D2X and F6 : OFFICIAL PRESENTATION to RESELLERS

-- Crop x2 = 8fps / 6.9
MP (I don't remember how many pictures in the buffer then)
'nuf said
This would be such a bonehead move I'd think Nikon was taken over
by retards.
What he probably meant is that the math isn't right. One would expect 7.9MP, not 6.9.

The 8MP/8FPS thing makes more sense from a marketing standpoint too. They can say you're getting something that combines the best of the 1D MK II and the 1Ds.

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Do you mean that you know he's wrong because he can't remember how many in the buffer at x2 or because 6.9 looks wrong or because x2 looks wrong or what?

In my Paper Chase days, a wise prof said "When someone says 'clearly' or 'obviously', you know it's not clear/it's not obvious. Doesn't the "'nuf said" crutch fall into the same category?
-- Crop x2 = 8fps / 6.9
MP (I don't remember how many pictures in the buffer then)
'nuf said
 
It's not about megapixel hype. Let's say you're doing a job, you have a D2H and the other guy as a 1Dmark2. You happen to be stuck behind a press line and all of a suddenly the person you were supposed to shoot shows up. Unfortunately the guy isn't stopping, and you have to take the shot despite that person being at a distance. You have no time to switch lenses, so you take the shot.

The guy with the 1Dmark2 was in the same exact situation, except with the extra megapixels he is able to crop into the image and pull something out that is acceptable for print. You try doing the same thing, unfortunately with only 4mp you are unable to salvage such a detailed image. You loose the shot and you loose the sale.

This is a real life work situation. The ability to crop into an image can make the difference if you make a sale or not.

I don't need to print large, I just need more reassurance to guarantee the shot. More megapixels is that reassurance.
I still think Canon's line-up seems more effective. There seems to
be overlap between the D2H and the D2X.
Yeah, a lot of overlap between the D2h and D2x and a huge gap
between the D70 and D2h. Maybe a major price drop for the D2h?

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Thanks for clearing that up, Ron. You posted just before me.
 
It's a cool idea, but it just seems to fanciful to become a reality. Having a Camera that's both a 1.5x and 2.0x crop would be handy, but 2.0x on an SLR would be almost too small to compose anything.

It's just not going to happen. It would kill sales of the D2h in a big way (yeah yeah, it'll be like another 1000 bucks, but newspapers investing in cameras probably has deeper pockets than some dude who's just upgrading his D70 for family picnics) and it's just not necessary!!

You can argue all you want, but I've been saying for weeks that this is nothing more than the 'D2x' equivilant of what we all did with the D2h, which was set our bar of expectations unnaturally high to the point where the delivered product will only be a dissapointment, regardless of how fine the product actually is. You'll all see in a couple of days.
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Fullframe = 24mm x 36mm
1.5x Crop = 16mm x 24mm
2.0x Crop = 12mm x 18mm

Now, a 2.0x Crop taken from a 1.5x Cropped FF is equal to 1.33333x of that 1.5x crop.

16mm/12mm = 1.33333
24mm/18mm = 1.33333

12.32mp = 4300 x 2876 on a 24mm x 16mm sensor

So, 4300 / 1.33333 = 3225
and 2876 / 1.33333 = 2150

3225 x 2150 = 6.93mp on a 12mm x 18mm crop
-- Crop x2 = 8fps / 6.9
MP (I don't remember how many pictures in the buffer then)
'nuf said
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D2X and F6 : OFFICIAL PRESENTATION to RESELLERS.

(Please excuse my english, I know it sucks. Thank you !)

Yesterday at Nikon France, product presentation :
D2X, F6 and AF-s VR 300/2.8. Nothing else.

D2X : 12.4 MP, 5 fps, 15 NEF picts buffer. -- Crop x2 = 8fps / 6.9
MP (I don't remember how many pictures in the buffer then)
ISO 100 to 800, then only 1600 and 3200 accessible by custom settings.
Faster Wi-Fi and in two ways : the camera can be remotely operated
from a computer.
DXO integrated : each lens is recognised and corrected by DXO in
the camera...
Special setting : individual treatment of bright groups of pixels
to avoid or delay overexposure and improve dynamic response.
Same body as D2H, except a minor improvement on the vertical grip.
Improved (!) 3D metering system - still 1005 rvb pixels but new
algorythm.
Price in France : 5200 € - VAT included

Dave --> I don't know how they address the 2x mode in the
viewfinder, sorry ! I'll ask my friend tomorrow. By the way : this
person is the biggest Nikon reseller in France. I fully trust him :
these are NOT rumors. I only wish I could have been there with him.
But I'm "just" a pro photographer, not a reseller...

F6 : replaces F5 and F100. As big as F100. Unlike the F5, it is not
monobloc (do you say "monobloc" in english ?) External battery pack
available.
Without it, it needs lithium batteries (!?!) and reaches 5fps. With
the MB-something, it uses either 8 AA standard batteries or the
same EN-EL4 as D2 series. It then reaches 8fps.
Improved 3D metering system over the F5, i-TTL also available.
D2-like AF, adapted to 24x36mm.
100 % viewfinder. Not interchangeable.
Construction quality is F5/D2 like. Much better than the plastic
F100 (my friend said).
Price in France : 2200 € - VAT included. => this is good news...

Availability : I don't know !!! I forgot to ask ! Sorry !

Taken from:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/112358/39

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Thanks. I appreciate it when the good guys look out after each other.

