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Of course this DID have to happen in a thread about editing
BEFOREHAND!!!!
I think that Chuck was right when he said that you missed the
point; but, I might put it another way... by seeing ALL criticism
as part of the learning process. That includes not only comments
on framing, focus or processing; but, how to be selective as well.
Learning to pick ONE 'best' sample from several competitive
candidates contributes just as much to our growth as photographers
(amateur or pro) as any of the other aspects.
I didn't hear him say that those who posted several were posting
lots of bad pictures... as it seems you may have heard... but, that
of those pictures there was probably one that was a cut above the
others and that part of the process of geting better was
disciplining ourselves to make that cut beforehand.
What DID bother me about youyr reply was this sentence, "Perhaps I
will post again if I can ever reach this level."
Who is assuming that you HAVEN'T??? The critique was on quality;
but, on quantity. So, PLEASE... KEEP on contributing!
In the early days of OC's I used to go to SIGGRAPH. The greatest
thing about SIGGRAPH is the animation festival. There one could
see works done on the world's fastest super-computers or works done
on little 1.4mhz 4-color personal computers. ALL were appreciated
more for their creativity and skill rather than hardware wizardry.
Amateur or Pro... it doesn't matter here. What matters is PROGRESS
and GROWTH... in ALL it's facets.
I hesitate to reply to this but here goes. I'm guilty. The images IChuck Hamilton wrote:
Just because we all own cameras
that can take lots of images and at a very low cost doesn't justify
skipping the editing process--that is, looking critically at your
images and choosing the BEST of the images for posting, printing,
displaying...
posted were repetitive. 4 images from the same shooting. They are
not good quality by any standard. Clearly just snapshots, not art.
My apologies if you wasted your time looking at them. My intent was
merely to contribute since I haven't posted since the original E-10
day.
As I browse the site, I notice that there is not a lot of
participation. Perhaps most others are more selective than I.
BTW, Lorey's shots are impressive. Obviously well thought out and
executed flawlessly. Perhaps I will post again if I can ever reach
this level.
Ken Choate
Photo Hack at large
True 'dat. I come here to learn and when something came up that I needed to learn, I whined. Very uncharacteristic of me. of course I will continue to post.I think that Chuck was right when he said that you missed the
point; but, I might put it another way... by seeing ALL criticism
as part of the learning process.
True 'dat. I come here to learn and when something came up that II think that Chuck was right when he said that you missed the
point; but, I might put it another way... by seeing ALL criticism
as part of the learning process.
needed to learn, I whined. Very uncharacteristic of me. of course I
will continue to post.
Ken Choate
Sometimes a sequence of shots can have real power . . . . .
just to throw a spanner in the works
Jono Slack
who can't even scramble together one decent action shot, let alone
a bunch of 'em.
Of course this DID have to happen in a thread about editing
BEFOREHAND!!!!
I think that Chuck was right when he said that you missed the
point; but, I might put it another way... by seeing ALL criticism
as part of the learning process. That includes not only comments
on framing, focus or processing; but, how to be selective as well.
Learning to pick ONE 'best' sample from several competitive
candidates contributes just as much to our growth as photographers
(amateur or pro) as any of the other aspects.
I didn't hear him say that those who posted several were posting
lots of bad pictures... as it seems you may have heard... but, that
of those pictures there was probably one that was a cut above the
others and that part of the process of geting better was
disciplining ourselves to make that cut beforehand.
What DID bother me about youyr reply was this sentence, "Perhaps I
will post again if I can ever reach this level."
Who is assuming that you HAVEN'T??? The critique was on quality;
but, on quantity. So, PLEASE... KEEP on contributing!
In the early days of OC's I used to go to SIGGRAPH. The greatest
thing about SIGGRAPH is the animation festival. There one could
see works done on the world's fastest super-computers or works done
on little 1.4mhz 4-color personal computers. ALL were appreciated
more for their creativity and skill rather than hardware wizardry.
Amateur or Pro... it doesn't matter here. What matters is PROGRESS
and GROWTH... in ALL it's facets.
I hesitate to reply to this but here goes. I'm guilty. The images IChuck Hamilton wrote:
Just because we all own cameras
that can take lots of images and at a very low cost doesn't justify
skipping the editing process--that is, looking critically at your
images and choosing the BEST of the images for posting, printing,
displaying...
posted were repetitive. 4 images from the same shooting. They are
not good quality by any standard. Clearly just snapshots, not art.
My apologies if you wasted your time looking at them. My intent was
merely to contribute since I haven't posted since the original E-10
day.
As I browse the site, I notice that there is not a lot of
participation. Perhaps most others are more selective than I.
BTW, Lorey's shots are impressive. Obviously well thought out and
executed flawlessly. Perhaps I will post again if I can ever reach
this level.
Ken Choate
Photo Hack at large
David
When I first embatked on the project of shooting my daughter's
artwork, I scoured the shelves for good books on photographic
technique. Having purchased FAR too many, I now return, time after
time, to John Hedgecoe's book subtled "How to see and take better
pictures".
