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Ti X said:
Joe,

Understood, as you have invested about $20K more than me in a
system, it must be a difficult decision. I believe my original
question was not phrased properly, and it should have read plainly,
would you switch to another brand if you thought the technology was
better for you?, and not "better than Canon". But, we are in the
Canon forum, so I referred to Canon. Like I said before, I would
readily switch to another brand, and if a D2X, 7D, S3, or such
provides me with enough advantage over my 1DMKII, I will buy it.
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Well good for you... you are totally astute... how wonderful to be blessed with your sense...
Ti X said:
WVJoe said:
Ti X said:
To Nikon, Pentax, Minolta, or another brand if the technology was
better than Canon? I ask because it seems like Nikon owners
especially are holding on to yesterdays news for no reason other
than ego? I would readily switch to whatever brand as long as that
brand provides me with enough advantage over my current system to
justify switching.
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Well let me tell you it is a very tortuous decision. I had already
ordered a 1DsM2 and my dealer has it in the store as of yesterday.
I called him this morning to cancel. It's not so simple as
choosing what is the very latest iteration of technology.

I am what you might call a serious amateur as I have more than $30K
invested in Nikon gear. It has nothing to do with ego. I want the
Canon, but after the $8K body then there are lenses, filters,
flash, etc. and my Nikon glass would have to be sold at bargain
prices to buy the new glass.

I had second thoughts because there may be very little or no
noticeable difference between the D2x and the 1DsM2 in discernable
image quality. That remains to be seen. I have poured through
this and other forums the 1DsM2 has its problems also (focusing and
vignetting). So it is not as easy to just jump to the latest and
greatest as it may seem.

On the other hand, I am so unsure right now that I may go in
tomorrow and buy the 1DsM2.

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I'm already liking the sound and PRICE of the new Nikon D2x.

(It would just suck having to sell all my Canon lenses)
Gizmoboy said:
Ti X said:
Joe,

Understood, as you have invested about $20K more than me in a
system, it must be a difficult decision. I believe my original
question was not phrased properly, and it should have read plainly,
would you switch to another brand if you thought the technology was
better for you?, and not "better than Canon". But, we are in the
Canon forum, so I referred to Canon. Like I said before, I would
readily switch to another brand, and if a D2X, 7D, S3, or such
provides me with enough advantage over my 1DMKII, I will buy it.
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Well good for you... you are totally astute... how wonderful to be
blessed with your sense...
Gizmoboy said:
WVJoe said:
Ti X said:
To Nikon, Pentax, Minolta, or another brand if the technology was
better than Canon? I ask because it seems like Nikon owners
especially are holding on to yesterdays news for no reason other
than ego? I would readily switch to whatever brand as long as that
brand provides me with enough advantage over my current system to
justify switching.
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Well let me tell you it is a very tortuous decision. I had already
ordered a 1DsM2 and my dealer has it in the store as of yesterday.
I called him this morning to cancel. It's not so simple as
choosing what is the very latest iteration of technology.

I am what you might call a serious amateur as I have more than $30K
invested in Nikon gear. It has nothing to do with ego. I want the
Canon, but after the $8K body then there are lenses, filters,
flash, etc. and my Nikon glass would have to be sold at bargain
prices to buy the new glass.

I had second thoughts because there may be very little or no
noticeable difference between the D2x and the 1DsM2 in discernable
image quality. That remains to be seen. I have poured through
this and other forums the 1DsM2 has its problems also (focusing and
vignetting). So it is not as easy to just jump to the latest and
greatest as it may seem.

On the other hand, I am so unsure right now that I may go in
tomorrow and buy the 1DsM2.

--
Joe
Visit my personal space at http://www.pbase.com/wvjoe/pad
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Ti X said:
Joe,

Understood, as you have invested about $20K more than me in a
system, it must be a difficult decision. I believe my original
question was not phrased properly, and it should have read plainly,
would you switch to another brand if you thought the technology was
better for you?, and not "better than Canon". But, we are in the
Canon forum, so I referred to Canon. Like I said before, I would
readily switch to another brand, and if a D2X, 7D, S3, or such
provides me with enough advantage over my 1DMKII, I will buy it.
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I really, really like the idea of a FF/larger sensor. It doesn't appear at this time that Nikon is heading in that direction, but one never knows for sure. It used to be with film that the body was not quite as important as the glass in producing the image, but with digital, the sensor and thus the body takes on much greater significance. With film you kept a body for a long time. With digital though, every six months something new is coming.

That's where I am at now...deciding whether the technology provides enough advatage to make the painful switch worthwhile. Thanks for asking 'Ti X' and have a happy holiday!

Joe

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Ti X,

In overall reality all those brands offer suitable technology for most shooters. I suggest that one marries into a brand based on personal subjective reasons. Images can be made from any of these brands' better cameras and if not labled as such , you nor I would be able to tell one from the other in most cases.

