Canon 55-200USM-II - the New "Pocket Rocket" ?

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I've wanted a compact sharp little 50/55-200mm lens for the EOS mount for some time after a brief time with the Sigma SD9 and 55-200DC as the Sigma lens is superb - the problem is that I ALWAYS have a camera which has larger than 1.6X Cropped sensor (1D then 1DS) so the superb Sigma is a no go and I had to make do with the 80-200mm range and the lovely little 80-200 F4.5-5.6-II "pocket Rocket"-

I used the original plastic mount 55-200USM (the one which partnered the 22-55USM for the IX cameras) and it wasn't exactly "soft" but was very dreamy wide open, suffered CA and AF was hit and miss even on EOSes which could focus on what you aimed them at (read D60 or 1-series) so ignored it.. When the 300D was released, two new lenses were released, teh 18-55 "Dog toy" EF-S and the matching 55-200USM II which is full frame and same glass / mount as the original BUT has improved coatings for use on Digital cameras, improved AF algorithms (though going by the original 55-200, that wasn't hard), faster AF drive and new "Dog Toy" looks (a downer from the original) - a mint Boxed used one appeared at my lens dealer so I thought I'd give it a go to see if those lens coatings and AF improvements fixed the original.

1DS used, ISO320 due to lousy misty weather shot wide open and hope for the best.. ALL I wanted was the same sharpness as the 80-200-II but stretched out to 55mm but I wasn't expecting what I got.. Sheesh man, this thing is sharper than the damn Sigma 55-200DC wide open! from end to end across the frame - I kid you not..... it Vigs a bit on the 1DS at 55mm but it's easily livewithable - also every shot was bang on (after taking my 1DS's slight rear focussing into consideration - I'll have to get that fixed ;-) ..

so it's actually sharper than the cheapo 80-200-II at 200mm (some feat for a cheap lens) and noticably sharper at 55mm than the Rocket is at 80. I've only taken preliminary shots in lousy rainy weather at ISO320 but at 200mm F5.6 it seems to match the old 100-300L** for SHARPNESS though I doubt the contrast will be anywhere near as good and easily beats the 70-210 F3.5-4.5 USM for everything bar AF speed, it certainly is less CA Prone than the faster Ring USM Zoom... Quite a suprise, I've not shot it in good weather yet or tested for flare but will post back should the sun / sky come out to play if anyone is interested

55-200 USM II Pros ...

Sharper wide open than the 80-200 F4.5-5.6 or 70-210 F3.5-4.5 USM .- even sharper than the Superb Sigma 55-200DC..

doesn't have a "one end of the zoom or the other" sharpness bias like the 80-200 or the 70-210USM, it's equally sharp at both ends.
Light and compact
As Fast as Micro USM Gets in AF (a bit faster than the 80-200 Non USM)
Accurate AF
Very resilient to CA and dreaminess from what I can tell unlike the 90-300
Close focussing dist of 1.2m as opposed to 1.5m
cheap 52mmm Filters
Full Frame....

55-200 USM Cons

Not exactly Cheap (Camera world in the UK have the best deals though), especially compared to the 80-200 version which can be had for £50 used..
2cm longer than the 80-200 and bigger than the Sigma too
Vignettes a bit full frame at 55mm

Same Dog-Toy styling as the 18-55-EFS and the awful Mk2 versions of the 28-90 and 28-105 F4-5.6

100% Wide open Crops from the 1DS shot RAW, the 55mm ones are all taken from ONE scene which is supplied as a resized image - ISO320 in rain and mist (hence no contrast or real colour) the 200 ones are from 2 different scenes



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I didn't think there'd be much interest in this lens as it's actually capable of fitting a D60 or a 10D - anyway here's the size difference compared to the 80-200 for anyone interested..



