Micro Drives

Walter,

Wow I had to read your message several times to understand it.

I guess the bottom line is you should have a strong power supply. So would it be wrong to say that I should get a MD and use my AC adapter to make sure it works before I buy the Power grip. Does the AC Adapter give off the same voltage as say the power grip?

I don't think I will be cutting open my camera any time soon so I will just go with a good set of batteries or a power grip. I only cut into stuff I know. Knowing me I would have extra parts left over if I opened the camera up.

Thanks for the help

Michael
The cameras internal voltage regulator drops the external voltage
to 3.3v.
ALL the internal power is provided from this. There is a + 5%
tolerance for this. The current limit could be a large as +-10% and
the thermal limit could also be +-10%. Them there is the standard
drop across the regulator. This also could be +-10%.


The variations of; focus motor drive current, regulator current
limit, input/output voltage drop and thermal limit shutdown
thresholds plus the variations of the micro head move and R/W
currents will allow a camera to work with the micro or not.
I have three 340s. each with a different symptom. One will boot up
but not write(excess write current causing the regulator to current
limit), the next will boot up and take about 30 pics and then give
card errors(overheating the regulator) and the third boots up
intermittantly but R/Ws flawlessly(high head move currents).

For your info, and this is from an IBM white paper on the old 340,
which is the only one available, and the 1G. The 340 has the
following; idle current-65ma typ, spindle motor and motor driver
on-280ma typ for 300ms, head load/unload-320ma typ 30ms and read
280ma/write 300ma typ.
The 1G 20ma idle, spindle and motor driver on-220ma typ at 430ms,
head load 410ma typ at 100ms, read 200ma/write 240ma typ.
The total time from start up command to R/W ready is 800ms for the
340 and 1200ms for the 1G. As you can see this is a long time to
have the start up load while the camera is trying to boot as well.
The camera can draw 1.75A while booting. Add up to another .4A and
there is reason for weird operation. The product tolerances just
make it better or worse depending on which mix you have. I seem to
have a border line camera that will show the tolerance errors of
all the micros. LUCKY ME!

As you can see there is a wide varance in the micros themselves
otherwise the same symtom would show up for all three.
The solution that some have used for getting the &^%% things to
work of boosting the voltage will solve only those regulator
problems that have high in/out voltage drop.

The real solution is to have a split supply. One to the normal
camera's circuitry and the other to the removable memory. This
would remove the high loading, of the micros, on the main regulator.
To make the fix you would need to accept the fact that the warranty
will be blown, a need for a schematic and a steady hand with a
soldering iron.
Do you feel lucky ? Either live with the quirks or don't use the
micro if you are having problems.
I envy those without problems.

Walter
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
I know I tried the unity Power back pro but found out that B&H sold
me the wrong one.
Ditto ... I was sold the 4.8v one by my dealer when I should have had the 6v one. The dealer was reticent to refund the pack as it was working and did power the camera (for about 30 shots) and it was listed on the box as for the Olympus. It just seems that Unity Digital changed their recommendations and this was an older box!
The makers of the power pack paid for the return
shipping and sent me out another one (the proper voltage for that
camera) plus they paid for me to ship my old battery pack back.
Hmmm ... I called Unity Digital and they supposedly sent an email to the UK distributors asking them to sort out the mix up but I've not heard anything from them and everyone says that it's not their problem. In the meantime the Unity Digital power pack is powering my old C3030 which I sold to my partners uncle and I'm trying to buy an E10 battery grip kit from the US for $365 (which is a third of the UK price!)
B&H wanted to charge me for sending it back and for them sending me
a replacement even though it was there mistake.
Yup - sounds like par for the course!
Well with all this talk of having good batteries or supply I will
probably try a MD later on in the summer.

What I don't understand is if the required voltage for the E-10 is
6V then wouldn't 7.2 v hurt the camera? Evidentally it doesnt
since the power grip is 7.2v.
Two words - "Voltage Regulators" ... wonderful circuits. Basically the voltage regulators will draw increasing current at lower voltages to supply the camera ... when the batteries can't flow enough current then the camera is starved and this is when I find the MicroDrive takes a dive before the other sections of the camera..
I would love to buy the Epson 1280 but its to expensive for me. I
will wait for them to lower the price. I saw in the MEI catalog
that they are selling the Epson 1200 for $149 dollars. I will wait
as my Epson 800 still serves me well. Plus I'm kind of waiting for
the aftermarket ink makers to crack the Chip in the ink cartridges.
OK ... a friend of mine has just bought the 1290 after owning the 1200 and reckons it's not as huge a difference as he was expecting. Just better shadow detail. I had an HP2000C which I use mainly as a colour workhorse printer so it was far more of an upgrade for me and I only use teh Epson for photo work ... the HP is still in use for churning out pages left right and centre.
If Epson would lower there price on the ink people would not buy
aftermarket ink. Yes Yes I know Epson's Ink is better than
aftermarket?
Epson consumables are expensive but I have over a dozen packs of photo paper that I've bought to try and none of them are as good as Epson. If I assume £10 - £15 per pack of paper then that's - say - £150 "wasted" which would have bought me a dozen more packs of the proper Epson stuff. Sure it's nice to save a bit but it's difficult to find paper as good (at least here in the UK) as the Epson stuff and so I've given up.
Thanks for the chat.
No worries,

Phil
 
Michael-

I used an Epson Stylus 800 printer for several years but replaced it this spring with an 875 which was on sale for $150 at Officemax. if you don't need the larger print size of the 1270/1290 I can recommend the 875 as a super photo printer which is definitely better than the 800.

