Test with Sigma 80-400 EX OS DG

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I just bought a new Sigma 80-400, the new type with DG. My father made a test-picture with it and was not satisfied with the sharpness: have a look at the side of the book and try to read the text.

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Any opinions?

BTW: I made more pictures with the lens and it does make great pictures (I can post some if wanted).
 
Hi

Thanks for sharing, I have this lens at the top of my list.

I am not in a position to check the EXIF but the setting and subject suggest it may have been taken with the lens at max aperture and (as I understand it) if it was at the long end of the zoom especially the DoF will be very small.

Also, OS is not a miracle worker so there may be a little camera shake present if the shutter speed was very low.

I will have a look at it later when I can view the EXIF assuming that it was not stripped during your saving and web posting.

:)
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Living life a slice at a time

 
Some more info:
EXIF (present in picture):
1/250 s
F/5.6
ISO 400
281mm

Picture was taken with from a tripod (no timer) with OS off.
 
Two other samples which show that the lens is not bad:

1/350 F6.7 223mm ISO400



1/500 F8 351mm ISO400

 
...assess the sharpness if you changed the subject matter and took the lens outside and shot something with some natural light with more contrast like some birds, or planes or animals.
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Rob
 
You probably bought this lens to shoot photos like the other two you posted, not test shots of a book :) so if the "actual" photos turn out to your satisfaction, this is all that matters.
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Misha
 
I didn't make the test-shot, my father did. I also told him that a book was not the most ideal 'subject' :).
 
The 1st picture might have some camera shake in there. It doesn't look very clear.

Perhaps you have to get used to using the lens a bit more (afterall I imagine it weighs quite a bit) and see if your sharp shots become more frequent?

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Rob
 
Are you sure? Mind that the focus was on the body, not the head. The DOF also was quite small.
 
Two other samples which show that the lens is not bad:
I think the pictures of the birds look really good (considering the shallow DOF). If you sharpen them a little in Photoshop they look even better. In other words, the lens seems to work perfectly fine.
 
Hi,

the non-DG version is said to deliver fine pics and I think you'll be pleased with your new heavy baby. They also say the AF is quite accurate.

If you don't mind I'd some questions?:

the 80-400 is on my list too at the moment, mainly because of 400mm and the OS and the good picture quality. The only contra (apart from the weight) is the lack of HSM therefore most people recommended to save for the Canon 100-400 which is a bit to expensive for me, even not to mention 70-200 2,8 L IS which would certainly be my sweetest dream.

The new DG hasn't got HSM, has it?
Is the new one a bit lighter maybe?
Can anyone tell me if the AF of the new one might be faster???

In case I'd decide on the old version, can anyone tell me HOW fast the AF is?

For comparison I have 70-200 L4 (which I sadly would sell in case I take the sigma), 28-135 IS and Sigma 18-50 EX 2,8.

Last week I briefly checked a Sigma 18-200 (which besides I would recommend to go instead with a compact cam), picture quality really wasn't bad but coming to terms, the AF surely was snail-slow.

If the 80-400 AF is slow as the 18-200 then somehow I might still be able to live with that but if it is slower then it would definitely be nonsense to buy it.

Please, some good quality answers please!

I couldn't find ANY 80-400 in any street shop in Vienna last week, none on stock anymore and new DG should come soon but not yet.

Thx a lot!

Wick
 
The new DG hasn't got HSM, has it?
No, unfortunatley not.
Is the new one a bit lighter maybe?
1750 grams
Can anyone tell me if the AF of the new one might be faster???
I don't know that. I do think that it has not changed. I remember reading that it took about 2 seconds from 1.80 (minimum distance) to infinity and this lens is the same. It might seem slow, but it can follow moving objects quite well (if you can follow them yourselves!)
In case I'd decide on the old version, can anyone tell me HOW fast
the AF is?
See above
For comparison I have 70-200 L4 (which I sadly would sell in case I
take the sigma), 28-135 IS and Sigma 18-50 EX 2,8.
Last week I briefly checked a Sigma 18-200 (which besides I would
recommend to go instead with a compact cam), picture quality really
wasn't bad but coming to terms, the AF surely was snail-slow.
If the 80-400 AF is slow as the 18-200 then somehow I might still
be able to live with that but if it is slower then it would
definitely be nonsense to buy it.
I don't know the Sigma 18-200, sorry
Please, some good quality answers please!
I'm open for more if I can, but I'm just starting with a real SLR. I'm thinking about the Sigma 18-50 EX 2.8 too, but I'm tempted even more by the Canon EF-S 17-85 IS since it has more reach and IS (but it's slower).
 