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I was looking for my first tele zoom lens, and I have a couple of
options open to me, but are you really happy with this lens???
it only arrived this morning but from my tests so far, it's goodbye Pocket Rocket :)
does this stack up to the Sigma 70-300 APO II (red ring)?
It'll beat it - the 70-300 APO although the best xx-300mm cheap zoom isn't as sharp as the Sigma 55-200DC and this canon is sharper than the 55-200DC - not a lot but enough to be noticable and if you have ANY inclination towards 1.3X crop, Full frame or film then the DC lens is a no no - also both the Sigmas focus a lot slower and the 70-300 is more hit and miss accuracy wise.

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How does the 55-200 compare to the 28-105 in your opinion? I know
it's a different range, but I'm interested in the 100mm range. Is
the 28-105 1/3 stop faster at this length?
Good question and to be honest, so far (out into a RAINY scene) I've only shot it at 55 and 200mm and nothing inbetween.

one thing is for definate and that's that the 55-200's weak spot is use at close focussing distance at 200mm (55 is OK) where the 28-105 is excellent. the 55-200 doesn't really start to come on song until about 10 feet away, up to that it's not impressive - the 80-200 is better in this respect.. so in otherwords, it doesn't take kindly to having a closeup filter on and used as a Macro Lens (the Sigma 55-200 DC could be a bit iffy there too), standard zooms like even the Junk 35-80 work a whole lot better for this - nothing is perfect..

If you have a 28-105, it may be better to go for an old 100-300L or Sigma 100-300EX unless you really want the compact size and lack of weight (and cost where the Sigma EX is concerned) but at least if you went for the 55-200 (either this OR the Sigma) whichever lens you have on would be able to stay on longer whereas you'd be swapping out at a definate point with any 75/80/100-XXX Lens ..

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When I bought the 80-200 2.8L.

Comparisons where all in favor of the magic drainpipe, but not too much to lose a small setup with the 18-55 I think now.

Regards

Olaf
 
Comparisons where all in favor of the magic drainpipe, but not too
much to lose a small setup with the 18-55 I think now.
the thing doesn't get anywhere near the 80-200L, even the focus speed is slower than the Drainpipe's "Turbo-AFD" but that's not the point of these lenses in my eyes, the point is that when out on a wide angle / standard range shoot, you can always have a telephoto lens with your pocket just in case something comes up and don't have to lug 1.5 Kilos of Magic drainpipe around - the worst photo is the one you missed.

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I was looking for my first tele zoom lens, and I have a couple of
options open to me, but are you really happy with this lens???
it only arrived this morning but from my tests so far, it's goodbye
Pocket Rocket :)
does this stack up to the Sigma 70-300 APO II (red ring)?
It'll beat it - the 70-300 APO although the best xx-300mm cheap
zoom isn't as sharp as the Sigma 55-200DC and this canon is sharper
than the 55-200DC - not a lot but enough to be noticable and if you
have ANY inclination towards 1.3X crop, Full frame or film then the
DC lens is a no no - also both the Sigmas focus a lot slower and
the 70-300 is more hit and miss accuracy wise.
Adam, this lens sounds very intriguing! Thanks for the excellent critique.

I had to chime in to agree with you on the Sigma 70-300 APO Macro II. I tried that lens out for a day and hit and miss focus accuracy is right! It was murder trying to get the thing to focus. I don't know if mine was defective, but it was a real disappointment.

Lisa
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Adam, this lens sounds very intriguing! Thanks for the excellent
critique.
NO probs Lisa - if you're planning on sticking with the 1.6X crop then you have all you need in the Sigma 55-200DC (unless the AF is too slow) which is excellent as I said but it's no use to a 1-series or film owner.. I didn't expect the Canon to beat the Sigma at 200mm and match or beat it at 55, let alone across the whole frame pixel peeped on a 1DS ! that was a shock !. as was the comparison against the 100-300L which it matches for sharpness at 200mm ! Dunno about contrast, there is none in the UK at the moment though I guess the L will Kill it. Bokeh is nice because of the curved aperture blades.
I had to chime in to agree with you on the Sigma 70-300 APO Macro
II. I tried that lens out for a day and hit and miss focus
accuracy is right! It was murder trying to get the thing to focus.
I don't know if mine was defective, but it was a real
disappointment.
I found this with most Non-EX Sigma lenses on the 10D, every press, even firmly fixed to a tripod resulted in different focus, sometimes way different - the 1D / 1DS is a lot better in this respect with these lenses as is the D60 for some reason. there are no such issues with the Canon 55-200.