Regards, Jim
Thanks for responding back. I tried a set of (1500 mAh) with my 1
gig drive but it didnt work. I can't recall if I also tried the AC
adapter with the camera to see if the 1 gig drive worked or not.

I know I tried the unity Power back pro but found out that B&H sold
me the wrong one. The makers of the power pack paid for the return
shipping and sent me out another one (the proper voltage for that
camera) plus they paid for me to ship my old battery pack back.
B&H wanted to charge me for sending it back and for them sending me
a replacement even though it was there mistake.

Well with all this talk of having good batteries or supply I will
probably try a MD later on in the summer.

What I don't understand is if the required voltage for the E-10 is
6V then wouldn't 7.2 v hurt the camera? Evidentally it doesnt
since the power grip is 7.2v.

I would love to buy the Epson 1280 but its to expensive for me. I
will wait for them to lower the price. I saw in the MEI catalog
that they are selling the Epson 1200 for $149 dollars. I will wait
as my Epson 800 still serves me well. Plus I'm kind of waiting for
the aftermarket ink makers to crack the Chip in the ink cartridges.

If Epson would lower there price on the ink people would not buy
aftermarket ink. Yes Yes I know Epson's Ink is better than
aftermarket?

Thanks for the chat.

Michael
Will the 340 meg drive be any different on running than the 1 gig
drive that i bought several months back and ended up returning it.
I used a 340Mb MicroDrive on 1,300mAh HiMh's with no problems at
all, on the same batteries I do have problems with my 1Gb
MicroDrive coming up. Supplying juice from an external supply cures
this.
I know that the micro drive needs a stong power supply. Im not
really sure if you can count my Unity power pack pro as that.
No ... the Unity pack is either 4.8v or 6v depending on model. The
LiPo grip is 7.2 - 8v ... the E10 seems to like 7.2v and thrives on
it. I think that 4.8v is the bottom end of its needs!
I was looking at buying the Epson 1280 as I like the quality of the
Epson Printers. I have the Epson 800 and wanted to upgrade to
soemthing better. What do you think of the printer?
I have a 1290 (the UK version of the 1280) and it's superb!
 
Phil Harris,

You where saying you where going to buy a E-10 Battery Grip Kit for $365 dollars. Where is this at?

I'm working on getting the Tcon-300S lens for $475 plus shipping. I will probably buy one on Thursday or Friday?

Thanks

Michael

I'm trying to buy an E10 battery grip kit from the US for $365 (which is a third of the UK price!)
 
I'vew just exhausted the supplied lithium batteries after over 250 shots entirely using a 340MB micro-drive with no problems at all. Including lots of experimental menu-ing and use of the monitor. And no trouhble using with my notebook and desktop and exchanging W98 files between them.

If these batteries weren't so expensive, as a less intensive or only occasionally intensive user, I rather think I'd stick to them and not bother with trailing cables and recharging etc. At least for the time being.

Any cheap sources, anyone?

JNB
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
If you have the 6v version of the Unity pack then it should power the E10 plus Microdrive quite happily.

I have used teh 340 and 1Gb microdrives in my E10 and the 340 worked faultlessly on the E10 with 1,300 mAh NiMh's - the 1Gb is more fussy about good power.

The 340 was just like using a CF card - stick it in and forget it. The 1Gb is fine while the batteries are good ... if they're off full charge and you try to power up the camera then it will usually lock up. Solution? Disable the "Sleep" function on the E10 ... it'll last a few hours on a set of AAs (and I get about 130 pictures over those 3 hours) ... and just let it stay powered, once it's all powered up then it's plain sailing!

Phil
 
Search for my Micro Drive bounce test thread also :-)

I have 4 340's dropped one the other day onto the street, it bounced up over the curb and hit the street below that! ACK 2 bounces on the concrete it;s gotta be toast.

As I was heading for the trash can to toss it in, I powered it up, to my total shock, it was fine put 80 pics on it brought it home, ran norton utilities on it for 2 hours found nothing wrong with it! To say it best, Im sold!
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
OK ... This is what I have to do if my camera doesn't power up with the microdrive and NiMh AA's.

1) Remove the battery holder from the E10.

2) Remove the Microdrive.

3) Insert the battery holder and power up the camera with just a SM card.

4) Power down the camera, reinsert the microdrive.

5) Power up the camera.

Unless the batteries are quite heavily discharged this ALWAYS works with my camera. I always power up my camera in "Playback" mode and it doesn't make any difference switching over to a SM card before powering down as even if you do as, when you power the camera up, the microdrive spins up (you can hear it) even though you've got the SM card active.

I have had NO problems at all using the E10 + 1Gb microdrive with the Unity Digital 6v Power Pack (I too was originally sold the 4.8v one which would last a matter of minutes before dying.)

I have had no problems using 340Mb microdrives in the camera with NiMh batteries ... in my experience they are no more sensitive to power than solid state CF cards.

Other people it seems have not had such a simple and logical ride with E10s and microdrives as I have...

I see why you would be concerned at "upping the voltage" going into the camera but remember that few (if any) of the circuits in the camera will run from the battery voltage "as is" ... most of the circuitry will be supplied by voltage regulators which step up/down the voltage as required and if these are fed an increased voltage (within reason of course) then for a given output voltage and current they will normally draw a reduced current as input if the voltage is higher. This means that overall the current drain on a battery producing a higher voltage (say 7.2v) should be considerably less than on a batery producing 4.8v.

A mate of mine has just bought the 1290 as an upgrade from the 1200 and he was a little disappointed to see not as huge an increase in quality as he was expecting ... he reckons that the improvement is mainly in shadow detail.

Phil
 
I would say "no", it does not support microdrives. The e10 might support some, but it does not support all.
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 

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