Question: 300D shot to shot time including preview

[River Side]

Normally i'd want to shoot and then preview (sometimes zoom in too) and often I would like to delete a shot as soon as it starts appearing on the LCD if i don't like it..

Can 300D owners please clarify for me the time it takes them to shoot something and for the image to appear on the LCD .. i have read some D70 users comparing the two cameras and totally writing off the 300D as too slow. In my brief handling at the store things looked.. hmm ok with 300D.. nothing spectacular.. but real life users can help me by letting me know their impressions of the speed with which a shot appears and how fast they can delete a bad shot and move to the next shot.

Thanks

 

[Doug Kerr]

Side,

Normally i'd want to shoot and then preview (sometimes zoom in too)
and often I would like to delete a shot as soon as it starts
appearing on the LCD if i don't like it..

Can 300D owners please clarify for me the time it takes them to
shoot something and for the image to appear on the LCD .. i have
read some D70 users comparing the two cameras and totally writing
off the 300D as too slow. In my brief handling at the store things
looked.. hmm ok with 300D.. nothing spectacular.. but real life
users can help me by letting me know their impressions of the speed
with which a shot appears and how fast they can delete a bad shot
and move to the next shot.

On the 300D, the image appears in preview approximately 1.8 seconds after the shot (at least in the Medium/Fine image size/comporession mode).

The image appears in the preview fully all at the same time.

I have never deleted a shot so I have no idea how long that takes.

Best regards,

Doug

 

[dwalby]

I believe the write time to the CF card is faster in the D70 so if the LCD is already on the next shot might appear somewhat faster on the D70 than the 300D, especially in RAW mode. I haven't really evaluated it that way because I tend to take a few shots and then review them, rather than review each shot as it is taken, so I can't help you much there.

But, you mentioned zooming, and in that respect the 300D has 10x capability whereas the D70 has something like 4x. One of the review write-ups should have the exact number.

Normally i'd want to shoot and then preview (sometimes zoom in too)
and often I would like to delete a shot as soon as it starts
appearing on the LCD if i don't like it..

Can 300D owners please clarify for me the time it takes them to
shoot something and for the image to appear on the LCD .. i have
read some D70 users comparing the two cameras and totally writing
off the 300D as too slow. In my brief handling at the store things
looked.. hmm ok with 300D.. nothing spectacular.. but real life
users can help me by letting me know their impressions of the speed
with which a shot appears and how fast they can delete a bad shot
and move to the next shot.

Thanks

 

[Rick Niles]

with the cost of CF and the extra time to delete why would you be bothered?

That seems to be a pretty week option to be comparing cameras and making a desision to buy from.

Just my opinion.
Rick

Normally i'd want to shoot and then preview (sometimes zoom in too)
and often I would like to delete a shot as soon as it starts
appearing on the LCD if i don't like it..

Can 300D owners please clarify for me the time it takes them to
shoot something and for the image to appear on the LCD .. i have
read some D70 users comparing the two cameras and totally writing
off the 300D as too slow. In my brief handling at the store things
looked.. hmm ok with 300D.. nothing spectacular.. but real life
users can help me by letting me know their impressions of the speed
with which a shot appears and how fast they can delete a bad shot
and move to the next shot.

Thanks

 

[msport]

D70 - take picture, image appears on display near instantly. By the time you remove camera from your eye it is there. Delete? Just tap the garbage can button twice and it's gone. (Same button, easy to find by feel) Again near instant. When the shot is displayed, you are now in playback mode, so you can scroll through your other pictures instantly, again with near zero delay. This speed makes it easy to check settings, histograms, exif data and so forth.

Canon Digital Rebel - A few seconds after a shot and the image appears. Noticeable lag, something like three seconds versus maybe 1/2 second. To delete must press three separate buttons, must look down to see what you are doing. Too cumbersome for some to do in the field. To enter playback mode, buffer must be empty (delay - maybe) then wait about three seconds or more after pressing play button (this is skipped for D70). Shows "busy" signal on display. Scrolling to different images has lag.