I didn't try the 55-200 on a 10D, had one with the SD9 where it was incredible for the price and tried one on the 1D (where it tunnelled nicely like a telephoto Fish. LOL, but was sharp) and the D60.

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Hello:
I had to chime in to agree with you on the Sigma 70-300 APO Macro
II. I tried that lens out for a day and hit and miss focus
accuracy is right! It was murder trying to get the thing to focus.
I don't know if mine was defective, but it was a real
disappointment.
Don't tell me that...I just ordered one to try on my 20D...Sure hope my experience is different...

LW...
I was looking for my first tele zoom lens, and I have a couple of
options open to me, but are you really happy with this lens???
it only arrived this morning but from my tests so far, it's goodbye
Pocket Rocket :)
does this stack up to the Sigma 70-300 APO II (red ring)?
It'll beat it - the 70-300 APO although the best xx-300mm cheap
zoom isn't as sharp as the Sigma 55-200DC and this canon is sharper
than the 55-200DC - not a lot but enough to be noticable and if you
have ANY inclination towards 1.3X crop, Full frame or film then the
DC lens is a no no - also both the Sigmas focus a lot slower and
the 70-300 is more hit and miss accuracy wise.
Adam, this lens sounds very intriguing! Thanks for the excellent
critique.

I had to chime in to agree with you on the Sigma 70-300 APO Macro
II. I tried that lens out for a day and hit and miss focus
accuracy is right! It was murder trying to get the thing to focus.
I don't know if mine was defective, but it was a real
disappointment.

Lisa
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Don't tell me that...I just ordered one to try on my 20D...Sure
hope my experience is different...
I think it's a "10D thing" as it's better on the D60 and 1-series cameras.

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Hello Adam-T:
Quite a suprise, I've not shot it in good weather yet or tested for flare but will post back should the sun / sky come out to play if anyone is interested
Are you kidding...Absolutely, I would be interested as I'm sure many others would be as well...I always look forward to all your reviews as most are in my price range...

LW...
I've wanted a compact sharp little 50/55-200mm lens for the EOS
mount for some time after a brief time with the Sigma SD9 and
55-200DC as the Sigma lens is superb - the problem is that I ALWAYS
have a camera which has larger than 1.6X Cropped sensor (1D then
1DS) so the superb Sigma is a no go and I had to make do with the
80-200mm range and the lovely little 80-200 F4.5-5.6-II "pocket
Rocket"-

I used the original plastic mount 55-200USM (the one which
partnered the 22-55USM for the IX cameras) and it wasn't exactly
"soft" but was very dreamy wide open, suffered CA and AF was hit
and miss even on EOSes which could focus on what you aimed them at
(read D60 or 1-series) so ignored it.. When the 300D was released,
two new lenses were released, teh 18-55 "Dog toy" EF-S and the
matching 55-200USM II which is full frame and same glass / mount as
the original BUT has improved coatings for use on Digital cameras,
improved AF algorithms (though going by the original 55-200, that
wasn't hard), faster AF drive and new "Dog Toy" looks (a downer
from the original) - a mint Boxed used one appeared at my lens
dealer so I thought I'd give it a go to see if those lens coatings
and AF improvements fixed the original.

