seems kind of funny.
in store extended warranty so valuable. For 18 more months,
should my G-1 break, and not be able to be repaired, I have
800$ paid towards a replacement out of their case. The
warranty has already replaced the camera once with a camera
that would have cost about 1200$ when the first one was
purchased. I doubt very seriously if 18 months from now you
can get any G-1's repaired, and in that case Best Buy will
replace it with a camera that cost the same as the original.
For people talking about throwing the price of that extended
warranty away on every 128 memstick they buy, saying the
warranty is worthless seems kind of funny.
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Bob Williams
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Actually, at this time, the G-2, D-7, and the Casio 4000 are my
upgrade options. I am waiting for full reviews of all of them to
be done by Phil and Steve with production cameras. The 707
has the sharpening artifacts, the patches of obvious noise
reduction smoothed color, and the wrong colors. The G-2 has
the jaggies, red speckles in the sky, and I have yet to get
feedback from users saying that the metering and AF are really
better. The D-7 has more noise than either of them, but it does
not effect 8x10 prints at all. 0 defect if it isn't seen. It also
has the colorspace conversion problem, and the same AF and
metering problems of the present G-1. My wife would not use
it either. The Casio images so far look good, but they are not
from Phil or Steve, so they are not trusted images. When Phil
and Steve get done with their reviews, then I can actually say
something about the 4000. My upgrade will be to either a
camera that my wife can pick up and use as a point and shoot,
or it will be to the best camera for me period, with the point
and shoot for my wife having priority. I could care less
whether it is a Canon, a Casio, or the Minolta that I buy. It will
not be a Sony tho. If you look closely at the tower bidge
shot from the G-2, you will see the speckled sky I was speaking
of. If I remember correctly, the worst part is in the upper
left of the image. Pushed blue skys with red speckles.
upgrade options. I am waiting for full reviews of all of them to
be done by Phil and Steve with production cameras. The 707
has the sharpening artifacts, the patches of obvious noise
reduction smoothed color, and the wrong colors. The G-2 has
the jaggies, red speckles in the sky, and I have yet to get
feedback from users saying that the metering and AF are really
better. The D-7 has more noise than either of them, but it does
not effect 8x10 prints at all. 0 defect if it isn't seen. It also
has the colorspace conversion problem, and the same AF and
metering problems of the present G-1. My wife would not use
it either. The Casio images so far look good, but they are not
from Phil or Steve, so they are not trusted images. When Phil
and Steve get done with their reviews, then I can actually say
something about the 4000. My upgrade will be to either a
camera that my wife can pick up and use as a point and shoot,
or it will be to the best camera for me period, with the point
and shoot for my wife having priority. I could care less
whether it is a Canon, a Casio, or the Minolta that I buy. It will
not be a Sony tho. If you look closely at the tower bidge
shot from the G-2, you will see the speckled sky I was speaking
of. If I remember correctly, the worst part is in the upper
left of the image. Pushed blue skys with red speckles.
Larry Y writes:
Just visiting the Cannon Forum and low & behold another 'my cameras better than your camera' chat.
I have a fuji 6900z. Now that the G2 & Sony 707 is available , I would still buy the 6900z. After attaining a certain level in the Specs. department and the quality differences are quite minimal then the rest is academic. 1x more zoom or 1 MP more will make very little difference in anyones life. But, if you love a flip LCD vs a swivel body, if you love the feel of a camera in your hands, the operation and/ or the ergonomics of one camera vs another, that will make an major difference in its use and the pleasure derived from it..
These things are totally subjective and not really open to discussion.
Our time would be better spent taking pictures with a 6900z of course.
reqards LY
Just visiting the Cannon Forum and low & behold another 'my cameras better than your camera' chat.