Shooting raw? D70 no change in behavior, image pops up fast, easy fast delete, near instant scrolling with no delay to get into playback mode. Canon Digital Rebel - long delays as files are written - bar graph shows wait time. Slower scrolling.

The two cameras are very different in the above aspects of use. This was very obvious to me when I shot with both over the weekend.

AX

 

[msport]

Shooting raw, 6 images, burst mode.

D70: 6 shots in roughly 3 seconds. First four in one second. Then about 1 per second indefinitely. Image pops up as soon as you lift your finger. All 6 visible in about 9 seconds from start. First few available right after you lift your finger, and instantly scrollable with histgram, exif, deletable. No delay to get into playback mode as you are automatically in it when you lifted your finger.

Canon: 6 shots in about 5 or 6 seconds. First three in about one second. past four about 2 seconds delay. Then about 7-8 seconds until next shot (!!!) past about 7 shots. First shot viewable after a short pause. About 30-40 seconds later you can view all and delete, scroll and so forth. Delay of about 1.5 seconds shot to shot to scroll in playback mode. I can see why some say they don't delete during capture time - it just takes too long.

When I was shooting karts over the weekend the lap times were very fast like 20 seconds or so. I'd miss a lap or two if I was waiting for the Canon, so raw files would simply not be an option.

Both cameras produce nice image quality.

AX

 

[RATPhoto]

It isn't horrible, it isn't spectacular.

You can delete a shot right away quite easily when the preview comes up at first. Just hit the trashcan button and confirm. If you wait, it takes longer because of additional steps needed.

In general, I would say it is good enough. If I have time to be reviewing the shot, I have time for this minimal pause. Where I don't have time, I might very well be in continous mode where I can get 4 shots of (in RAW) in a little over a second. That isn't blazingly fast but again is enough for some kinds of shooting where you want it.

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[River Side]

it's difficult for me to do a side by side comparison.. D70's are backordered and i may never be able to lay my hands on one to test and compare..

so having a faster card doesn't help with the 300D? I would want to shoot RAW most of the times and not that i'd be shooting sports or anything of the sort in bursts.. but just general shot to shot speed is important cuz i know the images are huge to process.. and knowing me I WOULD get annoyed at a 'slow' camera.. like i curse my P&S for missing shots cuz it's still downloading into the buffer..

Normally i'd want to shoot and then preview (sometimes zoom in too)
and often I would like to delete a shot as soon as it starts
appearing on the LCD if i don't like it..

Can 300D owners please clarify for me the time it takes them to
shoot something and for the image to appear on the LCD .. i have
read some D70 users comparing the two cameras and totally writing
off the 300D as too slow. In my brief handling at the store things
looked.. hmm ok with 300D.. nothing spectacular.. but real life
users can help me by letting me know their impressions of the speed
with which a shot appears and how fast they can delete a bad shot
and move to the next shot.

Thanks

 

[msport]

but it will certainly help when you upload the images into your computer. There is a site that shows card speed information for different cameras...search on galbraith and cf cards.

AX

 

[RATPhoto]

I don't think fast cards help the canon very much. I personally don't have a problem with the speed until I fill the buffer. Then it CAN be VERY annoying.

The slight delay in preview I do not find annoying but others certainly might. The speed of bring things up in review mode later IS relatively slow.

If this is the sort of thing that really annoys you, a different camera may well be what you should get.

In general, I find it pretty tolerable EXCEPT when the buffer is full (4 shots).

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[Victor Cody]

I have to agree that it seems silly to me to be choosing a camera based on playback and delete.

If you were shooting for Sports Illustrated or something of that nature I would understand. Even then they don't have time to erase images. I shoot alot of pro boarders and I think the reb does just fine. I do action sequences as well. Seconds are seconds. It takes one second to drop the camera from the eye to look at the VF. If I have time to view or erase then I have time to light my cig as well. Snap to snap time is what is essential.