1DS used, ISO320 due to lousy misty weather shot wide open and hope
for the best.. ALL I wanted was the same sharpness as the 80-200-II
but stretched out to 55mm but I wasn't expecting what I got..
Sheesh man, this thing is sharper than the damn Sigma 55-200DC wide
open! from end to end across the frame - I kid you not..... it Vigs
a bit on the 1DS at 55mm but it's easily livewithable - also every
shot was bang on (after taking my 1DS's slight rear focussing into
consideration - I'll have to get that fixed ;-) ..

so it's actually sharper than the cheapo 80-200-II at 200mm (some
feat for a cheap lens) and noticably sharper at 55mm than the
Rocket is at 80. I've only taken preliminary shots in lousy rainy
weather at ISO320 but at 200mm F5.6 it seems to match the old
100-300L** for SHARPNESS though I doubt the contrast will be
anywhere near as good and easily beats the 70-210 F3.5-4.5 USM for
everything bar AF speed, it certainly is less CA Prone than the
faster Ring USM Zoom... Quite a suprise, I've not shot it in good
weather yet or tested for flare but will post back should the sun /
sky come out to play if anyone is interested

55-200 USM II Pros ...
Sharper wide open than the 80-200 F4.5-5.6 or 70-210 F3.5-4.5 USM
.- even sharper than the Superb Sigma 55-200DC..
doesn't have a "one end of the zoom or the other" sharpness bias
like the 80-200 or the 70-210USM, it's equally sharp at both ends.
Light and compact
As Fast as Micro USM Gets in AF (a bit faster than the 80-200 Non USM)
Accurate AF
Very resilient to CA and dreaminess from what I can tell unlike the
90-300
Close focussing dist of 1.2m as opposed to 1.5m
cheap 52mmm Filters
Full Frame....

55-200 USM Cons
Not exactly Cheap (Camera world in the UK have the best deals
though), especially compared to the 80-200 version which can be had
for £50 used..
2cm longer than the 80-200 and bigger than the Sigma too
Vignettes a bit full frame at 55mm
Same Dog-Toy styling as the 18-55-EFS and the awful Mk2 versions of
the 28-90 and 28-105 F4-5.6

100% Wide open Crops from the 1DS shot RAW, the 55mm ones are all
taken from ONE scene which is supplied as a resized image - ISO320
in rain and mist (hence no contrast or real colour) the 200 ones
are from 2 different scenes



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Are you kidding...Absolutely, I would be interested as I'm sure
many others would be as well...I always look forward to all your
reviews as most are in my price range...
Hopefully the weather will clear up, it's been literally pissingdown for three days solid here - when I get to actually shoot the thing properly, I'll report back, so far it's a thumbs up and goodbye to the well served "Pocket Rocket" ..

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Hello Adam-T:

That's a load off...I was already getting bad vibes and the thing hasn't even shipped yet...

LW...
Don't tell me that...I just ordered one to try on my 20D...Sure
hope my experience is different...
I think it's a "10D thing" as it's better on the D60 and 1-series
cameras.

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I am sure it would fetch more money now that Adam-T had put his stamp of approval on the lens. I alway feel Adam can influence the used market of a lens. Look at what happened to 35-80USM, 80-200 pocket rocket, golden finger, magic drainpipe. Excellent review as always. Will(have) you reviewed Sigma DC 18-125 and EF-S 17-85 IS(this one is no dog toy, at least not on price)?
I've wanted a compact sharp little 50/55-200mm lens for the EOS
mount for some time after a brief time with the Sigma SD9 and
55-200DC as the Sigma lens is superb - the problem is that I ALWAYS
have a camera which has larger than 1.6X Cropped sensor (1D then
1DS) so the superb Sigma is a no go and I had to make do with the
80-200mm range and the lovely little 80-200 F4.5-5.6-II "pocket
Rocket"-

I used the original plastic mount 55-200USM (the one which
partnered the 22-55USM for the IX cameras) and it wasn't exactly
"soft" but was very dreamy wide open, suffered CA and AF was hit
and miss even on EOSes which could focus on what you aimed them at
(read D60 or 1-series) so ignored it.. When the 300D was released,
two new lenses were released, teh 18-55 "Dog toy" EF-S and the
matching 55-200USM II which is full frame and same glass / mount as
the original BUT has improved coatings for use on Digital cameras,
improved AF algorithms (though going by the original 55-200, that
wasn't hard), faster AF drive and new "Dog Toy" looks (a downer
from the original) - a mint Boxed used one appeared at my lens
dealer so I thought I'd give it a go to see if those lens coatings
and AF improvements fixed the original.

