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I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility, performance and price.

Thanks
 
I have heard that the microdrive is not compatible with the E-10. Use the digital wallet instead. You can get one at MicroCenter.
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
Hi Dave,

Officially Oly does not recommend the Microdrive. However, many people here use one without any problems. Personally I have two 340MB and have never had any problems with either of them. I think the secret with the microdrive and the E-10 is good battery power so you need good quality NiMh's (1600Mha Sanyo's), an external battery pack or the LiPro grip. Most microdrive problems are associated with low battery power and this affects all cameras not just the E-10. If you want to use a Microdrive I say go for it.
John W.
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
Dave,

I agree totally with what John W. had to say. I had problems with the 1 gig microdrive until I gave the camera more voltage. Now I don't have any problems with it. For what it's worth, I do use the lipo grip and wouldn't trade it for Nimhs to save my life.....

Johnny B.
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
Hello,

Several months back I tried the Micro drive (1 gig version) in my E-10 (Firmware 119). I tried it with the Nickel Medal batteries but I could not get the Drive to boot up. I think but not sure if I also tried the power ac adapter and it still didnt boot up.

Focus camera Told me it would work as they said it worked on there E-10's. I personally think he wanted to sell the $500 dollar drive. Does the Firmware in the camera make a difference. Also does anyone know the Firmware differences. I have heard mixed comments on those as well

Thanks

Michael
I agree totally with what John W. had to say. I had problems with
the 1 gig microdrive until I gave the camera more voltage. Now I
don't have any problems with it. For what it's worth, I do use the
lipo grip and wouldn't trade it for Nimhs to save my life.....

Johnny B.
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
Hi Dave,
E-10 + microdrive + good batteries = shooting heaven!
E-10 + " + bad batteries = shooting nightmare :-(

My 340MB has worked fine in the E-10. I don't know about the 1GB version but apparently it has less power requirement so in theory it should be ok too. Try a search for microdrive in this forum.
regards,
Colin
 
Hello Michael,

I don't know the differences between the firmware versions (mine is 120) but I think that any probles are associated with the particular microdrive and not the camera. It seems the quality of the microdrive varies quite a bit. That is why most people suggest 'try before you buy'. This is what I did, it worked first time and has worked ever since. It seems that there are more problems with the 1GB version than with the 340MB.
John W.
Several months back I tried the Micro drive (1 gig version) in my
E-10 (Firmware 119). I tried it with the Nickel Medal batteries
but I could not get the Drive to boot up. I think but not sure if
I also tried the power ac adapter and it still didnt boot up.

Focus camera Told me it would work as they said it worked on there
E-10's. I personally think he wanted to sell the $500 dollar
drive. Does the Firmware in the camera make a difference. Also
does anyone know the Firmware differences. I have heard mixed
comments on those as well

Thanks

Michael
I agree totally with what John W. had to say. I had problems with
the 1 gig microdrive until I gave the camera more voltage. Now I
don't have any problems with it. For what it's worth, I do use the
lipo grip and wouldn't trade it for Nimhs to save my life.....

Johnny B.
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
John W & Colin

Thanks for the information. At the moment I dont have the money to buy anything. I'm getting major back surgery next week and looking forward to it so I can go back to my digital photography hobby and metal detecting.

Well can you or some one suggest a place that sells the microdrive 340. I understand there is a 512 meg one but i dont see a lot of talk about it. I would like to find a place that will let me try it out and if it doesnt work I can return it.

I also read some where that there was a bad batch of 340 meg micro drives. What serial number or model number should I look for when purchaing the 340 meg drive.

I now have the Unity power pack pro, but was also looking at the new Maha 7.2v battery pack as well.

Well any suggestions

Michael
Hi Dave,
E-10 + microdrive + good batteries = shooting heaven!
E-10 + " + bad batteries = shooting nightmare :-(
My 340MB has worked fine in the E-10. I don't know about the 1GB
version but apparently it has less power requirement so in theory
it should be ok too. Try a search for microdrive in this forum.
regards,
Colin
 
Michael:

I bought my 340 MB Microdrive from Cititronics for about $200 and it has been totally trouble-free. I don't know about their return policy however. They seem to have about the best prices I've seen for both the 1 GB and 340 MB Microdrives and some attractive bundles as well.

