Nikon D70 vs. Olympus E-1 mini review [Warning: large post]

I'm wondering if centre-weighted metering might
be superior to matrix metering for the sorts of subjects you have
just mentioned.
Well, with the results I get, it seems the ESP is indeed centre-weighted. It tends to expose the centre of the frame correcly (based on 18% reflectance) and disregard the edges of the frame completely. But shouldn't it be smarter than that? If not, what's the difference between ESP and centre-weighted?

If I designed a digital camera, I would try to make a metering mode where it protects the highlight first and foremost.

Jörgen
 
As a new E1 owner coming from a D70, I agree with just about everything in your review. An excellent effort and write-up. Thanks.

The E1 certainly has a few flaws. I think Nikon knows AF SLR cameras better than Olympus. Of course, Nikon has more experience. As a loyal Nikon SLR owner, starting with a Nikon FG more than 20 years ago, I find it a bit strange I am now using an Olympus.

I take pictures of people, and color is everything to me. I find the D70 a bit... I'm not sure. I look and look and well, they are excellent in terms of sharpness, detail, and yet somehow... I tried all the settings; I even tried the landscape color mode on people. Then I kept seeing samples from the E1, and I thought I wish the D70 had those colors, so I switched. With a small fortune in Nikon optics, you don't know how hard that was. If the D70 was a film SLR, I would keep the camera and just try another film.

The only thing that really bothers me about the E1 is the size of its RAW ORF files. The D70 NEF files are about 5 MB and the E1 are twice as big. It's not just the additional storage space these files consumes, but the annoying part is waiting twice as long to transfer the files. Other than this, I could live with all the little idiosyncracies of the E1.

Nikon, if you give me Kodacolors like the E1, I'll be back.
 
As a new E1 owner coming from a D70, I agree with just about
everything in your review. An excellent effort and write-up.
Thanks.
You're welcome. Thanks for the kind words.
The only thing that really bothers me about the E1 is the size of
its RAW ORF files. The D70 NEF files are about 5 MB and the E1 are
twice as big. It's not just the additional storage space these
files consumes, but the annoying part is waiting twice as long to
transfer the files. Other than this, I could live with all the
little idiosyncracies of the E1.
Although this doesn't shorten the tranfer time from the card to the computer, I now use Adobe DNG to compress the ORFs. Compression ratio is about 1:2.
Nikon, if you give me Kodacolors like the E1, I'll be back.
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Mskad.
 
After reading through this thread, it "appears" to me that the initial consideration of the D70 being considerably better in "sharpness", was due to the initiator comparing the wrong photo's. And that ultimately - when comparing the same focus point photo's w/comparable aperatures - they both rang out to be almost identical "in Sharpness"....... Is that right? I believe that was the only "image quality" issue where this post initially projected the D70 to be the winner.

Is my above interpretation accurate?

Thanks,

Bob
[also posted in the D70 forum]
Yes, it’s another non scientific comparison between 2 DSLRs. I just
thought that this might help someone so here it is.

I own the E-1 and a friend of mine kindly let me have his D70 to
play with for the weekend (for the second time this month!). I used
the Nikon 18-70mm kit lens and a 50mm f/1.8 AF-D. With my Olympus,
I used the Zuiko 14-54mm f/2.8-3.5. All the pictures I took were
RAW, converted with PS CS.

Construction
D70 is really nice (hey, I owned a DRebel, I know what I’m talking
about), but it can’t compare to the E-1 which is built like a tank.
E-1 is a clear winner here.

Handling
The D70 feels smaller, lighter and definitely more responsive than
the E-1 but I prefer the layout of the controls on the E-1. For me,
it’s a tie.

Viewfinder
The E-1 viewfinder is brighter, bigger and more accurate. And yes,
you can effectively manual focus with the E-1. It’s another clear
win for the E-1.





Auto focus
D70 is way faster and more accurate than E-1. Also, even without
the AF assist lamp, the D70 can focus in really dim situations. E-1
auto focus hunts quite often on low contrast targets, dim scenes or
when a geometric pattern is present. D70 wins big times.