Time to resurrect the "international E-10 photographers convention"
idea I saw here a while back. You know, the one where we all stay
over at Jaja's home (he says, tongue-in-cheek ).
I know that photography tends to be a solo pursuit, but what's
wrong with organizing occasional local shoots or crits? Might be
interesting, for example, to meet local E-10 Forum folks right
after the next E-10 Day this fall to show and crit photographs.
Great idea! Now does this mean you are volunteering to get it
organizated???
Chuck
Time to resurrect the "international E-10 photographers convention"
idea I saw here a while back. You know, the one where we all stay
over at Jaja's home (he says, tongue-in-cheek ).
I know that photography tends to be a solo pursuit, but what's
wrong with organizing occasional local shoots or crits? Might be
interesting, for example, to meet local E-10 Forum folks right
after the next E-10 Day this fall to show and crit photographs.
I think the international E-10 convention should be done
Olympic-style. The host country's lead photographer does the
planning. Didn't I hear a suggestion for Belgium and Jaja ?
But I would consider organizing a local Los Angeles area crit, say
following a monthly Challenge or the fall E-10 Day, if there is
enough interest (and I get to define "enough" ).
Are you out this way, Chuck? What can I sign you up to be in
charge of?
Regards,
Paul
Great idea! Now does this mean you are volunteering to get it
organizated???
Chuck
Time to resurrect the "international E-10 photographers convention"
idea I saw here a while back. You know, the one where we all stay
over at Jaja's home (he says, tongue-in-cheek ).
I know that photography tends to be a solo pursuit, but what's
wrong with organizing occasional local shoots or crits? Might be
interesting, for example, to meet local E-10 Forum folks right
after the next E-10 Day this fall to show and crit photographs.
This message is certainly unrequested and I am sure will not please
some of you, without question. Just because we all own cameras
that can take lots of images and at a very low cost doesn't justify
skipping the editing process--that is, looking critically at your
images and chosing the BEST of the images for posting, printing,
displaying...
I just visited this month's E-10 Day site and couldn't believe that
some people have 6-8 versions of one shooting session. Maybe my
beliefs are such because I "cut my photographic teeth" using a 4x5
view camera where with the individual sheet of film in a film
holder forced selectivity in my vision.
For example, one of the finest photographs depicting this month's
theme was posted by Lorey Barnum--actually Lorey posted two but at
different times and with entirely different subjects. BOTH were
well thought out with the "theme" of the month very much in mind
and both depicting that theme wonderfully.
Part of the photographic vision process is in learning to select
the image most appropriate rather than letting the viewer have to
select--this is your responsibility to the viewer.
Nuff said and viewing the theme page is a good visual exercise for
all of us and we should all take a lesson from Lorey's images.
Again, sorry to offend if I have in fact done that, but the same
messages goes for me as well--the added variety of all of our
selectivity will produce a wider variety of images for all of us to
enjoy.
Thanks for your indulgence.
This concept really is a superb idea by the way...and if we get
enough across the globe we could have a really super event...
Chuck
I think the international E-10 convention should be done
Olympic-style. The host country's lead photographer does the
planning. Didn't I hear a suggestion for Belgium and Jaja ?
But I would consider organizing a local Los Angeles area crit, say
following a monthly Challenge or the fall E-10 Day, if there is
enough interest (and I get to define "enough" ).
Are you out this way, Chuck? What can I sign you up to be in
charge of?
Regards,
Paul
Great idea! Now does this mean you are volunteering to get it
organizated???
Chuck
Time to resurrect the "international E-10 photographers convention"
idea I saw here a while back. You know, the one where we all stay
over at Jaja's home (he says, tongue-in-cheek ).
I know that photography tends to be a solo pursuit, but what's
wrong with organizing occasional local shoots or crits? Might be
interesting, for example, to meet local E-10 Forum folks right
after the next E-10 Day this fall to show and crit photographs.
...and as one of you so eloquently put it it is quality not quantity
Hi Chuck,
No relation to "that" David, are you? I took some art history and
photography classes as electives back in coillege, as well as some
extension classes afterwards. But I learned the most about
composition in a TV directing class.
I was kidding about the international convention, but would attend
one in a moment if SOMEONE ELSE organized it . In my experience
volunteering for a national organization's event, something like
this would take at least a year to pull together.
I WILL take a swing at a local Los Angeles critque, provided the
interest is there. Too bad you're in Pennsylvania, I'd grab you as
one of the resident experts.
I agree that digital photography and internet forums like this one
have a great advantage with quick and broadbased feedback. But I
still think the best way to critique is in person.
Best,
Paul
Hi Chuck,
No relation to "that" David, are you?
Afraid you won't find it anymore on Amazon - it was published in 1980 and now long out of print. I had to go to a site handling out of print photo books to find an extra copy--the good news is that it is now "inexpensive" (can't use the word cheap easily LOL)I'll have to look up your book on Amazon.
Afraid you won't find it anymore on Amazon - it was published inI'll have to look up your book on Amazon.
1980 and now long out of print. I had to go to a site handling out
of print photo books to find an extra copy--the good news is that
it is now "inexpensive" (can't use the word cheap easily LOL)
Chuck
