A200: new (better) image processor or not ????

Karl C · Sep 15, 2004

Dcresource says: "New image processor for faster performance and better image quality".

It' strange this is not in the list of 'Major changes compared to the DiMAGE A2' on Dpreview, while Phil saw image quality of the A2 as the major shortcoming of the A2.

The press release of the A200 says: "With its proprietary new advanced LSI engine and CxProcess™ III image-processing technology, the DiMAGE A200 provides high-speed and stress-free image processing with low power consumption. And, its ability to suppress noise and provide exceptionally accurate color reproduction means that users get high-quality images every time."
Cheers.
Karl

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albedo · Sep 15, 2004

but don't expect high signal ratio. The 8mp 2/3¨ Sony sensor is the same as the one on the A2 (and other 8mp bridge camera). So the image quality will be the same as the one on the A2: excellent at low iso. May'be this new CXprocessIII will give better colors, better dynamic range, less moire and jpeg artifacts. Just this would be great.

This processor should drain less power, be a little faster (start up time, writing time). Again, this would be great.

Isola Verde · Sep 15, 2004

Until images for comparison are available (to which Dcresource may of course already have had access) any claim of such improvements remains an untested assertion on KM's part.

Of course we'd all like it to be true - but merely repeating, or rephrasing, sections of their press release won't make it so!

(Isn't it the difference in editorial standards that keeps us here on dpreview?)

However, if the new system is better, could I please have one retrofitted to my A2?

Peter
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Karl C said:
Dcresource says: "New image processor for faster performance and
better image quality".
It' strange this is not in the list of 'Major changes compared to
the DiMAGE A2' on Dpreview, while Phil saw image quality of the A2
as the major shortcoming of the A2.
The press release of the A200 says: "With its proprietary new
advanced LSI engine and CxProcess™ III image-processing technology,
the DiMAGE A200 provides high-speed and stress-free image
processing with low power consumption. And, its ability to suppress
noise and provide exceptionally accurate color reproduction means
that users get high-quality images every time."
Cheers.
Karl

http://www.pbase.com/karlc

Goshka · Mar 2, 2005

Karl C said:
Dcresource says: "New image processor for faster performance and
better image quality".

While it's not stated there what processor mentioned, DPreview says: 'New CxProcess™ III image processor'!

Isn't it more correct to say that A200 has 'The advanced LSI engine' which is a PROCESSOR, while 'CxProcess™ III' is 'image processing TECHNOLOGY'? I hope I'm making myself clear.

Here comes confusion! Since both A200 and D7 do have the same TECHNOLOGY, that is CxProcess™ III, which is in turn everywhere called a processor, everybody keeps saying that A200 has the same processor as D7!
Hope you are still with me

Now speaking about the PROCESSOR. The info below is taken from official KM sites:

'A2 is equipped with an advanced LSI circuit (aka processor)'

'The advanced LSI engine (aka processor) (A200)'

'the all-new Advanced LSI engine (aka, well.., you know

(7D)'

Here comes the question:

Which one of them is more advanced/newer? And which are different/the same?

Anyone care to clarify?

tapir · Mar 2, 2005

Just compare Timing numbers, especially cycle times, from A2 and A200 reveiws om http://www.imaging-resource.com . Btw, Dave's review is of much more favorable opinion (as well as http://www.megapixel.net ) about A2 image quality than Phil. Probably because Phil had an early lemon as a tester. Also it was before firmware upgrade.

albedo said:
but don't expect high signal ratio. The 8mp 2/3¨ Sony sensor is the
same as the one on the A2 (and other 8mp bridge camera). So the
image quality will be the same as the one on the A2: excellent at
low iso. May'be this new CXprocessIII will give better colors,
better dynamic range, less moire and jpeg artifacts. Just this
would be great.
This processor should drain less power, be a little faster (start
up time, writing time). Again, this would be great.

--
http://www.pbase.com/klopus

tapir · Mar 2, 2005

Just use excellent Comparator feature to see samr studio shots from two different cameras side by side.

Btw, http://www.imaging-resource.com is an excellent review site. Dave's reviews are no less knowledgeable, detailed and objective as Phil's. He also uses standard studio shots under controlled environment as opposed to DCResource where you can't compare directly shots from one camera to another. Lately Dave also started using Imates program for even more objective alas geeky comparative data.

Isola Verde said:
Of course we'd all like it to be true - but merely repeating, or
rephrasing, sections of their press release won't make it so!

(Isn't it the difference in editorial standards that keeps us here
on dpreview?)

However, if the new system is better, could I please have one
retrofitted to my A2?

Peter
--
http://www.pbase.com/isolaverde

Karl C said:

Dcresource says: "New image processor for faster performance and
better image quality".
It' strange this is not in the list of 'Major changes compared to
the DiMAGE A2' on Dpreview, while Phil saw image quality of the A2
as the major shortcoming of the A2.
The press release of the A200 says: "With its proprietary new
advanced LSI engine and CxProcess™ III image-processing technology,
the DiMAGE A200 provides high-speed and stress-free image
processing with low power consumption. And, its ability to suppress
noise and provide exceptionally accurate color reproduction means
that users get high-quality images every time."
Cheers.
Karl

http://www.pbase.com/karlc

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tapir · Mar 2, 2005

Goshka said:
Karl C said:

Dcresource says: "New image processor for faster performance and
better image quality".