Metering
The D70 matrix metering does a really nice job and is really
effective in preventing blown highlights, but images are kind of
underexposed when shooting low contrast or low light scenes. In the
other hand, the E-1 is close to the perfection. Both offer spot
metering, which is great. D70 does great, but can’t beat the E-1.

Image review and Information
Frankly, the E-1 sucks in that domain. With its instant image
review and direct histogram the D70 is the logical winner.

Automatic white balance
Another exceptional feature of the E-1, even in very challenging
mixed lighting situations. The D70 does an average job. E-1 wins
hands down.

Image quality and noise
Color accuracy, color rendering and dynamic range are second to
none with the E-1 (of all the DSLRs I have ever tried or owned).
The D70 does a good (very good if you fine tune PS Raw converter
parameters) job, but the result is not as pleasant as what you
consistently get with the E-1.

Resolution wise, the D70 is way ahead, no matter what. I tried
different sharpening techniques on the E-1 images, but there are
definitively less details than what you can squeeze out of the D70
images. And I have been careful to compare what is comparable: I
framed my pictures so the magnification ratio was the same between
the D70 (6 mega-pixels and 3x2 aspect ratio) and the E-1 (5
mega-pixels and 4x3 aspect ratio). In other words, I cropped (not
downsized, cropped) the D70 images to the size of an E-1 image.





Noise wise, the E-1 does slightly better than the D70 up to ISO
400. Above that, the D70 is much nicer. Actually, I should say that
the D70 is spectacular and compares very well against the Canon
10D/DRebel. But I also noticed that the D70’s high ISO (800 and up)
sensitivity is apparently overrated. Using the two cameras at ISO
800, same shutter speed and same f/stop, the D70 pictures are
obviously and constantly underexposed by at less one f/stop.

Bottom line in the image quality department: E-1 wins for color and
dynamic range, D70 is the winner in regards of resolution and noise
levels with high ISO.

Lenses (Olympus Zuiko 14-54 f/2.8-3.5 vs. Nikon 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5)
The Olympus lens is faster, better built, aberration free and sharp
from center to corners. The Nikon is incredibly sharp (center) but
corners are soft wide open. Also, barrel distortion is severe at
18mm and vignetting is serious, although both are easily corrected
with PS Raw converter and PT-Lens. The Olympus 14-54mm wins.

Miscellaneous features
The E-1’s anti dust system is very effective. Also, the E-1 has an
in camera automatic hot pixel mapping function that I like very
much.

Conclusion
Both cameras are awesome. The D70 handles very well, is super
responsive and fast and has a very effective AF and metering
systems. High ISO noise is very low compared to the E-1 (but might
be overrated). Resolution is insane.

The E-1 is built like a tank and handles very well also. The 100%
viewfinder is bright, large and very sharp. White balance and
metering are second to none (of all the DSLRs I’ve ever tried or
owned). Overall image quality is spectacular but I could do with
more resolution. High ISO noise is very present, but you can easily
deal with it with Neat Image or equivalent at ISO 800. The AF could
definitely be improved.

For low light / high ISO shooting conditions, I would definitely
recommend the D70 over the E-1.





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Mskad.
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Bobmax
 
Because Adobe Camera Raw sucks when compared to Nikon Capture. What you see in ACR's final result is what Nikon Capture shows as "quick" preview. Then it applies the "secret sauce" and the resulting image hits you like a ton of bricks.
 
Hi Mskad

Nicely done - great review. There are, however, a couple of things which spring to mind with respect to resolution.

Looking at the comparison shots, in the top pair, the E1 shot has considerably less contrast and sharpening than the D70 shot - does this have anything to do with the resolution?

Another point - I guess you shot RAW with the E1? I've done so many comparisons between RAW and .jpg that I'm fed up with it now, but one thing which seemed to me to be consistently true was that the resolution was better with .jpg than with all but he High-Speed conversion in Studio.