1DS used, ISO320 due to lousy misty weather shot wide open and hope
for the best.. ALL I wanted was the same sharpness as the 80-200-II
but stretched out to 55mm but I wasn't expecting what I got..
Sheesh man, this thing is sharper than the damn Sigma 55-200DC wide
open! from end to end across the frame - I kid you not..... it Vigs
a bit on the 1DS at 55mm but it's easily livewithable - also every
shot was bang on (after taking my 1DS's slight rear focussing into
consideration - I'll have to get that fixed ;-) ..

so it's actually sharper than the cheapo 80-200-II at 200mm (some
feat for a cheap lens) and noticably sharper at 55mm than the
Rocket is at 80. I've only taken preliminary shots in lousy rainy
weather at ISO320 but at 200mm F5.6 it seems to match the old
100-300L** for SHARPNESS though I doubt the contrast will be
anywhere near as good and easily beats the 70-210 F3.5-4.5 USM for
everything bar AF speed, it certainly is less CA Prone than the
faster Ring USM Zoom... Quite a suprise, I've not shot it in good
weather yet or tested for flare but will post back should the sun /
sky come out to play if anyone is interested

55-200 USM II Pros ...
Sharper wide open than the 80-200 F4.5-5.6 or 70-210 F3.5-4.5 USM
.- even sharper than the Superb Sigma 55-200DC..
doesn't have a "one end of the zoom or the other" sharpness bias
like the 80-200 or the 70-210USM, it's equally sharp at both ends.
Light and compact
As Fast as Micro USM Gets in AF (a bit faster than the 80-200 Non USM)
Accurate AF
Very resilient to CA and dreaminess from what I can tell unlike the
90-300
Close focussing dist of 1.2m as opposed to 1.5m
cheap 52mmm Filters
Full Frame....

55-200 USM Cons
Not exactly Cheap (Camera world in the UK have the best deals
though), especially compared to the 80-200 version which can be had
for £50 used..
2cm longer than the 80-200 and bigger than the Sigma too
Vignettes a bit full frame at 55mm
Same Dog-Toy styling as the 18-55-EFS and the awful Mk2 versions of
the 28-90 and 28-105 F4-5.6

100% Wide open Crops from the 1DS shot RAW, the 55mm ones are all
taken from ONE scene which is supplied as a resized image - ISO320
in rain and mist (hence no contrast or real colour) the 200 ones
are from 2 different scenes



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I believe you didn't mention the whole front of the lens rotates and extends and retracts when focusing. This is distance scale whatsover. Could be a fact for some people.
I've wanted a compact sharp little 50/55-200mm lens for the EOS
mount for some time after a brief time with the Sigma SD9 and
55-200DC as the Sigma lens is superb - the problem is that I ALWAYS
have a camera which has larger than 1.6X Cropped sensor (1D then
1DS) so the superb Sigma is a no go and I had to make do with the
80-200mm range and the lovely little 80-200 F4.5-5.6-II "pocket
Rocket"-

I used the original plastic mount 55-200USM (the one which
partnered the 22-55USM for the IX cameras) and it wasn't exactly
"soft" but was very dreamy wide open, suffered CA and AF was hit
and miss even on EOSes which could focus on what you aimed them at
(read D60 or 1-series) so ignored it.. When the 300D was released,
two new lenses were released, teh 18-55 "Dog toy" EF-S and the
matching 55-200USM II which is full frame and same glass / mount as
the original BUT has improved coatings for use on Digital cameras,
improved AF algorithms (though going by the original 55-200, that
wasn't hard), faster AF drive and new "Dog Toy" looks (a downer
from the original) - a mint Boxed used one appeared at my lens
dealer so I thought I'd give it a go to see if those lens coatings
and AF improvements fixed the original.