Regards, Jim
Thanks for the information. At the moment I dont have the money to
buy anything. I'm getting major back surgery next week and looking
forward to it so I can go back to my digital photography hobby and
metal detecting.

Well can you or some one suggest a place that sells the microdrive
340. I understand there is a 512 meg one but i dont see a lot of
talk about it. I would like to find a place that will let me try
it out and if it doesnt work I can return it.

I also read some where that there was a bad batch of 340 meg micro
drives. What serial number or model number should I look for when
purchaing the 340 meg drive.

I now have the Unity power pack pro, but was also looking at the
new Maha 7.2v battery pack as well.

Well any suggestions

Michael
Hi Dave,
E-10 + microdrive + good batteries = shooting heaven!
E-10 + " + bad batteries = shooting nightmare :-(
My 340MB has worked fine in the E-10. I don't know about the 1GB
version but apparently it has less power requirement so in theory
it should be ok too. Try a search for microdrive in this forum.
regards,
Colin
 
The only places I've seen the 512MB Microdrives are at Microtech http://www.microtechint.com/store/media.html and IBM http://www.ibm.com . I have one and it works fine with my E-10.

Pat
Thanks for the information. At the moment I dont have the money to
buy anything. I'm getting major back surgery next week and looking
forward to it so I can go back to my digital photography hobby and
metal detecting.

Well can you or some one suggest a place that sells the microdrive
340. I understand there is a 512 meg one but i dont see a lot of
talk about it. I would like to find a place that will let me try
it out and if it doesnt work I can return it.

I also read some where that there was a bad batch of 340 meg micro
drives. What serial number or model number should I look for when
purchaing the 340 meg drive.

I now have the Unity power pack pro, but was also looking at the
new Maha 7.2v battery pack as well.

Well any suggestions

Michael
Hi Dave,
E-10 + microdrive + good batteries = shooting heaven!
E-10 + " + bad batteries = shooting nightmare :-(
My 340MB has worked fine in the E-10. I don't know about the 1GB
version but apparently it has less power requirement so in theory
it should be ok too. Try a search for microdrive in this forum.
regards,
Colin
 
Johnny B.,

How did you give "the camera more voltage"? I tried the 1gig MD yesterday with freshly charged batteries and E-10 won't boot up. Tried to boot it on the SM card then switch to the MD and that didn't work either. Has anyone tried the Quantum QB1c?

Russ
I agree totally with what John W. had to say. I had problems with
the 1 gig microdrive until I gave the camera more voltage. Now I
don't have any problems with it. For what it's worth, I do use the
lipo grip and wouldn't trade it for Nimhs to save my life.....

Johnny B.
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
Russ,

I gave it more voltage by using the either the AC adapter or the Lipo Grip.

Both work fine with the MD, so I would suspect that a higher voltage external pack would work as well. I just didn't like the corded approach so I went witht the grip. Not a problem since and it literally lasts forever. Could barely get the MD to work at all with 1600 Nimhs.

Johnny B.
Russ
I agree totally with what John W. had to say. I had problems with
the 1 gig microdrive until I gave the camera more voltage. Now I
don't have any problems with it. For what it's worth, I do use the
lipo grip and wouldn't trade it for Nimhs to save my life.....

Johnny B.
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
There is a great deal of conflicting information about the micro drives. I thought I would give you my experience. When I bought my E 10 I was assured it would work with a 1 GB micro drive. That was a condition of the sale. When the drive arrived it would only work intermittently. The problems were very similar to those posted here in the past. The camera would not turn on, or it would hang, or some times it would work fine for a few shots and then freeze. It would never work if I had a smart media card installed at the same time. Changing power sources and batteries did not help. The camera store got a new camera in and we tried the microdrive. It work flawlessly and since then I have taken several hundred pictures without any problems. It works very well with the smartmedia card as well. It continues to work fine until the batteries are so low that the low batter warning comes on (I have used 1450 mAh batteries without any problems). Buy the way both cameras had the same firmware number.