Now, clearly the D70 has more pixels which equals more resolution, but if you were cropping it to match - they should be the same. I'd be interested to see a comparison between the D70 and high quality .jpg on the E1 with contrast at -1 and sharpness at +3.

Before I bought the E1 I did a lot of resolution comparisons with the D100, and came to the conclusion that the E1 was at least as good. Terribly difficult to be subjective about these things.

Otherwise - great job.

kind regards
--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
 
Sorry - Don't know enough about capture, ARC, etc. to understand what you are indicating. Does this mean that the "sharpness" of the Oly E-1 is equivelant to the D70 (all things being equal - shooting modes, same software used to produce the image (out of the camera) etc. ...... Or not? Or are you saying that the way his samples were shot, they can't be compared?

Bob
Because Adobe Camera Raw sucks when compared to Nikon Capture. What
you see in ACR's final result is what Nikon Capture shows as
"quick" preview. Then it applies the "secret sauce" and the
resulting image hits you like a ton of bricks.
--
Bobmax
 
Are both sharper and show more pleasing color rendition than Adobe Camera Raw. Myself, I haven't shot E-1, so I can't say which camera has higher resolution. I've just pointed out that Adobe Camera Raw doesn't do justice to D70.
 
For those of you asking about resolution and sharpness:

All pics. have been shot in RAW mode, processed with Adobe ACR and sharpened to my best knowledge.

I compared shots taken at the same focal length, so the E1 pictures are like a 5MP crop of the D70 pics. In other words, no bias toward the D70.

I found that the E1 didn't focus as consistently as the D70 did, and some shots are sharper then others. But still, the best E1 pictures are behind the D70 resolution wise. In fact, big times.

BTW, since this mini review, I bought a D70 (although I plan to keep the E1).
Hi Mskad
Nicely done - great review. There are, however, a couple of things
which spring to mind with respect to resolution.

Looking at the comparison shots, in the top pair, the E1 shot has
considerably less contrast and sharpening than the D70 shot - does
this have anything to do with the resolution?

Another point - I guess you shot RAW with the E1? I've done so
many comparisons between RAW and .jpg that I'm fed up with it now,
but one thing which seemed to me to be consistently true was that
the resolution was better with .jpg than with all but he High-Speed
conversion in Studio.

Now, clearly the D70 has more pixels which equals more resolution,
but if you were cropping it to match - they should be the same. I'd
be interested to see a comparison between the D70 and high quality
.jpg on the E1 with contrast at -1 and sharpness at +3.

Before I bought the E1 I did a lot of resolution comparisons with
the D100, and came to the conclusion that the E1 was at least as
good. Terribly difficult to be subjective about these things.

Otherwise - great job.

kind regards
--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
--
Mskad.
 
I have RAW files from so many different cameras (E1, D70, D100, Canon D60, 10D, DRebel, G1, S45) that I can't afford the time and effort to use the manufactuers' own software. Also, with the D70 and kit lens, ACR lets you get rid of the ugly red/green CA.

If you fine tune the "Calibration" tab in ACR, you can get quite decent results with D70 files, pretty close to what you get from Capture, IMO.

In any case, even if ACR doesn't do justice to the D70, it's good enough to make me buy a D70 ;-)

BTW, I also have CaptureOne DSLR LE, but don't use it anymore. I now think that ACR does a better job, although C1 user interface is second to none.
Are both sharper and show more pleasing color rendition than Adobe
Camera Raw. Myself, I haven't shot E-1, so I can't say which
camera has higher resolution. I've just pointed out that Adobe
Camera Raw doesn't do justice to D70.
--
Mskad.
 
For those of you asking about resolution and sharpness:

BTW, since this mini review, I bought a D70 (although I plan to
keep the E1).
I've enjoyed this review a lot. I recently bought a d70 to play around with, and my thoughts about it are pretty positive, the RAW files are capable of coming out beautifully, the jpgs are OK but really fall short of what the camera is capable of. My old camera was a Kodak dcs-330, which I still like a LOT, it has the same sized sensor as the E-1 and produces gorgeous images given enough light - the pictures have a nice feeling of depth and "realness" to them (better than even the d70). The raw files from the 330 are infinitely easier to work with than the d70's, which are larger and much much much much much much slower to open and work with (did I mention they're slow?). The "look" of the d70's images I know can be tweaked and I'm still experimenting, but I'm not sure yet whether I'll keep the camera - it seems RAW is the way to go but it may get pretty frustrating. May consider the evolt when it comes out. Note to Olympus: learn how to compress your RAW files! They're too big.

