D 2 late

simply because I never shoot above iso 800, how you guys managed
whwn you were still on film, because surely push processed film was
a lot grainer? Sorry if this sounds stupid, but it's a genuine
question.
Doesn't sound stupid at all. I've often wondered the very same thing

Shiner
 
IH,

I have D1x, D100, D2h. I have shot with all Nikon digital and like
the d2h but image quality is a joke. I am worried d2x will have
similar characteristics. Remember what they said about the d2h
before it was released!
I do remeber it every day, but I can not take press release to court :-(
I know many professionals who were angry
the camera didn't deliver. Most switched and those who stayed are
really pinning their hopes on the d2x.
I DO NOT expecting any goods from the D2X.

I am very pessimistic; Nikon put too much pixels into very small area and that smells very bad noise,
As the old saying goes
"Fool me once, shame on..."
I will not run to buy it.
As for any improvement in noise and color, well people using the d1
had the same hope.
--
Hadari
http://www.hadari.com
 
simply because I never shoot above iso 800, how you guys managed
whwn you were still on film, because surely push processed film was
a lot grainer? Sorry if this sounds stupid, but it's a genuine
question.

--
Peter Bendheim
http://www.imagessouthafrica.co.za
When you shot film, the person shooting next to you was using the same film with the same results. Now, if the person shooting next to you is getting noise free results, then you need to also.

Ron Anderson
 
D2H is better than film, but when you're shooting next to a guy with Canon 1D both shooting in low light and then see the other guy's photo...its kinda embarassing having a grainy photo next to a fairly clean 1D shot (note I'm not even talking about the 1Dmark2). It's not grainy in every situation, but in low light conditions it gets pretty grainy to the competition and when it comes to the bottom line money-wise, you want the cleanest shot.

In defense of the D2H, I really like it and it gets the job done. Honestly I'm more interested in the D100 replacement than the D2X, just for the fact that I want an 8mp camera.
--
got banned?

http://www.inhousephoto.com
 
Now, to my very serious for all three of you. I have heard these
complaints about Nikon in general and the D2H in particular for
several years now, often when Canon announces some new gear.
That is not true. I did start copmplain only about the D2H and not any conection to Canon announces new gear. I did like the D1X and it served me bountifully but when I hold a D2H in hands, it is very hard to go back and use the D1X. I do it only for studio work, portraits mostly and when most of the job needed to be shoot at high iso.

For many years, I was working in MF mode when already Canon had the USM AF system. I tried Canon but could not get used to the poor flash system.
have also heard, from many professionals here and elsewhere, that
you, unlike me, have a very short ROI on your equipment purchases,
and that sometimes that can be a matter of just a few jobs.
Not true again, at least for me. I live and work in Israel and if I understood what is ROI,I have to do much morejobs to cover buying digital body or good 2.8 lens compare to what a pro has in the USA. I know that, I work here for few American co. and I have NY freinds working pro. By the way, I pay here about 15-25% more and to get good service, I should buy my gear in Israel. I do get very very good and fast service when ever I need. Nikon Israel even gives me gear like bodies with no charged if I need for few days.
So, given all of that background, what I don't understand is why
any of you would even hesitate to move to Canon.
I hope I answered some of your points. What I know that my next Nikon, if at all, will be inside my photography bag ONLY after exelent marks in pro reviews!!!

--
Hadari
http://www.hadari.com
 
Iliah,

Pro or no pro, you may bury your head (& whole body, it seems) in the sand as much as you like.

The original poster is so right.

Canon are about 2-3 years ahead, it seems.

Not that it will make my reliable equipment worthless. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

However if you wish to have superior technology at your dispoal (that is challenging MF backs), there is no choice at the moment.
 
I use my review and I don't think that allowing me to view the image at over 100% is cosmetic. Neither are the new focusing options and adjustments. By your definition, any updates that don't effect image quality is cosmetic. However, focus does effect image quality, at least, for my images it does.