No one brand holds such a leap in technology that it is clearly above all others. Every D-SLR today is capable of making stunning images. The 1DSmkII may have a technological edge in terms of resolution etc., but in reality the D2X will make as nice of images. The D-70 may offer a few more things than a 300D or *ist-d, but in reality you would not see any difference.

Again marry into a brand that you are comfortable with and of course your personal biases will play a roll. I've shot professionally for years Canon 35mm. I loved my T-90 among others, I am biased towards Canon. I know it is a brand that is top notch, I bought a 10D as my first D-SLR and did so thinking it was the bst model for my tastes, and ways I'll use it. But I bought an Oly E-10 as a backup for reasons of value to peformance. If had lived with Nikon or Pentax etc. for years , I'd probably have stuck with those brands. I know they will make as nice pics overall as any Canon. But my personl bias and subjective feelings to how a camera fits my hand, style and tastes, kept me to Canon. I likely will never change now, but being free person may one day. But no reason will be based on some subjective idea that one brand is so much better technologically over the others, but my change would fall back to a subjective and emotional reason.
Ti X said:
To Nikon, Pentax, Minolta, or another brand if the technology was
better than Canon? I ask because it seems like Nikon owners
especially are holding on to yesterdays news for no reason other
than ego? I would readily switch to whatever brand as long as that
brand provides me with enough advantage over my current system to
justify switching.
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Hey, that same kid lives in me, too, Joe.

But to respond to your original question more directly, at this point I could not envision switching brands (in my case Canon to, say Nikon). I've been a Canon shooter nearly exclusively since 1974. Today I have several bodies and a substantial inventory of Canon glass. I've reached digital photography equipment nirvana and do not foresee making a change in 35mm/SLR brands for the rest of my photo life (which will probably not be as long as most other folks here).

I could, however, envision adopting a new brand for a different format. In fact, I'm buying a lightly-used Leica M6 from a close friend next month.

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I shot Nikon for over 30 years. In that time, I also had an assortment of medium format cameras. When I decided to go all digital, I had Nikon FA, Rollei 6006, and Horseman 6X9.

I put my stuff on eBay and got enough to buy whatever I wanted. I decided to go Canon and got a 10D, half a dozen lenses, and even went to Kirk and Gitzo for tripods.

At this point, I'm quite happy with Canon. I've upgraded to the 1D and the 1Ds, and think their stuff is great. However, looking back, I'm not convinced that staying Nikon wouldn't have been just as good.

You might get a Nikon digital body and try that with your existing lenses. They really don't even have to be auto focus. In digital, you need only to shoot, look and adjust.

I have a friend who is a professional photographer shooting Nikon digital. I sold my stuff without talking to him, thinking the lenses would be incompatible. He was bummed when he found I'd sold my 105 F4 micro, and told me he always wanted one. When I told him it would mount but not meter on his camera, he said he hadn't used a meter in three years.

I second the comments on your photos. Great stuff.

Ed
WVJoe said:
Ti X said:
To Nikon, Pentax, Minolta, or another brand if the technology was
better than Canon? I ask because it seems like Nikon owners
especially are holding on to yesterdays news for no reason other
than ego? I would readily switch to whatever brand as long as that
brand provides me with enough advantage over my current system to
justify switching.
Click to expand...
Well let me tell you it is a very tortuous decision. I had already
ordered a 1DsM2 and my dealer has it in the store as of yesterday.
I called him this morning to cancel. It's not so simple as
choosing what is the very latest iteration of technology.

I am what you might call a serious amateur as I have more than $30K
invested in Nikon gear. It has nothing to do with ego. I want the
Canon, but after the $8K body then there are lenses, filters,
flash, etc. and my Nikon glass would have to be sold at bargain
prices to buy the new glass.

I had second thoughts because there may be very little or no
noticeable difference between the D2x and the 1DsM2 in discernable
image quality. That remains to be seen. I have poured through
this and other forums the 1DsM2 has its problems also (focusing and
vignetting). So it is not as easy to just jump to the latest and
greatest as it may seem.

On the other hand, I am so unsure right now that I may go in
tomorrow and buy the 1DsM2.

--
Joe
Visit my personal space at http://www.pbase.com/wvjoe/pad
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Ti X said:
To Nikon, Pentax, Minolta, or another brand if the technology was
better than Canon?
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Probably not likely since Nikon owners have been switching over to Canon for years now to get better technology. All the other manufacturers have one thing or another that is interesting or novel (Nikon wireless, Minolta in-body IS) but none of them provide an entire line of outstanding pro and consumer cameras that lead every category for best performance. Gimmicks like body IS and wireless are nice but I think the chance that any competitor will field the likes of the 1DsII, 1DII, 20D and dRebel at the same time is highly unlikely.
 
