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Does anyone plan on upgrading from either Windows 2000 0r Windows Me to Windows XP when it is released?
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Eugene Powers
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Have not given it any thought -- we are pretty much at the top of the OS evolution tree and have been since 95.
There are no great improvements in XP - a few tweaks and most stuff, as usual can be downloaded separately, the XP move is one I'd probably do but my days of running the latest OS are finished.
I don't think this one really caught anyone imagination this time -- despite an unprecedented advertising campaign on TV, radio and billboards - in my home town anyway - it just doe not seem to be getting through to people - I did not even know about what it was until it came up in this forum a week or so back.
There are no great improvements in XP - a few tweaks and most stuff, as usual can be downloaded separately, the XP move is one I'd probably do but my days of running the latest OS are finished.
I don't think this one really caught anyone imagination this time -- despite an unprecedented advertising campaign on TV, radio and billboards - in my home town anyway - it just doe not seem to be getting through to people - I did not even know about what it was until it came up in this forum a week or so back.
rick23035
Leading Member
Eugene:
I change hardware to often to make XP a consideration.
Win 2000 may be stable with current software but I tried to load VB 4.0 and 2000 locked up, then went into a part-load/reboot cycle that could not be broken. Since VB 4.0 is needed for one particular customer, Win 2000 is out.
rick
I change hardware to often to make XP a consideration.
Win 2000 may be stable with current software but I tried to load VB 4.0 and 2000 locked up, then went into a part-load/reboot cycle that could not be broken. Since VB 4.0 is needed for one particular customer, Win 2000 is out.
rick
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Dick-
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Are you confusing XP with ME?...XP OS will not be out until October...(current schedule) ME is a superset of 98 if you severly modify the sys files and eliminate the Restore features...dm
Pasha
Leading Member
i actuall have the winxp beta running on one of my machines... it's getting a little more stable, and is overall a good os... it's a good merge between the personal and networking platforms and should be a must for anyone running a home network with a fast (dsl/cable) connection... it also seems to utilize hardware better to handle graphics...
all of that said, it's still rather buggy... i wouldn't install it on my primary workstations untill at least x-mas when they finally work out the bugs...
all of that said, it's still rather buggy... i wouldn't install it on my primary workstations untill at least x-mas when they finally work out the bugs...
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Dick-
Guest
I agree...I am using a highly modified version of ME to do just that...cable and home network...works like a charm... dm
Todd Morrison29263
Well-known member
One other problem with XP, you have to obtain a code from Microsoft by phone (we all no how easy it is to reach any tech company by phone).
This code locks the OS to your hardware configuration so you cannot move to other machines (apparently they will let you place it on one other computer).
The bad part about this is if you change your hardware configuration dramatically XP will lock up and will not unlock until you contact microsoft and obtain a new code. This would be fun if you were shooting on location with your laptop.
I think this form of control over my OS is not going to work for me, I may switch to Macs when OSX gets smoothed out.
Todd Morrison
This code locks the OS to your hardware configuration so you cannot move to other machines (apparently they will let you place it on one other computer).
The bad part about this is if you change your hardware configuration dramatically XP will lock up and will not unlock until you contact microsoft and obtain a new code. This would be fun if you were shooting on location with your laptop.
I think this form of control over my OS is not going to work for me, I may switch to Macs when OSX gets smoothed out.
Todd Morrison
Chris Epler
Leading Member
Pasha
Leading Member
there's a lot of misunderstanding about the activation procedure of these products...
i recently upgraded a company to office xp, and spend hours on the phone with my microsoft rep to get the lowdown on the whole activation thing...
what i heard was mirrored in this article...
http://www.hardocp.com/articles/windows/xp_piracy.html
Microsoft will unoficially give you up to 10 registrations without any questions... each time you install any of the XP series products a unique activation key will be generated... this key is generated by a unique formula which takes into account pieces of hardware installed on your machine...
i recently upgraded a company to office xp, and spend hours on the phone with my microsoft rep to get the lowdown on the whole activation thing...
what i heard was mirrored in this article...
http://www.hardocp.com/articles/windows/xp_piracy.html
Microsoft will unoficially give you up to 10 registrations without any questions... each time you install any of the XP series products a unique activation key will be generated... this key is generated by a unique formula which takes into account pieces of hardware installed on your machine...
Chris Epler
Leading Member
Quicken started doing this with their products. It's annoying as hell. I reinstall my OS completely several times a year, often several times a MONTH. There is no way I'm going to bother with XP if I have to contact Microsoft to reinstall, no way in hell.
f8&bethere
Forum Enthusiast
Second that. If enough people reject this OS then Microsoft will have to stop their gready ways. They charge too much as it is let alone making me try to reach them for approval for each install. As it is I can't stand typing in the key to activate the current operating systems. I have many computers, some with Windows 2000, Win 98, Win Me, Mac 9.1 and Mac X. Apple doesn't make you even enter a key let alone this logging of OS ownership that Microsoft wants to impose. Theft is a big problem but don't make legit owners of overpriced software suffer.Subject says it all.
I will not bother with XP unless needed software requires it. Thank God for the Macintosh. Competition is beautiful.