Hey, If you were me (see my equip in profile), would you buy the D2h or 70-200VR first. I will likely end up with both in 6-8 months time. And, I do not plan to sell anything I already have.
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I am not you but a lens is part of the definitive system, a body (especially after the new toys will be officially announced) might be a different one all together.
Hey, If you were me (see my equip in profile), would you buy the
D2h or 70-200VR first. I will likely end up with both in 6-8
months time. And, I do not plan to sell anything I already have.
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Thanks. I appreciate it when the good guys look out after each other.

Hey, If you were me (see my equip in profile), would you buy the
D2h or 70-200VR first. I will likely end up with both in 6-8
months time. And, I do not plan to sell anything I already have.
Buy the 70-200VR, you can get it now. The camera is likely to take a few months before you'll be able to get it. Also consider getting a 1.7x teleconvertor (if you don't have any TCs currently).

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It's a cool idea, but it just seems to fanciful to become a
reality. Having a Camera that's both a 1.5x and 2.0x crop would be
handy, but 2.0x on an SLR would be almost too small to compose
anything.

It's just not going to happen. It would kill sales of the D2h in a
big way (yeah yeah, it'll be like another 1000 bucks, but
newspapers investing in cameras probably has deeper pockets than
some dude who's just upgrading his D70 for family picnics) and it's
just not necessary!!

You can argue all you want, but I've been saying for weeks that
this is nothing more than the 'D2x' equivilant of what we all did
with the D2h, which was set our bar of expectations unnaturally
high to the point where the delivered product will only be a
dissapointment, regardless of how fine the product actually is.
You'll all see in a couple of days.
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Al
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.
If I were you, I would have chosen be silent now, just wait one or two more day then everyone will know the answer. It is better than making big cliam now at the rislk of looking very bad then.

My 2c.

BTW, I fully think it is possible. Remember a year ago the "pope" (whoever in the Canon forum) mentioned he'd saw a propotype camera from Nikon that was very interesting and revolutionary. At the time everyone thought it was a 35mm DSLR with film/digital back. It becomes clear now it was a camera with dual mode.
 
You beat me to it.
Now, a 2.0x Crop taken from a 1.5x Cropped FF is equal to 1.33333x
of that 1.5x crop.

16mm/12mm = 1.33333
24mm/18mm = 1.33333

12.32mp = 4300 x 2876 on a 24mm x 16mm sensor

So, 4300 / 1.33333 = 3225
and 2876 / 1.33333 = 2150

3225 x 2150 = 6.93mp on a 12mm x 18mm crop
-- Crop x2 = 8fps / 6.9
MP (I don't remember how many pictures in the buffer then)
'nuf said
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It's a cool idea, but it just seems to fanciful to become a
reality. Having a Camera that's both a 1.5x and 2.0x crop would be
handy, but 2.0x on an SLR would be almost too small to compose
anything.
I'm not following you here. If you look at the sports photographers lined up to shoot sporting events, you see a sea of long, white lenses. I'm sure Nikon would be happy to replace some of those with shorter black ones.
It's just not going to happen. It would kill sales of the D2h in a
big way (yeah yeah, it'll be like another 1000 bucks, but
newspapers investing in cameras probably has deeper pockets than
some dude who's just upgrading his D70 for family picnics) and it's
just not necessary!!
Nikon should be so lucky to kill D2h sales in this way! Each customer they "lose" this way means more profit for them.

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Yeah, if I got the 70-200VR I was also going to try and get a 17-55DX, but those are like needles in haystack.

So, I can opt for:
70-200VR
18-70DX
1.7x TC
MB-D100
FM3a (because I want it)

Thanks for the advice.
Thanks. I appreciate it when the good guys look out after each other.

Hey, If you were me (see my equip in profile), would you buy the
D2h or 70-200VR first. I will likely end up with both in 6-8
months time. And, I do not plan to sell anything I already have.
Buy the 70-200VR, you can get it now. The camera is likely to take
a few months before you'll be able to get it. Also consider getting
a 1.7x teleconvertor (if you don't have any TCs currently).

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I just did the number math below and a 2.0x crop of FF is equal to a 1.3333x crop of a 1.5x sensor. So, with the 2.0x crop setting it is almost like putting a 1.4x TC on any lens you mount on the camera. Now, how many people use a 1.4x TC on long primes to get a little extra reach???
It's a cool idea, but it just seems to fanciful to become a
reality. Having a Camera that's both a 1.5x and 2.0x crop would be
handy, but 2.0x on an SLR would be almost too small to compose
anything.

It's just not going to happen. It would kill sales of the D2h in a
big way (yeah yeah, it'll be like another 1000 bucks, but
newspapers investing in cameras probably has deeper pockets than
some dude who's just upgrading his D70 for family picnics) and it's
just not necessary!!

You can argue all you want, but I've been saying for weeks that
this is nothing more than the 'D2x' equivilant of what we all did
with the D2h, which was set our bar of expectations unnaturally
high to the point where the delivered product will only be a
dissapointment, regardless of how fine the product actually is.
You'll all see in a couple of days.
--
Al
Set low goals and you'll never be disapointed.
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http://www.pbase.com/daytontp/ -- More Than 181,051 Views
 
The guy with the 1Dmark2 was in the same exact situation, except
with the extra megapixels he is able to crop into the image and
pull something out that is acceptable for print. You try doing the
same thing, unfortunately with only 4mp you are unable to salvage
such a detailed image. You loose the shot and you loose the sale.

This is a real life work situation. The ability to crop into an
image can make the difference if you make a sale or not.

I don't need to print large, I just need more reassurance to
guarantee the shot. More megapixels is that reassurance.
I still think Canon's line-up seems more effective. There seems to
be overlap between the D2H and the D2X.
Yeah, a lot of overlap between the D2h and D2x and a huge gap
between the D70 and D2h. Maybe a major price drop for the D2h?

-jason m

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