SOrry, I'm just starting this hobby. I have experience with the standard 18-55 which I probably don't need to tell you about and also the 55-200 USM II. That lens was focussing really fast (although the Sigma is not that bad), but build quality was not very good and I wanted more zoom.

I bought the Sigma because I want to have a good zoom, and add 1 general purpose lens which would be on most of the time. I'm tempted by the Sigma 18-50 2.8 and the Canon EF-S 17-85 IS. The Sigma is a great lens but would leave me with a gap between 50 and 80mm. The Canon has IS and makes a perfect couple with my Sigma 80-400 but is a lot slower than the Sigma 18-50.
 
My tests have been superb. I think your results are specifically attributable to the shooting situation.

This isn't meant to be a low-light superstar. Sure, the OS helps, but dimly-lit areas and long focal lengths leave all sorts of opportunities for blur, regardless of the stabilization.

It also has a considerable minimum focusing distance, and the closer you are to it, the more you compromise sharpness. You seem close, regardless of the zoom being used.

I wouldn't let this be a representative sample of its output. If you want to check its color etc, I'd retry the same setup but shoot from a tripod with MLU enabled. THAT will give you an accurate representation of its sharpness without having to sacrifice the outcome by upping the ISO to stratospheric levels.

I have found it to be tremendously sharp throughout its range. In fact, I find it to be subjectively slightly sharper than the 100-400 L, and the addition of the DG coatings somehow have made the colors more vivid and comparable to the 100-400 L. They somehow have less of the "autumn cast" inherent to many Sigmas as seem to be more vivid throughout the entire color palette.

Your individual copy aside, I find the model to be absolutely excellent.
I just bought a new Sigma 80-400, the new type with DG. My father
made a test-picture with it and was not satisfied with the
sharpness: have a look at the side of the book and try to read the
text.

135921_0020_001.jpg
'] http://filehost.to/files/2005-08-15_02/135921_0020_001.jpg[/img] [/URL]

Any opinions?

BTW: I made more pictures with the lens and it does make great
pictures (I can post some if wanted).
 
Dfbb,

You've made some very sound decisions in your lens selection. You will find IS to be invaluable if you don't intend to shoot from a tripod all of the time, and you will be absolutely amazed at the extent to which your number of "keepers" goes up in relation to shots that you would otherwise discard from shake-induced blur.

You've also made two very good performance/flexibility/value choices and are superbly positioned for choosing an ultra-wide when the time comes. You'll find the 10-22 is exceptional in every regard, but it is pricier than similar offerings from Tokina, Tamron, and Sigma. The good news is that significantly outperforms them if you want to make the investment.

As for your comment about the 17-85 not being as fast as the Sigma 18-50, I'd advise you not to worry about it. In my experience, the times when you will find yourself wishing for a faster lens are almost without exception the very same times you would benefit tremendously from a prime, and the ability to zoom will be far less important to you.

The GREAT news is that these mid-range primes are available from Canon, Sigma and others at VERY reasonable prices, and you don't need L glass to get superb performance from them. While the 18-50 is fantastic, imagine the circumstance when you might prefer it over the 17-85. In that time and place, which would you prefer to have, the 18-50 f/2.8, or a f/1.4 or f/1.8 50m prime, or equally fast 35?

Once you build your compliment of zooms from which you can shoot with relatively few high quality lenses with the benefit of IS, you can really begin exploring the options of filling them in with well-selected primes for portraits, macros, and other creative shooting. In fact, while I've made the exact same zoom decisions as you, the only other zoom I added was the 70-200 IS, and that was SOLELY because of its usefulness in a specific set of circumstances, NOT because of how it related to my other lenses.

I think you've made very good decisions and are well on your way to a VERY satisfying arsenal.

Best,

E.
SOrry, I'm just starting this hobby. I have experience with the
standard 18-55 which I probably don't need to tell you about and
also the 55-200 USM II. That lens was focussing really fast
(although the Sigma is not that bad), but build quality was not
very good and I wanted more zoom.

I bought the Sigma because I want to have a good zoom, and add 1
general purpose lens which would be on most of the time. I'm
tempted by the Sigma 18-50 2.8 and the Canon EF-S 17-85 IS. The
Sigma is a great lens but would leave me with a gap between 50 and
80mm. The Canon has IS and makes a perfect couple with my Sigma
80-400 but is a lot slower than the Sigma 18-50.
 

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