--
Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m
All what the last firmware update was "cosmetic", nothing to
improve the file output!
 
I have D1x, D100, D2h. I have shot with all Nikon digital and like
the d2h but image quality is a joke. I am worried d2x will have
similar characteristics. Remember what they said about the d2h
before it was released!
I believe they stated that the hot pixel noise would be reduced with the new sensor. Have you taken a 15 second exposure with the D2H and compared it to a 15 second exposure with the D1H or D1X recently?

BTW, if you like the way a Canon image looks, you should switch. Nikon won't ever produce an image that looks like a Canon image any more than Fuji, Kodak, or Olympus will. They all use unique electronics and firmware and they will always produce different results.

--
Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m
 
When you shot film, the person shooting next to you was using the
same film with the same results. Now, if the person shooting next
to you is getting noise free results, then you need to also.
Then I guess with digital you need to buy the same camera. Digital cameras all have unique fingerprints and looks. If you want to look like the other guy's camera, then you're going to have to switch cameras.

--
Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m
 
Bill,

I requested full-time working professionals because I have met so many professionals who switched because Nikon dropped the ball with the d2h.

It seems on this forum, one gets accused of being a troll when one mentions the d2h's problems. You get these accusations from some whose livelihood doesn't depend on not only getting the best image from an event but an image quality that is competative and marketable.

Photography is an exteremely competitive field especially in New York City. The slightest edge goes a long way. the d2h doesn't give you the edge in final image quality. that's where it counts.
I am one of the few full-time working professionals still shooting
Nikon and I must say that the d2x was an admirable attempt at
shoring up the Nikon base. Unfortunately, most professionals have
made the switch and Nikon is fast becoming the choice of amateurs
and price-conscious consumers.

At every venue I am overwhelmed by the white lenses. I work in NYC
and almost every major agency has switched, first because of the
1d/1ds and the terrific system(IS, 8fps etc) then the mk2 was the
nail in the coffin. Getty, NY times, ap, us news, time.....

i have 2 d2h's and as a pro the limitations of this camera are
frustratingly clear. low megapixel, hi noise if you shoot above
640. working at night is a nightmare especially if you
accidentally underexpose 1/3 stop.

Please comment if you are a full-time working professional, not a
software engineer who shoots birds as a hobby and loves the noise
characteristics of the d2h.
--
Bill Dewey
http://www.deweydrive.com
 
Who thinks the D2h has great image quality and good noise performace? Jeez just go back and read Phil's review and compare the 1d and D2h. Pretty damn close. Thom Hogan says the D2h is as clean as anything Nikon has made so far and has superior long exposure performance. I've owned a D1, D100 and D1x before the D2h. Liked em all but the D2h is my favorite. I think the trolls ought to actually try a D2h (or Canon DSLR for that matter) before offering their opinions.
The D2H makes our jobs harder, there is no question about it. The
lowlight performance is awful. Concerts at smaller venues/bars are
particularly painful. Night spot news is very difficult. Poorly
lit high school sports stadiums are difficult. If I shot this kind
of stuff on a regular basis, I would have been forced to move to a
Canon MkII a long time ago.

I get by with my D2H because I'm very good at photoshop and can
clean up images fairly quickly. If I was a shooter that did not
have a great deal of post-production skill/experience, the D2H
would be insanely frustrating. Nikon might as well bundle
Photoshop CS with the D2H, because you won't be able to get
consistently good images from the camera without it. (I say this
knowing that the above sentence will now be quoted a dozen times
with "ducks-right-out-of-the-camera" samples showing how this is
not true.)

I absolutely hate Canon ergonomics. I also don't like the soft
images I see coming out of their bodies. (I say this knowing that
the above sentence will now be quoted a dozen times with
"ducks-right-out-of-the-camera" samples showing how this is also
not true.) I can compensate for the softness in photoshop, but the
ergo is something that I've tried and failed to get used to.