Todd Morrison29263
Well-known member
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Dick-
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This is the beauty of the PC...there will be a hack to bypass the registration limit on XP before it is released... but you have to know somethng about computers...
Second that. If enough people reject this OS then Microsoft willSubject says it all.
have to stop their gready ways. They charge too much as it is let
alone making me try to reach them for approval for each install.
As it is I can't stand typing in the key to activate the current
operating systems. I have many computers, some with Windows 2000,
Win 98, Win Me, Mac 9.1 and Mac X. Apple doesn't make you even
enter a key let alone this logging of OS ownership that Microsoft
wants to impose. Theft is a big problem but don't make legit
owners of overpriced software suffer.
I will not bother with XP unless needed software requires it.
Thank God for the Macintosh. Competition is beautiful.
Pasha
Leading Member
there has been a hack out for every version of winxp out so far... not a hack, really, it's a straight out serial number that does not require you to activate... i've also seen the serial number for the office xp floating around some of the more shadier forums...
Second that. If enough people reject this OS then Microsoft willSubject says it all.
have to stop their gready ways. They charge too much as it is let
alone making me try to reach them for approval for each install.
As it is I can't stand typing in the key to activate the current
operating systems. I have many computers, some with Windows 2000,
Win 98, Win Me, Mac 9.1 and Mac X. Apple doesn't make you even
enter a key let alone this logging of OS ownership that Microsoft
wants to impose. Theft is a big problem but don't make legit
owners of overpriced software suffer.
I will not bother with XP unless needed software requires it.
Thank God for the Macintosh. Competition is beautiful.
Johnny Apertureseed
Leading Member
It makes no sense for me to upgrade to Windows XP (or is that "downgrade"?), but that's because I'm on a Mac. ;-)
Stan Disbrow
Veteran Member
Ben,
I'm not too interested in installing a OS that makes me buy the licence again when I make a major update to my system.
Maybe it won't be a real problem, but the idea of having to re-purchase the licence after three installs really irks me. I like to periodically switch out hard disks as a maintenance procedure, and this requires a reload of the OS. Also, a reload is a good way to get rid of leftover parts of applications that are no longer used and have been incompletely uninstalled.
Then there is the whole issue of loading applications from vendors that aren't paying MS a royalty and having XP decide that you really don't want to run that app, and automatically calling up an different one.
I have the feeling, though, that the marketplace is going to give MS such grief over these issues, that MS will change XP and the problem will go away. The Justice Department may have dropped the monopoly suit, but they can always reactivate it later if there is a lot of static over MS playing monopoly games......
Personally, the only way I'm switching from Win 2k to anything else is when there is some super new application that I can't live without and only runs under the new OS. Heck, I kept running IBM's OS/2 on half my Intel based machines for two years after MS released 95 before finally switching to NT. Now, NT was pretty much a dog of an OS, but Win 2K has corrected the bad parts of NT whilst keeping the parts that made it more stable than 95/98.
All I can say is that MS had better be careful. We run Apple Macintosh for 1/3 of our computer systems as it is. I can see myself slowly replacing the Intel/Windows machines as they age with Motorola/Apple machines if Microsoft wants to play too many games. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would contemplate this kind of a change, either.
Stan
I'm not too interested in installing a OS that makes me buy the licence again when I make a major update to my system.
Maybe it won't be a real problem, but the idea of having to re-purchase the licence after three installs really irks me. I like to periodically switch out hard disks as a maintenance procedure, and this requires a reload of the OS. Also, a reload is a good way to get rid of leftover parts of applications that are no longer used and have been incompletely uninstalled.
Then there is the whole issue of loading applications from vendors that aren't paying MS a royalty and having XP decide that you really don't want to run that app, and automatically calling up an different one.
I have the feeling, though, that the marketplace is going to give MS such grief over these issues, that MS will change XP and the problem will go away. The Justice Department may have dropped the monopoly suit, but they can always reactivate it later if there is a lot of static over MS playing monopoly games......
Personally, the only way I'm switching from Win 2k to anything else is when there is some super new application that I can't live without and only runs under the new OS. Heck, I kept running IBM's OS/2 on half my Intel based machines for two years after MS released 95 before finally switching to NT. Now, NT was pretty much a dog of an OS, but Win 2K has corrected the bad parts of NT whilst keeping the parts that made it more stable than 95/98.
All I can say is that MS had better be careful. We run Apple Macintosh for 1/3 of our computer systems as it is. I can see myself slowly replacing the Intel/Windows machines as they age with Motorola/Apple machines if Microsoft wants to play too many games. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would contemplate this kind of a change, either.
Stan
TonyK_in_Texas
Senior Member
No. And it is not so much about the activation key as I do not see any value for the money. I have 98 and 98SE available to me. I run a Linux box for a web server and a firewall. Once there are more drivers out for things I use every day, I might fully switch. Until then the software I have works just fine. I want to get some value for what I've paid for.
TonyK_in_Texas
Senior Member
Hey,
Jump to this thread ( http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&page=1&message=1245715 ) and look at the next few messages. I now have clear cut reason to not upgrade.
Thanks.
Jump to this thread ( http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&page=1&message=1245715 ) and look at the next few messages. I now have clear cut reason to not upgrade.
Thanks.
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