From just a camera perspective the d70 is far ahead of anything else I've used, like any good piece of equipment it just sort of gets out of the way and lets you do what you want to do while taking pictures. Gotta love that fast flash sync. My only operational complaint would be that it has trouble sometimes focusing in portrait mode (changing to landscape to get a focus lock and then turning it back works, but still). And some of the menus seem a little awkward, especially when reviewing images. But that's being a bit picky.

If Nikon could get their jpg quality up to near the level produced by the RAW files (Canon can do it, why not Nikon) and then basically fire everybody who worked on their RAW software and start from scratch it'd be the best consumer digital SLR ever - by an even wider margin

Rich
 
Noise wise, the E-1 does slightly better than the D70 up to ISO 400. Above that, the D70 is much nicer. Actually, I should say that the D70 is spectacular and compares very well against the Canon 10D/DRebel. But I also noticed that the D70’s high ISO (800 and up) sensitivity is apparently overrated.
And someone else commented that at ISO 200, the E-1 noise is lower, and when you can go for the lowest possible noise by using with each camera at its minimum available ISO (100 for the E-1, 200 for the D70), the E-1's advantage is, as expected, slightly larger.

If true, this is interesting; for those of us who mostly use ISO 100-400, noise might actually be less of a problem than for the D70 (though not much of a problem for either camera at low ISO). This does fit with the apparently great ability to extract details from deep shadows in ISO 100 E-1 shots.

The reversal in favor of the D70 at higher ISO settings, and more generally the fact that the E-1 noise graphs kick up at high ISO more than for other DSLRs, suggests that the D70 and most other cameras apply various amounts of "noise control" at higher ISO settings. Fuji has said that they adjust in-camera processing at higher ISO levels to keep noise under control (a perfectly valid approach, like the lower resolution of higher ISO films), but maybe almost everyone does this to some extent. Possibly Olympus is being very "purist" about this, leaving noise reduction to post-processing, but maybe as with auto-focus, they are simply a bit behind the state-of-the-art for in-camera processing.
 
Mskad, thanks for this review. I'm also a D70 owner. I love my D70, but I have been looking at the E1 as well. I think the E1 is a sleeper.

I'm considering purchasing an E1 as a backup camera. This is a great review to read to help me decide. I hope you enjoy the good old Delta 70.

The only problem I have with the E1 is the fact that nobody in my area sells the body or the glass. I would be forced to buy glass online.

I can go ten minutes in any given direction from my house to buy glass for the D70.

Again, they both are great cameras in my opinion.
All pics. have been shot in RAW mode, processed with Adobe ACR and
sharpened to my best knowledge.

I compared shots taken at the same focal length, so the E1
pictures are like a 5MP crop of the D70 pics. In other words, no
bias toward the D70.

I found that the E1 didn't focus as consistently as the D70 did,
and some shots are sharper then others. But still, the best E1
pictures are behind the D70 resolution wise. In fact, big times.

BTW, since this mini review, I bought a D70 (although I plan to
keep the E1).
Hi Mskad
Nicely done - great review. There are, however, a couple of things
which spring to mind with respect to resolution.

Looking at the comparison shots, in the top pair, the E1 shot has
considerably less contrast and sharpening than the D70 shot - does
this have anything to do with the resolution?

Another point - I guess you shot RAW with the E1? I've done so
many comparisons between RAW and .jpg that I'm fed up with it now,
but one thing which seemed to me to be consistently true was that
the resolution was better with .jpg than with all but he High-Speed
conversion in Studio.