But I am becoming resigned to the fact that I will probably have to
switch to Canon sometime in the next year or so. The D2X, although
promising, does not fix Nikon's lineup. It fills a big hole that
has existed for nearly two years. The switchable 1.5/2x thing is a
cute trick, but with a rated top-end speed of ISO 800, the D2X will
not fill the needs of photojournalists. For most of my indoor PJ
assignments, I start at ISO 800. I desperately need a clean
1600. I am hopeful that Nikon will do some sort of sensor upgrade
on the D2H, but I have no knowledge of this and it's only wishful
thinking.

I've done the math many times on what a switch to Canon would cost
me. The number comes in somewhere between $10,000 and $15,000,
depending on how optimistic I am about the value of my used gear.
The cost includes replacing three Nikon bodies (2 D2H, 1 D100) with
Canon equivalents (2 MkII, 1 Rebel OR 1DS), and swapping out the
lenses. I'm guessing that this is a fairly consistent number for
most shooters at my level.

In 2005 I am going to have to spend somewhere between $5,000 and
$10,000 on DSLR bodies. If I stay with Nikon, I will spend $5,000
on a D2X, and $1,000 - $2,000 on a sensor upgrade for my D2H's if
Nikon is wise enough to go this route. If I go with Canon, I spend
$10,000 and can be shooting at 8MP minimum all the way across the
board, with 11MP in the studio...more if I invest in whatever the
1DSmkII will be.

Wow, it's been awhile since I went through the math again, and it
surprises me how much easier the decision to make this switch is
getting. At this point, without an announced or even rumored
sensor upgrade for the D2H, it makes more sense to switch to Canon
in 2005.

I can't tell you how much I hate this.

Dave
I am one of the few full-time working professionals still shooting
Nikon and I must say that the d2x was an admirable attempt at
shoring up the Nikon base. Unfortunately, most professionals have
made the switch and Nikon is fast becoming the choice of amateurs
and price-conscious consumers.

At every venue I am overwhelmed by the white lenses. I work in NYC
and almost every major agency has switched, first because of the
1d/1ds and the terrific system(IS, 8fps etc) then the mk2 was the
nail in the coffin. Getty, NY times, ap, us news, time.....

i have 2 d2h's and as a pro the limitations of this camera are
frustratingly clear. low megapixel, hi noise if you shoot above
640. working at night is a nightmare especially if you
accidentally underexpose 1/3 stop.

Please comment if you are a full-time working professional, not a
software engineer who shoots birds as a hobby and loves the noise
characteristics of the d2h.
 
So, as long as we're stereotyping people here...

All software engineers take pictures of birds, and all semiconductor hardware engineers take pictures of old cars.

I wonder what that makes me...

Because I take pictures of landscapes, old cars when I can, and on the off chance I see a cool bird, I'll snap that too.

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My gallery...
http://www.reisendes-auge.com
If you visit, I'd love to know, feel free to sign the guest book! :D
 
Thanks ib1yysguy. It seems that any negative comment on the d2h image quality is drowned out by the nikon-loving echo chamber. There is only one thing I hate about the d2h and that is the image quality above 640ASA(and the low megapixel count).

I have used Nikons for more than 12 years and while they did well in the film days, they seriously dropped the ball with the d2h. Just ask any professional. I hope the d2x is the Nikon's digital salvation. seems they are targeting the amateur market these days with such runaway successes like the d70.
And I don't think it's constructive to critize him for speaking THE
TRUTH. Nikon's slipping away fast. It's hard to justify owning it
anymore. I've decided to switch and go Leica, but Canon's just as
viable an option.

al
 
For many years, I was working in MF mode when already Canon had the
USM AF system. I tried Canon but could not get used to the poor
flash system.
That's the key to everything, isn't it? You have to pick your poison. Bad shadow noise or bad flash(?). Maybe you should look at Canon again. From what I've read, the Mark II uses a new flash TTL system and it suppose to be quite good. If it's not, then you get to choose. Which is worse for you? Once your chosen, your not suppose to complain about your choice.

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Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m
 

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