DD2.1 said:
Ti X said:
To Nikon, Pentax, Minolta, or another brand if the technology was
better than Canon?
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Probably not likely since Nikon owners have been switching over to
Canon for years now to get better technology. All the other
manufacturers have one thing or another that is interesting or
novel (Nikon wireless, Minolta in-body IS) but none of them provide
an entire line of outstanding pro and consumer cameras that lead
every category for best performance. Gimmicks like body IS and
wireless are nice but I think the chance that any competitor will
field the likes of the 1DsII, 1DII, 20D and dRebel at the same time
is highly unlikely.
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I will immediately setup a shrine to these models and revolve my schedule around constant prayer to them. Thank you Canon for lightening my heart - I am FOREVER in you service...
 
DD2.1 said:
Probably not likely since Nikon owners have been switching over to
Canon for years now to get better technology.
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Not all of them have yet, but its going to happen some time in the future. The mass exodus to Canon will continue with Nikon ending up serving just a niche market ( I know of at least one person (?) who might join in)

And when the D3 finally hits the shelves in late 2008(after a mid 2006 announcement), you will see die hard Nikonians going out in droves to buy the 16MP, 1/1.8" ccd, ISOmax 400 camera !
 
Tim Chakravorty said:
Not all of them have yet, but its going to happen some time in
the future. The mass exodus to Canon will continue with Nikon
ending up serving just a niche market ( I know of at least one
person (?) who might join in)
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First off, I highly doubt "all" Nikon users will switch. For that to happen, their product would have to be complete junk. Speaking as a Canon user, I've held and shot their cameras -- they're not junk. Nikon will still be around it's just a question of how strong a presence they'll be.

You know, you really should want them to be strong and robust. The only things that keeps Canon honest are the Nikon, Fuji and Olympus. Frankly, I already think that Canon's lead is too great for Canon's own good. Complacency is bound to set in.
 
AceVentura1962 said:
You know, you really should want them to be strong and robust. The
only things that keeps Canon honest are the Nikon, Fuji and
Olympus. Frankly, I already think that Canon's lead is too great
for Canon's own good. Complacency is bound to set in.
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Ace, you are absolutely right. However, does Timmys ranting(s) suggest he is capable of comprehending this?
 
Ti X said:
To Nikon, Pentax, Minolta, or another brand if the technology was
better than Canon? I ask because it seems like Nikon owners
especially are holding on to yesterdays news for no reason other
than ego? I would readily switch to whatever brand as long as that
brand provides me with enough advantage over my current system to
justify switching.
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Gizmoboy said:
AceVentura1962 said:
You know, you really should want them to be strong and robust. The
only things that keeps Canon honest are the Nikon, Fuji and
Olympus. Frankly, I already think that Canon's lead is too great
for Canon's own good. Complacency is bound to set in.
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Ya know, I really shoulda listened to you further up the post. He is ranting, isn't he?
 
With AS tech, I think they have a huge advantage that many of the other don't. Put that in 9D body + 12MP or so, and it would be very tempting. Some months before the D2X was announced there was a rumor about a 9D class KM camera sporting a 12MP CMOS sensor. At the time, I thought it was rubbish but then the D2X 12MP Sensor was announced.....

Nikon has nothing worth switching to (or away from with the D2H @

One of the aspects I like on Canon is that the Cameras fit like a well formed glove and I am very used to all of the controls. In short, the ergonomics rock for me.

Steven
Ti X said:
To Nikon, Pentax, Minolta, or another brand if the technology was
better than Canon? I ask because it seems like Nikon owners
especially are holding on to yesterdays news for no reason other
than ego? I would readily switch to whatever brand as long as that
brand provides me with enough advantage over my current system to
justify switching.
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For me to sell off my lenses at this point. Yes, the camera bodies come and go, but the lenses are a real investment. Someone else would have to have a really compelling story for me to switch at this point, and I'd have to be discontent with Canon's business/technology path.

Teski
Ti X said:
To Nikon, Pentax, Minolta, or another brand if the technology was
better than Canon? I ask because it seems like Nikon owners
especially are holding on to yesterdays news for no reason other
than ego? I would readily switch to whatever brand as long as that
brand provides me with enough advantage over my current system to
justify switching.
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... it would be interesting to dig up this thread and see what really happened. Don't know if Phil Askey and Co. will even be around in 10 years....

WE may not be around in 10 years... mortality rates being what they are, and the demographics of posters being what they are (male, middle age or older), chances are good that > 10% of the people participating on this forum (or the Nikon forum) will be DEAD in 10 years!

Thought I'd put some of this stuff in perspective

-gt

PS Of course I'd switch. More likely just add another toy to the stable. Thinking of doing that right now, with either a *istDs (for the pocket carry) or the S3 (because digital cameras look too digital to me and I'd like to find one that reminds me of film...)
Ti X said:
To Nikon, Pentax, Minolta, or another brand if the technology was
better than Canon? I ask because it seems like Nikon owners
especially are holding on to yesterdays news for no reason other
than ego? I would readily switch to whatever brand as long as that
brand provides me with enough advantage over my current system to
justify switching.
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