1/4000sec max shutter speed not enough

Medic Laviña · May 10, 2005

How many of you 350D/XT owners find that the 1/4000 sec. maximum shutter speed is not enough? I find this very limiting everytime I shoot outdoors (bright condition), wide-open aperture (e.g. F/1.8 for smoothest bokeh), and ISO 100. Status on the VF notifies of this situation and the picture comes out overexposed. Stopping down the lens is not a good workaround cause it reduces the bokeh quality. I think Canon should have upped the max shutter speed to 1/8000 seconds or provided ISO 50 at least.
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Evil Eggplant · May 10, 2005

A polarizer will cost you at least a stop, as will a one stop ND filter. That one stop is the difference between 1/4000s and 1/8000s.

Medic Laviña said:
How many of you 350D/XT owners find that the 1/4000 sec. maximum
shutter speed is not enough? I find this very limiting everytime I
shoot outdoors (bright condition), wide-open aperture (e.g. F/1.8
for smoothest bokeh), and ISO 100. Status on the VF notifies of
this situation and the picture comes out overexposed. Stopping down
the lens is not a good workaround cause it reduces the bokeh
quality. I think Canon should have upped the max shutter speed to
1/8000 seconds or provided ISO 50 at least.
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Eric217138 · May 10, 2005

Yep, a neutral density filter should do the trick. Same problem arises when you want to get a 5 second exposure of a scene during bright sunlight.

Eric

Hansplast26 · May 10, 2005

i think a shutter speed of higher than 1/1000s is only necessary for action shots.

first i would stop the lens a bit down, it will give you a sharper image and still gives you a nice bokeh (ofcourse it depends on what type of lens it is).

Secondly, if you always want to shoot wide open even 1/8000s would not be enough.

Thirdly, stopping it a bit down will result in all over sharper images, any minor miss focussing will not be recognizable.

by the way, have you though about higher priced lenses? the blades of the aperature will be nicer and thus result in a nicer bokeh.

Medic Laviña said:
How many of you 350D/XT owners find that the 1/4000 sec. maximum
shutter speed is not enough? I find this very limiting everytime I
shoot outdoors (bright condition), wide-open aperture (e.g. F/1.8
for smoothest bokeh), and ISO 100. Status on the VF notifies of
this situation and the picture comes out overexposed. Stopping down
the lens is not a good workaround cause it reduces the bokeh
quality. I think Canon should have upped the max shutter speed to
1/8000 seconds or provided ISO 50 at least.
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valis · May 10, 2005

If you blame the camera for being deficient, then blame yourself for buying the wrong camera. Canon sells other bodies that go faster than 1/4000.

If you can't afford such a camera, but a neutral density filter and all of your problems will be solved. That's what they are for.

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Greg Morrison · May 10, 2005

ND Filter

Medic Laviña · May 10, 2005

That's a good idea. Thanks very much.
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Medic Laviña · May 10, 2005

valis said:
If you blame the camera for being deficient, then blame yourself
for buying the wrong camera. Canon sells other bodies that go
faster than 1/4000.

Sorry, I'm an SLR newbie. I wasn't aware that such shutter speed is not enough in some situations. I found it out later as I learn through experience.

Blame the DPreview 'experts' who keep on misinforming newbies like me that there is no need for shutter speeds faster than 1/2000 seconds .
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Snapman · May 10, 2005

How do you think us oldies managed when cameras only had shutter speeds up to 500th sec?

Regards, David

Medic Laviña said:
valis said:

If you blame the camera for being deficient, then blame yourself
for buying the wrong camera. Canon sells other bodies that go
faster than 1/4000.

Click to expand...

Sorry, I'm an SLR newbie. I wasn't aware that such shutter speed is
not enough in some situations. I found it out later as I learn
through experience.
Blame the DPreview 'experts' who keep on misinforming newbies like
me that there is no need for shutter speeds faster than 1/2000
seconds .
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Medic Laviña · May 10, 2005

Hansplast26 said:
i think a shutter speed of higher than 1/1000s is only necessary
for action shots.

Yes, but it overexposes in the situation I described. If it overexpose at 1/4000s, how much more at 1/1000s?

Hansplast26 said:
first i would stop the lens a bit down, it will give you a sharper
image and still gives you a nice bokeh (ofcourse it depends on what
type of lens it is).
Secondly, if you always want to shoot wide open even 1/8000s would
not be enough.

Maybe, but at least more helpful than just 1/4000s.

Hansplast26 said:
Thirdly, stopping it a bit down will result in all over sharper
images, any minor miss focussing will not be recognizable.

by the way, have you though about higher priced lenses? the blades
of the aperature will be nicer and thus result in a nicer bokeh.