I have a fuji 6900z. Now that the G2 & Sony 707 is available , I would still buy the 6900z. After attaining a certain level in the Specs. department and the quality differences are quite minimal then the rest is academic. 1x more zoom or 1 MP more will make very little difference in anyones life. But, if you love a flip LCD vs a swivel body, if you love the feel of a camera in your hands, the operation and/ or the ergonomics of one camera vs another, that will make an major difference in its use and the pleasure derived from it..
These things are totally subjective and not really open to discussion.
Our time would be better spent taking pictures with a 6900z of course.
reqards LY
By god, again... Would you please tell me where can I look at picture with 'red speckles in the sky'?
Thanks.
Eugueny
BryanS
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BryanS
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If I remember how the BestBuy extended warranty works, you can get them for up to two years that will be full in-stock replacement warranties. That means, if it breaks for any reason, you can get it replaced by the same camera in stock (no sending in for repairs) or get the full purchase price toward another camera.
THIS would be extremely helpful to those who upgrade often. Let's say I know that BestBuy doesn't sell the G1 anymore (or is out of them), and my G1 "accidentally" stops working in some way. Gee, sounds like I get $800 toward the price of a G2.
Bryan
I also chose to buy my G1 there--they had a 10% off for good customers (through the mail)--I waited for that weekend and even though my BB had none, they put me in contact with another nearby city that did. I went there where they had held it and the manager was extremely helpful--and pretty knowledgable. I've had good experiences with them with other things, so know they live up to the 'law' in their warranties--but be sure you understand them. Also--you can return with 14 days I believe, no questions asked if you return with slips, boxes, etc.
Diane
If there is red noise in the tower image I don't see it. Must be something wrong with Bob's monitor.
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nahau
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Hi Travis,
Long time no see! I've been following some of your printer threads. It seems you like that Epson 1280. I am also looking at that particular printer so I can print larger photos...and the CIS system. I know you have spoken highly of it, but have you had any problems at all with either the printer of the CIS recently?
By the way, I do remember that wedding photo;-).
nahau
Long time no see! I've been following some of your printer threads. It seems you like that Epson 1280. I am also looking at that particular printer so I can print larger photos...and the CIS system. I know you have spoken highly of it, but have you had any problems at all with either the printer of the CIS recently?
By the way, I do remember that wedding photo;-).
nahau
Other than 5x zoom what does the 707 camera bring to the party. The 5MP is insignificant in the images I compared. The G2 images are sharp with excellent color (love those blue skies) with no noticeable CA. I cannot say the same thing about the 707. Since it is not because it uses the memory stick and does not have RAW format, it must be the 5X ZOOM. That's a lot of sacrifice for 5x (or is that 10x)zoom, that I can workaround.
percy57157
Well-known member
I always buy electronic products with a Credit Card that extends the warrantee for an additional year at no charge. I never get the offerred extended warranty. It's a long term money loser for the Consumer and almost pure profit for the Stores. I'm sure many Sales people get a higher percentage commision for these extended warrantees
Sure you may be unlucky and then the extended warrantee through the Box Store would be a welcome sight but over the long haul you will come out way ahead by never buying these warrantees and mitigating your risk by using extending warrantees free of charge via credit cards.
Sure you may be unlucky and then the extended warrantee through the Box Store would be a welcome sight but over the long haul you will come out way ahead by never buying these warrantees and mitigating your risk by using extending warrantees free of charge via credit cards.
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Travis
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Yeah, I usually hang out in one forum for a while and then move on to another one... and so on (whatever I'm into at the time).
It seems you like that Epson 1280. I am also looking at
I have used my 1280 a great deal - recently, I have used it to make prints for photo shoots I've done with a few families, seniors, etc. I'm using the printer with a CIS from http://www.nomorecarts.com and MIS Lightfast ink at http://www.inksupply.com . I haven't had any significant problems to speak of. I had to initially tweak the color since I am using 3rd party ink. And the CIS wasn't cheap, but it has paid for itself already.
Anyway, if you want to know more about it or want to talk privately about it, feel free to e-mail...
See ya around,
Travis
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