Now, clearly the D70 has more pixels which equals more resolution,
but if you were cropping it to match - they should be the same. I'd
be interested to see a comparison between the D70 and high quality
.jpg on the E1 with contrast at -1 and sharpness at +3.

Before I bought the E1 I did a lot of resolution comparisons with
the D100, and came to the conclusion that the E1 was at least as
good. Terribly difficult to be subjective about these things.

Otherwise - great job.

kind regards
--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
--
Mskad.
--
Available light is any damn light that is available!
W. Eugene Smith
 
Possibly Olympus is being
very "purist" about this, leaving noise reduction to
post-processing, but maybe as with auto-focus, they are simply a
bit behind the state-of-the-art for in-camera processing.
Two points.

1) ISO 1600 cleans up extremely well on the E-1, so I do believe Oly is doing the purist thing. In any case, I don't even think twice about using ISO 1600. We know that the "lower" end Canon DSLR's perform processing on even their RAW images (D-Rebel, 10D, etc.).

2) Oly jpegs and color are too good to be behind in state of the art processing.

Ok, here's a third -- E-1 low light focusing needs work. I hope Oly improves this with firmware or future lenses (or both)......

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http://www.pbase.com/drog
 
Mskad, I liked your language, style and presentation very much.

--
one word, lower case, legal -winddancing
 
The dust issue was a joke and IMO nothing short of a serious design flaw. I tend to shoot images in dusty environments and changing lenses is simply a no-no with such D-SLRs.

Besides sensor dust the white balance performance was mediocre at best and I don't really want to comment on the accuracy of greens.

Unless someone else will release a camera with an anti-dust solution I will go Olympus (E-3) next spring. Maybe Minolta's AS may help a little ? It's not meant as anti-dust but it feels somehow related.

Fortunately I don't have any immdiate need for a D-SLR so I can sit and wait for now.

Klaus
 
I may be missing somthing here but in one of your posts in Oct you concluded that the E1 could produce as detailed an image as the D70

But here you conclude the E1 resolution to be behind big times

Jerry
All pics. have been shot in RAW mode, processed with Adobe ACR and
sharpened to my best knowledge.

I compared shots taken at the same focal length, so the E1
pictures are like a 5MP crop of the D70 pics. In other words, no
bias toward the D70.

I found that the E1 didn't focus as consistently as the D70 did,
and some shots are sharper then others. But still, the best E1
pictures are behind the D70 resolution wise. In fact, big times.

BTW, since this mini review, I bought a D70 (although I plan to
keep the E1).
Hi Mskad
Nicely done - great review. There are, however, a couple of things
which spring to mind with respect to resolution.

Looking at the comparison shots, in the top pair, the E1 shot has
considerably less contrast and sharpening than the D70 shot - does
this have anything to do with the resolution?

Another point - I guess you shot RAW with the E1? I've done so
many comparisons between RAW and .jpg that I'm fed up with it now,
but one thing which seemed to me to be consistently true was that
the resolution was better with .jpg than with all but he High-Speed
conversion in Studio.

Now, clearly the D70 has more pixels which equals more resolution,
but if you were cropping it to match - they should be the same. I'd
be interested to see a comparison between the D70 and high quality
.jpg on the E1 with contrast at -1 and sharpness at +3.

Before I bought the E1 I did a lot of resolution comparisons with
the D100, and came to the conclusion that the E1 was at least as
good. Terribly difficult to be subjective about these things.

Otherwise - great job.

kind regards
--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
--
Mskad.
 
Hi Jerry,

You’re right: I’m flip-flopping here ;-)

Please let me explain.

In my original post, I first said that the D70 was resolving way more than the E1. But then, thanks to OzRay ( http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=10530527 ), I found that some of my E1 test shots were slightly OOF. By comparing properly focused E1 pictures with the D70 pictures (and by applying an aggressive sharpening technique on the E1 images), I concluded that the difference between the two cameras wasn’t that big.