Click to expand...

While it's not stated there what processor mentioned, DPreview
says: 'New CxProcess™ III image processor'!

Isn't it more correct to say that A200 has 'The advanced LSI
engine' which is a PROCESSOR, while 'CxProcess™ III' is
'image processing TECHNOLOGY'? I hope I'm making myself clear.

Here comes confusion! Since both A200 and D7 do have the same
TECHNOLOGY, that is CxProcess™ III, which is in turn
everywhere called a processor, everybody keeps saying that A200 has
the same processor as D7!
Hope you are still with me

Now speaking about the PROCESSOR. The info below is taken from
official KM sites:

'A2 is equipped with an advanced LSI circuit (aka processor)'

'The advanced LSI engine (aka processor) (A200)'

'the all-new Advanced LSI engine (aka, well.., you know (7D)'

Here comes the question:

Which one of them is more advanced/newer? And which are
different/the same?

Anyone care to clarify?

--
http://www.pbase.com/klopus

Goshka · Mar 2, 2005

tapir said:
Goshka said:

Karl C said:

Dcresource says: "New image processor for faster performance and
better image quality".

Click to expand...

While it's not stated there what processor mentioned, DPreview
says: 'New CxProcess™ III image processor'!

Isn't it more correct to say that A200 has 'The advanced LSI
engine' which is a PROCESSOR, while 'CxProcess™ III' is
'image processing TECHNOLOGY'? I hope I'm making myself clear.

Here comes confusion! Since both A200 and D7 do have the same
TECHNOLOGY, that is CxProcess™ III, which is in turn
everywhere called a processor, everybody keeps saying that A200 has
the same processor as D7!
Hope you are still with me

Now speaking about the PROCESSOR. The info below is taken from
official KM sites:

'A2 is equipped with an advanced LSI circuit (aka processor)'

'The advanced LSI engine (aka processor) (A200)'

'the all-new Advanced LSI engine (aka, well.., you know (7D)'

Here comes the question:

Which one of them is more advanced/newer? And which are
different/the same?

Anyone care to clarify?

Click to expand...

--
http://www.pbase.com/klopus

Now I just really want to know what is so new about the A200 processor and if it's really the one used in D7. Feel mislead.

Big Squeeze · Mar 2, 2005

I am not sure if it is true or not, however while i was investigating which camera to purchase, when i questioned KM about the differences between the A2 & the A200 I was told that the A200 has the same processor engine as the 7D it is a upgrade fromt he A2. There were problems with the A2 and this fixed it.

Wally

Goshka said:
tapir said:

Goshka said:

Karl C said:

Dcresource says: "New image processor for faster performance and
better image quality".

Click to expand...

While it's not stated there what processor mentioned, DPreview
says: 'New CxProcess™ III image processor'!

Isn't it more correct to say that A200 has 'The advanced LSI
engine' which is a PROCESSOR, while 'CxProcess™ III' is
'image processing TECHNOLOGY'? I hope I'm making myself clear.

Here comes confusion! Since both A200 and D7 do have the same
TECHNOLOGY, that is CxProcess™ III, which is in turn
everywhere called a processor, everybody keeps saying that A200 has
the same processor as D7!
Hope you are still with me

Now speaking about the PROCESSOR. The info below is taken from
official KM sites:

'A2 is equipped with an advanced LSI circuit (aka processor)'

'The advanced LSI engine (aka processor) (A200)'

'the all-new Advanced LSI engine (aka, well.., you know (7D)'

Here comes the question:

Which one of them is more advanced/newer? And which are
different/the same?

Anyone care to clarify?

Click to expand...

--
http://www.pbase.com/klopus

Click to expand...

Now I just really want to know what is so new about the A200
processor and if it's really the one used in D7. Feel mislead.

zedu · Mar 3, 2005

I understand the imaging processor of a camera not as the central processing unit of it, being responsible only for imaging processing (filtering, shapening, etc) and not for focus, screen, keys, saving to memory cards and so on.

So it problably do imaging processing tasks better, being slower on other camera usual tasks.

Regards Zedu

Karl C said:
Dcresource says: "New image processor for faster performance and
better image quality".
It' strange this is not in the list of 'Major changes compared to
the DiMAGE A2' on Dpreview, while Phil saw image quality of the A2
as the major shortcoming of the A2.
The press release of the A200 says: "With its proprietary new
advanced LSI engine and CxProcess™ III image-processing technology,
the DiMAGE A200 provides high-speed and stress-free image
processing with low power consumption. And, its ability to suppress
noise and provide exceptionally accurate color reproduction means
that users get high-quality images every time."
Cheers.
Karl

http://www.pbase.com/karlc

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