1DS used, ISO320 due to lousy misty weather shot wide open and hope
for the best.. ALL I wanted was the same sharpness as the 80-200-II
but stretched out to 55mm but I wasn't expecting what I got..
Sheesh man, this thing is sharper than the damn Sigma 55-200DC wide
open! from end to end across the frame - I kid you not..... it Vigs
a bit on the 1DS at 55mm but it's easily livewithable - also every
shot was bang on (after taking my 1DS's slight rear focussing into
consideration - I'll have to get that fixed ;-) ..

so it's actually sharper than the cheapo 80-200-II at 200mm (some
feat for a cheap lens) and noticably sharper at 55mm than the
Rocket is at 80. I've only taken preliminary shots in lousy rainy
weather at ISO320 but at 200mm F5.6 it seems to match the old
100-300L** for SHARPNESS though I doubt the contrast will be
anywhere near as good and easily beats the 70-210 F3.5-4.5 USM for
everything bar AF speed, it certainly is less CA Prone than the
faster Ring USM Zoom... Quite a suprise, I've not shot it in good
weather yet or tested for flare but will post back should the sun /
sky come out to play if anyone is interested

55-200 USM II Pros ...
Sharper wide open than the 80-200 F4.5-5.6 or 70-210 F3.5-4.5 USM
.- even sharper than the Superb Sigma 55-200DC..
doesn't have a "one end of the zoom or the other" sharpness bias
like the 80-200 or the 70-210USM, it's equally sharp at both ends.
Light and compact
As Fast as Micro USM Gets in AF (a bit faster than the 80-200 Non USM)
Accurate AF
Very resilient to CA and dreaminess from what I can tell unlike the
90-300
Close focussing dist of 1.2m as opposed to 1.5m
cheap 52mmm Filters
Full Frame....

55-200 USM Cons
Not exactly Cheap (Camera world in the UK have the best deals
though), especially compared to the 80-200 version which can be had
for £50 used..
2cm longer than the 80-200 and bigger than the Sigma too
Vignettes a bit full frame at 55mm
Same Dog-Toy styling as the 18-55-EFS and the awful Mk2 versions of
the 28-90 and 28-105 F4-5.6

100% Wide open Crops from the 1DS shot RAW, the 55mm ones are all
taken from ONE scene which is supplied as a resized image - ISO320
in rain and mist (hence no contrast or real colour) the 200 ones
are from 2 different scenes



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used market of a lens. Look at what happened to 35-80USM
Yeah, you can get at least £25 for one now !!! LOL..
always. Will(have) you reviewed Sigma DC 18-125 and EF-S 17-85
IS(this one is no dog toy, at least not on price)?
the Sigma 18-125 I tried was a total Dud and made their own 18-50DC (the £80 one) look like an L and haven't managed to get my hands on another - as for the 17-85, until someone hands me one which fits a D60, it'll stay un-reviewed unfortunately as I'd like to see what it can do and how it compares to the 24-85.. Stupid Canon and damn EF-S, especially for the 10-22, now that one REALLY looks promising - I'd love a full frame version ;-).

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Hello Adam-T:

Maybe you could call the 55-200 the "Pocket Rocket II"...For me my 80-200 will always be my pocket rocket as I possess small pockets...

LW...
Are you kidding...Absolutely, I would be interested as I'm sure
many others would be as well...I always look forward to all your
reviews as most are in my price range...
Hopefully the weather will clear up, it's been literally
pissingdown for three days solid here - when I get to actually
shoot the thing properly, I'll report back, so far it's a thumbs up
and goodbye to the well served "Pocket Rocket" ..

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I believe you didn't mention the whole front of the lens rotates
and extends and retracts when focusing. This is distance scale
whatsover. Could be a fact for some people.
To be honest Franklin, I'd have thought that most people would take that for granted with ALL Micro USM lenses (bar the 50 F1.4) incuding this one but thanks for pointing it out - I forget that newbies read these forums too.

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