My recommendation is that you try the particular microdrive you will be using with the particular camera you will be purchasing before buying the camera. If you get a combination that work, keep both. I would also recommend using a program to check for stuck pixels before you buy the camera. Finally check the camera for focusing problems that have be described here as well. If there are no problems in any of these area, you have a winner and it will save you much grief in the future dealing with tech support. These recommendations require that you purchase your camera from a friendly local store and this may cost a little more than mail order.

Finally I must say that I have enjoyed my camera a great deal and it has reawakened my interest in photograph. I have stopped using my Nikon equipment and put my color darkroom up for sale. It was the best photographic purchase, next to my Epson 1280 printer that I have ever made.

I hope this long winded post helps you make up your mind
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
OK.
Here is my take on this.
Your sitting on a rocket in a shuttle built with parts from the lowest bidder.
Hopefully everything will work.

The cameras internal voltage regulator drops the external voltage to 3.3v.

ALL the internal power is provided from this. There is a + 5% tolerance for this. The current limit could be a large as +-10% and the thermal limit could also be +-10%. Them there is the standard drop across the regulator. This also could be +-10%.

The variations of; focus motor drive current, regulator current limit, input/output voltage drop and thermal limit shutdown thresholds plus the variations of the micro head move and R/W currents will allow a camera to work with the micro or not.

I have three 340s. each with a different symptom. One will boot up but not write(excess write current causing the regulator to current limit), the next will boot up and take about 30 pics and then give card errors(overheating the regulator) and the third boots up intermittantly but R/Ws flawlessly(high head move currents).

For your info, and this is from an IBM white paper on the old 340, which is the only one available, and the 1G. The 340 has the following; idle current-65ma typ, spindle motor and motor driver on-280ma typ for 300ms, head load/unload-320ma typ 30ms and read 280ma/write 300ma typ.

The 1G 20ma idle, spindle and motor driver on-220ma typ at 430ms, head load 410ma typ at 100ms, read 200ma/write 240ma typ.

The total time from start up command to R/W ready is 800ms for the 340 and 1200ms for the 1G. As you can see this is a long time to have the start up load while the camera is trying to boot as well. The camera can draw 1.75A while booting. Add up to another .4A and there is reason for weird operation. The product tolerances just make it better or worse depending on which mix you have. I seem to have a border line camera that will show the tolerance errors of all the micros. LUCKY ME!

As you can see there is a wide varance in the micros themselves otherwise the same symtom would show up for all three.

The solution that some have used for getting the &^%% things to work of boosting the voltage will solve only those regulator problems that have high in/out voltage drop.

The real solution is to have a split supply. One to the normal camera's circuitry and the other to the removable memory. This would remove the high loading, of the micros, on the main regulator.

To make the fix you would need to accept the fact that the warranty will be blown, a need for a schematic and a steady hand with a soldering iron.

Do you feel lucky ? Either live with the quirks or don't use the micro if you are having problems.
I envy those without problems.

Walter
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
Pat,

What firmware version do you have on your camera. I have firmware 119. I'm not sure if that makes a difference. Olympus technical support told me the firmware difference is mainly a region change.

Do you use any special battery back or what?

Michael
Pat
Thanks for the information. At the moment I dont have the money to
buy anything. I'm getting major back surgery next week and looking
forward to it so I can go back to my digital photography hobby and
metal detecting.

Well can you or some one suggest a place that sells the microdrive
340. I understand there is a 512 meg one but i dont see a lot of
talk about it. I would like to find a place that will let me try
it out and if it doesnt work I can return it.

I also read some where that there was a bad batch of 340 meg micro
drives. What serial number or model number should I look for when
purchaing the 340 meg drive.

I now have the Unity power pack pro, but was also looking at the
new Maha 7.2v battery pack as well.

Well any suggestions

Michael
Hi Dave,
E-10 + microdrive + good batteries = shooting heaven!
E-10 + " + bad batteries = shooting nightmare :-(
My 340MB has worked fine in the E-10. I don't know about the 1GB
version but apparently it has less power requirement so in theory
it should be ok too. Try a search for microdrive in this forum.
regards,
Colin
 
David,

Thanks for the information. I bought my E-10 back in Nov last year. The firmware is 119 and like I said before I'm not sure if there is a difference. I bought the 1 GB back in december of last year and had several problems like you mentioon. It would not boot up, not turn on, would not recognize the drive, would format part way and so on.