A few years back I was one of the assigned photo press shooting Celine Dion (My personal Diva), in concert for Entertainer Magazine. There were 3 photographers and we were all scrambling to get as many shots in during the time allowed, (the first two songs). As I am leaning up onto the stage she walked directly up to me, as she was leaning down I snapped the shutter of my assigned Nikon. Then she leaned down, looked me right in the lens and struck a pose. The camera was still loading and I missed the most incredible shot of the night. Even the other photogs commented and I didn't have the guts to tell them I missed it.

What I am saying I understand the need for speed but not in viewing and erasing. C'mon where is the priority?.
Vic

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[Jarl Sandberg]

will it matter in your normal usage?

The example given by msport is correct but... I would be more concerned if there was a delay in switching to shooting mode when viewing pictures, and there is no such delay (as long as there is place in the buffer). Ok, he D70 is faster to empty the buffer so you might get new sequences faster, but both camera switches to shooting mode on the fly.

Normally I think it is better to review shots afterwards when things have calmed down and not while you're out there shoting action. Save your concentration for the action (you will need it) and (as long as it is on) the 300D switches to shooting mode instantly (just as the D70).

Since the zoom in button double as selection of focus point, msports example of zooming after a shoot isn't that valid. The camera switches to shooting mode instead of entering play mode and while you may have opinons about this combination of functions on the same button, the choice is clear (at least for me): it is better to give priority to shooting functions then play functions.

THe D70 is nice to play with but I think that the 300D has a better viewfinder (much easier to see which focus point that is selected)

--jalle

 

[hbh]

It is a matter of what is most important to you. If you need to be able to review the pictures quickly, and if that is a purchasing decision issue, then go get the black camera. Else, compare the output of both and decide which takes the better images for what you are doing if the final product is more important. Tradeoffs...

Footnote: When taking pictures like a sports event out on a sunny day, it is a non issue probably, because you probably wouldn't be able to see the LCD on either camera anyway.

Normally i'd want to shoot and then preview (sometimes zoom in too)
and often I would like to delete a shot as soon as it starts
appearing on the LCD if i don't like it..

Can 300D owners please clarify for me the time it takes them to
shoot something and for the image to appear on the LCD .. i have
read some D70 users comparing the two cameras and totally writing
off the 300D as too slow. In my brief handling at the store things
looked.. hmm ok with 300D.. nothing spectacular.. but real life
users can help me by letting me know their impressions of the speed
with which a shot appears and how fast they can delete a bad shot
and move to the next shot.

Thanks

 

[pvrnet]

To delete must press three separate buttons, must look
down to see what you are doing.

What r u talking about. You can delete the photo with the click of a single button while looking at the photo (trashcan button). Also, can you explain to me how you do not have to look down at the D70 to delete a photo.
--
Rich
http://www.pbase.com/dickie

 

[Jarl Sandberg]

since the example is about the "preview" after a shot. If you press the delete button the confirmation box will come up but if you twist the dial to select "delete", the camera switches into record mode again (since the dial will change program settings). You must use the direction pad to confirm deletion.

On the D70 you confirm deletion by pressing the delete button twice (and abort by pressing any other button) so you really don't have to look.

The D70 is full of short-cuts, there is even a button short cut to format the CF (which seems to be a little bit of overkill for me)

But then again, I don't know why I would like to delete a photo without looking at it even if I can...

--jalle

To delete must press three separate buttons, must look
down to see what you are doing.

What r u talking about. You can delete the photo with the click of
a single button while looking at the photo (trashcan button).
Also, can you explain to me how you do not have to look down at the
D70 to delete a photo.
--
Rich
http://www.pbase.com/dickie

 

[River Side]

yes.. it's about a purchasing decision.. i was about to get one yesterday at BB .. trying to get them to price match with the Microcenter deal but it's in limbo till Microcenter gets some actual stock..

this was i guess my last ditch research effort..