Is the aperture blades design in 85f/1.8, 135f/2L, and 200f/2.8L not good enough?
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Jason Hutchinson · May 10, 2005

The 85f/1.8, 135f/2, and 200f/2.8 are the older design where you'll see issues. An example of a lens with the rounded blades (at least down to f/5.6) is the 70-200IS.

Jason

P.S. Whoever told you that you wouldn't have a need for 1/2000+ wasn't a Dpreview expert.

Medic Laviña · May 10, 2005

Snapman said:
How do you think us oldies managed when cameras only had shutter
speeds up to 500th sec?

Let me guess...

ISO 50 film (not sure if there is ISO 25 or slower)? Avoid using wide-open aperture in bright-light (and forget about getting the smoothest bokeh)? Put dark filter on lens (I just learned this from replies I received here today)?
Please let me know...I want to learn more!!!

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Hansplast26 · May 10, 2005

I had a lens made in the seventies with rounded blades.... it had 48 blades. russian quality;-)

Jason Hutchinson said:
P.S. Whoever told you that you wouldn't have a need for 1/2000+
wasn't a Dpreview expert.

What does 'dpreview expert' mean to you? Let get my point clear: most of the time you take a picture you have more than enough time.

People spend hours to get the angle, composition and even amount of light right, except for action shots a shutter speed less than 1/1000s will typically do the job.

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River Side · May 10, 2005

wait till the D50 hits the market with minimum ISO200 and max shutter 1/4000..

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Hansplast26 · May 10, 2005

Medic Laviña said:
Yes, but it overexposes in the situation I described. If it
overexpose at 1/4000s, how much more at 1/1000s?

Well yes, four times the amount of light.. so much more.

Medic Laviña said:
Maybe, but at least more helpful than just 1/4000s.

yeah could be, i remember a friend of mine had p&s camera. it had an electronic shutter and it went up to 1/10000s. maybe a first of kind dslr with electronic shutter would do for you too (if that ever will become available/possible).

Medic Laviña said:
Medic Laviña said:

by the way, have you though about higher priced lenses? the blades
of the aperature will be nicer and thus result in a nicer bokeh.

Click to expand...

Is the aperture blades design in 85f/1.8, 135f/2L, and 200f/2.8L
not good enough?

Hmm I don't have any of these lenses, but the L in their types let me feel they must be ok.... do you actually really feel the difference between then wide open and one stop down?

Another thing that might work for you (well not on the short term) is that canon releases firmware that reduces the iso sensitivity to like iso 50 or iso25.

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Jason Hutchinson · May 10, 2005

Hansplast26 said:
yeah could be, i remember a friend of mine had p&s camera. it had an > electronic shutter and it went up to 1/10000s. maybe a first of kind dslr > with electronic shutter would do for you too (if that ever will become > available/possible).

1st of a kind? The 1D, and many other previous DSLRs have an electronic shutter and give you 1/16000th.

Hansplast26 said:
Hmm I don't have any of these lenses, but the L in their types let me feel > they must be ok.... do you actually really feel the difference between then > wide open and one stop down?

It depends on the scene and how sensitive you are to it but it is clearly there. It's not like one of those issues that people sense, you can clearly say "hey that highlight is not a circle."

Hansplast26 said:
Another thing that might work for you (well not on the short term) is > that canon releases firmware that reduces the iso sensitivity to like iso > 50 or iso25.

Absolutely no chance that Canon does this. Never.

Jason

Medic Laviña · May 10, 2005

River Side said:
wait till the D50 hits the market with minimum ISO200 and max
shutter 1/4000..

That's even more limiting, huh?

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Snapman · May 10, 2005

Out of the hundreds of threads I've read on this Forum by 300D and 350D users, I can't recall one single person mentioning anything about not having a high enough shutter speed.

Even the kit lens stops down to f32, so you really have more than a sufficient range of aperture and shutter speeds to cope with the brightest daylight conditions.

Regarding your query about the days when we had 500th sec max. Most press photographers and many amateurs used Kodak Tri-X sometimes pushed even higher than its intended rating of 400 ISO.

Regards, David

ldkronos · May 10, 2005

There was at one time. I shot Ektar 25 about 8-10 years ago. I seem to recall that there was even some ISO 16 film (though it might have been one of the pro lines). Of course, I have no clue what's currently available

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Hansplast26 · May 10, 2005

Jason Hutchinson said:
1st of a kind? The 1D, and many other previous DSLRs have an
electronic shutter and give you 1/16000th.

Oh really? How does that work, does it also have a mechanical shutter to avoid any dust on the sensor?

Jason Hutchinson said:
Jason Hutchinson said:

Another thing that might work for you (well not on the short term) is > that canon releases firmware that reduces the iso sensitivity to like iso > 50 or iso25.

Click to expand...

Absolutely no chance that Canon does this. Never.

Jup. being a software engineer I know that it is feasible. But common sense tells me that there is no reason to do this, especially as an iso

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