My question is should I take the chance and try a 340 meg drive. I currently own (1) 128 meg compact flash card and the 6 gig digital wallet.

Will the 340 meg drive be any different on running than the 1 gig drive that i bought several months back and ended up returning it.

I know that the micro drive needs a stong power supply. Im not really sure if you can count my Unity power pack pro as that. I would buy the power grip but its way over priced I think I would rather get the 300 mm lens first.

I was looking at buying the Epson 1280 as I like the quality of the Epson Printers. I have the Epson 800 and wanted to upgrade to soemthing better. What do you think of the printer?

I would appreciate anyone options on this.

Michael
I hope this long winded post helps you make up your mind
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
I bought the 1280 about a month ago after using the 1200 for a little over 1 year. The 1200 was good but the 1280 is great! The colors are better, with good skies (something I could never get with the 1200). It does use a lot of ink, but the results are unbeatable.

My understanding is that the 1 GB micro drive is more reliable and stable than the earlier 340 mb drive. I suspect that you might have luck with another 1 gb drive. Just be sure you can return it. One of the great pleasure of this camera is being able to try shots I would not have otherwise attempted. A limit on storage inhibits this. That is why microdrive compatablility was a requirment for me to get the camera

David Gardner
Thanks for the information. I bought my E-10 back in Nov last
year. The firmware is 119 and like I said before I'm not sure if
there is a difference. I bought the 1 GB back in december of last
year and had several problems like you mentioon. It would not boot
up, not turn on, would not recognize the drive, would format part
way and so on.

My question is should I take the chance and try a 340 meg drive. I
currently own (1) 128 meg compact flash card and the 6 gig digital
wallet.
Will the 340 meg drive be any different on running than the 1 gig
drive that i bought several months back and ended up returning it.

I know that the micro drive needs a stong power supply. Im not
really sure if you can count my Unity power pack pro as that. I
would buy the power grip but its way over priced I think I would
rather get the 300 mm lens first.

I was looking at buying the Epson 1280 as I like the quality of the
Epson Printers. I have the Epson 800 and wanted to upgrade to
soemthing better. What do you think of the printer?

I would appreciate anyone options on this.

Michael
I hope this long winded post helps you make up your mind
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
My experience with the MD is totally excellent.

I use the 1600Ma MAHA batt pack from Thomas Dist. at all times. I have

2-- 1gig MD's that I just used on a 2 wk trip where I shot > 2000 images without the slightest problem. Both MD's worked perfectly right
out of the box, again using the batt pack mentioned.

Also I think the 1 gig MD is a better buy than the 340. Check ebay.
The MD is a super product. Imagine starting a shoot with the
capacity to shoot 381 low compression jpg's ( 2.5 MB) images. These
images will print at
10x14" without the slightest trace of grain.
It doesn't get any better than this!!

Chuck Ferris

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The cameras internal voltage regulator drops the external voltage
to 3.3v.
ALL the internal power is provided from this. There is a + 5%
tolerance for this. The current limit could be a large as +-10% and
the thermal limit could also be +-10%. Them there is the standard
drop across the regulator. This also could be +-10%.


The variations of; focus motor drive current, regulator current
limit, input/output voltage drop and thermal limit shutdown
thresholds plus the variations of the micro head move and R/W
currents will allow a camera to work with the micro or not.
I have three 340s. each with a different symptom. One will boot up
but not write(excess write current causing the regulator to current
limit), the next will boot up and take about 30 pics and then give
card errors(overheating the regulator) and the third boots up
intermittantly but R/Ws flawlessly(high head move currents).

For your info, and this is from an IBM white paper on the old 340,
which is the only one available, and the 1G. The 340 has the
following; idle current-65ma typ, spindle motor and motor driver
on-280ma typ for 300ms, head load/unload-320ma typ 30ms and read
280ma/write 300ma typ.
The 1G 20ma idle, spindle and motor driver on-220ma typ at 430ms,
head load 410ma typ at 100ms, read 200ma/write 240ma typ.
The total time from start up command to R/W ready is 800ms for the
340 and 1200ms for the 1G. As you can see this is a long time to
have the start up load while the camera is trying to boot as well.
The camera can draw 1.75A while booting. Add up to another .4A and
there is reason for weird operation. The product tolerances just
make it better or worse depending on which mix you have. I seem to
have a border line camera that will show the tolerance errors of
all the micros. LUCKY ME!