Since my initial post, I bought a D70 and run few more tests, with different lenses and found that if you carefully post process the Nikon D70 raw images (I think that I am now a bit more knowledgeable on processing D70 raw files that I was then), you can really squeeze a lot of details out of them. Hence my final post: the E1 is significantly behind the D70 in term of resolving power.
But here you conclude the E1 resolution to be behind big times

Jerry
All pics. have been shot in RAW mode, processed with Adobe ACR and
sharpened to my best knowledge.

I compared shots taken at the same focal length, so the E1
pictures are like a 5MP crop of the D70 pics. In other words, no
bias toward the D70.

I found that the E1 didn't focus as consistently as the D70 did,
and some shots are sharper then others. But still, the best E1
pictures are behind the D70 resolution wise. In fact, big times.

BTW, since this mini review, I bought a D70 (although I plan to
keep the E1).
Hi Mskad
Nicely done - great review. There are, however, a couple of things
which spring to mind with respect to resolution.

Looking at the comparison shots, in the top pair, the E1 shot has
considerably less contrast and sharpening than the D70 shot - does
this have anything to do with the resolution?

Another point - I guess you shot RAW with the E1? I've done so
many comparisons between RAW and .jpg that I'm fed up with it now,
but one thing which seemed to me to be consistently true was that
the resolution was better with .jpg than with all but he High-Speed
conversion in Studio.

Now, clearly the D70 has more pixels which equals more resolution,
but if you were cropping it to match - they should be the same. I'd
be interested to see a comparison between the D70 and high quality
.jpg on the E1 with contrast at -1 and sharpness at +3.

Before I bought the E1 I did a lot of resolution comparisons with
the D100, and came to the conclusion that the E1 was at least as
good. Terribly difficult to be subjective about these things.

Otherwise - great job.

kind regards
--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
--
Mskad.
--
Mskad.
 
What was your RAW process with the E-1?
You’re right: I’m flip-flopping here ;-)

Please let me explain.

In my original post, I first said that the D70 was resolving way
more than the E1. But then, thanks to OzRay

( http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=10530527 ), I found that some of my E1 test shots were slightly OOF. By comparing properly focused E1 pictures with the D70 pictures (and by applying an aggressive sharpening technique on the E1 images), I concluded that the difference between the two cameras wasn’t that big.

Since my initial post, I bought a D70 and run few more tests, with
different lenses and found that if you carefully post process the
Nikon D70 raw images (I think that I am now a bit more
knowledgeable on processing D70 raw files that I was then), you can
really squeeze a lot of details out of them. Hence my final post:
the E1 is significantly behind the D70 in term of resolving power.
But here you conclude the E1 resolution to be behind big times

Jerry
All pics. have been shot in RAW mode, processed with Adobe ACR and
sharpened to my best knowledge.

I compared shots taken at the same focal length, so the E1
pictures are like a 5MP crop of the D70 pics. In other words, no
bias toward the D70.

I found that the E1 didn't focus as consistently as the D70 did,
and some shots are sharper then others. But still, the best E1
pictures are behind the D70 resolution wise. In fact, big times.

BTW, since this mini review, I bought a D70 (although I plan to
keep the E1).
Hi Mskad
Nicely done - great review. There are, however, a couple of things
which spring to mind with respect to resolution.

Looking at the comparison shots, in the top pair, the E1 shot has
considerably less contrast and sharpening than the D70 shot - does
this have anything to do with the resolution?

Another point - I guess you shot RAW with the E1? I've done so
many comparisons between RAW and .jpg that I'm fed up with it now,
but one thing which seemed to me to be consistently true was that
the resolution was better with .jpg than with all but he High-Speed
conversion in Studio.

Now, clearly the D70 has more pixels which equals more resolution,
but if you were cropping it to match - they should be the same. I'd
be interested to see a comparison between the D70 and high quality
.jpg on the E1 with contrast at -1 and sharpness at +3.

Before I bought the E1 I did a lot of resolution comparisons with
the D100, and came to the conclusion that the E1 was at least as
good. Terribly difficult to be subjective about these things.

Otherwise - great job.

kind regards
--
Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
--
Mskad.
--
Mskad.
--
dgrogers

http://www.pbase.com/drog
 

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