As you can see there is a wide varance in the micros themselves
otherwise the same symtom would show up for all three.
The solution that some have used for getting the &^%% things to
work of boosting the voltage will solve only those regulator
problems that have high in/out voltage drop.

The real solution is to have a split supply. One to the normal
camera's circuitry and the other to the removable memory. This
would remove the high loading, of the micros, on the main regulator.
To make the fix you would need to accept the fact that the warranty
will be blown, a need for a schematic and a steady hand with a
soldering iron.
Do you feel lucky ? Either live with the quirks or don't use the
micro if you are having problems.
I envy those without problems.

Walter
I have been waffeling for the last several weeks on which high end
digital camera to purchase. I am an advanced amatuer and shoot a
Bronica ETRsi and a Nikon 35MM.

Does the E10 support micro drive storage. I have seen mixed
reports on this issue. I have considered the S1, D30, CP995, and
have just about decided to go with the E10 based on availaility,
performance and price.

Thanks
 
Will the 340 meg drive be any different on running than the 1 gig
drive that i bought several months back and ended up returning it.
I used a 340Mb MicroDrive on 1,300mAh HiMh's with no problems at all, on the same batteries I do have problems with my 1Gb MicroDrive coming up. Supplying juice from an external supply cures this.
I know that the micro drive needs a stong power supply. Im not
really sure if you can count my Unity power pack pro as that.
No ... the Unity pack is either 4.8v or 6v depending on model. The LiPo grip is 7.2 - 8v ... the E10 seems to like 7.2v and thrives on it. I think that 4.8v is the bottom end of its needs!
I was looking at buying the Epson 1280 as I like the quality of the
Epson Printers. I have the Epson 800 and wanted to upgrade to
soemthing better. What do you think of the printer?
I have a 1290 (the UK version of the 1280) and it's superb!
 
Phil Harris,

Thanks for responding back. I tried a set of (1500 mAh) with my 1 gig drive but it didnt work. I can't recall if I also tried the AC adapter with the camera to see if the 1 gig drive worked or not.

I know I tried the unity Power back pro but found out that B&H sold me the wrong one. The makers of the power pack paid for the return shipping and sent me out another one (the proper voltage for that camera) plus they paid for me to ship my old battery pack back. B&H wanted to charge me for sending it back and for them sending me a replacement even though it was there mistake.

Well with all this talk of having good batteries or supply I will probably try a MD later on in the summer.

What I don't understand is if the required voltage for the E-10 is 6V then wouldn't 7.2 v hurt the camera? Evidentally it doesnt since the power grip is 7.2v.

I would love to buy the Epson 1280 but its to expensive for me. I will wait for them to lower the price. I saw in the MEI catalog that they are selling the Epson 1200 for $149 dollars. I will wait as my Epson 800 still serves me well. Plus I'm kind of waiting for the aftermarket ink makers to crack the Chip in the ink cartridges.

If Epson would lower there price on the ink people would not buy aftermarket ink. Yes Yes I know Epson's Ink is better than aftermarket?

Thanks for the chat.

Michael
Will the 340 meg drive be any different on running than the 1 gig
drive that i bought several months back and ended up returning it.
I used a 340Mb MicroDrive on 1,300mAh HiMh's with no problems at
all, on the same batteries I do have problems with my 1Gb
MicroDrive coming up. Supplying juice from an external supply cures
this.
I know that the micro drive needs a stong power supply. Im not
really sure if you can count my Unity power pack pro as that.
No ... the Unity pack is either 4.8v or 6v depending on model. The
LiPo grip is 7.2 - 8v ... the E10 seems to like 7.2v and thrives on
it. I think that 4.8v is the bottom end of its needs!
I was looking at buying the Epson 1280 as I like the quality of the
Epson Printers. I have the Epson 800 and wanted to upgrade to
soemthing better. What do you think of the printer?
I have a 1290 (the UK version of the 1280) and it's superb!
 

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