I don't shoot sports but I shoot something faster.. a 9 month old.. every shot is not a keeper and i can foresee shots which i'd delete without even a preview cuz i'd know through the viewfinder if he moved or blinked or otherwise.. so i don't want to waste time till the next shot waiting for either the first one to load or to be deleted..

Also there may be times i'll shoot some shots in succession.. not exactly a burst.. but just focus-compose-shoot, compose-shoot, compose-shoot as long as i have the scene under focus.. and then maybe the winner comes along and at that instant i don't want to be left hanging with a camera still loading photos..

As for wanting the black camera or the D70 etc.. if one were to only read my posts in that forum; i'm quite critical of all the perceived shortcomings of that camera .. the deal breaker for me is the lack of ISO100 and increased noise even at 200 compared to the Canon CMOS.. having to shoot RAW to get comparable image quality.. add to it the issues surrounding QC and totall unfamiliarity with Nikon and u have a very hesitant buyer who wants his solution within the Canon family .. doesn't want to spring for the 10D (heavier than i'd like too) and wants to make sure the Rebel will be worth it.. image quality AND feature set wise.

Normally i'd want to shoot and then preview (sometimes zoom in too)
and often I would like to delete a shot as soon as it starts
appearing on the LCD if i don't like it..

Can 300D owners please clarify for me the time it takes them to
shoot something and for the image to appear on the LCD .. i have
read some D70 users comparing the two cameras and totally writing
off the 300D as too slow. In my brief handling at the store things
looked.. hmm ok with 300D.. nothing spectacular.. but real life
users can help me by letting me know their impressions of the speed
with which a shot appears and how fast they can delete a bad shot
and move to the next shot.

Thanks

 

[relichunter]

this was i guess my last ditch research effort..

I don't shoot sports but I shoot something faster.. a 9 month old..
every shot is not a keeper and i can foresee shots which i'd delete
without even a preview cuz i'd know through the viewfinder if he
moved or blinked or otherwise.. so i don't want to waste time till
the next shot waiting for either the first one to load or to be
deleted..

Also there may be times i'll shoot some shots in succession.. not
exactly a burst.. but just focus-compose-shoot, compose-shoot,
compose-shoot as long as i have the scene under focus.. and then
maybe the winner comes along and at that instant i don't want to be
left hanging with a camera still loading photos..

As for wanting the black camera or the D70 etc.. if one were to
only read my posts in that forum; i'm quite critical of all the
perceived shortcomings of that camera .. the deal breaker for me is
the lack of ISO100 and increased noise even at 200 compared to the
Canon CMOS.. having to shoot RAW to get comparable image quality..
add to it the issues surrounding QC and totall unfamiliarity with
Nikon and u have a very hesitant buyer who wants his solution
within the Canon family .. doesn't want to spring for the 10D
(heavier than i'd like too) and wants to make sure the Rebel will
be worth it.. image quality AND feature set wise.

Normally i'd want to shoot and then preview (sometimes zoom in too)
and often I would like to delete a shot as soon as it starts
appearing on the LCD if i don't like it..

Can 300D owners please clarify for me the time it takes them to
shoot something and for the image to appear on the LCD .. i have
read some D70 users comparing the two cameras and totally writing
off the 300D as too slow. In my brief handling at the store things
looked.. hmm ok with 300D.. nothing spectacular.. but real life
users can help me by letting me know their impressions of the speed
with which a shot appears and how fast they can delete a bad shot
and move to the next shot.

Thanks

I know where you are coming from about deciding (I just bought mine last week), I researched for a couple of month's and it came down to the D70 and the rebel. I liked the features on the D70, but I liked the ISO100 on the rebel. Since I don't shoot sporting events, the 3 fps did not matter that much. My final deciding factor was price. for the price of the D70 with the kit lense, I got the Drebel w/kit lense, 512mb ultra II card and a canon 75-300 mm III USM zoom lense.

I knew the Drebel took great pictures and could not justify paying more for the D70.

I will tell you that I have not regretted my decision one bit. I love my Rebel!!!!

Just my .02

--
Relichunter

Learning is a constant in life. It's everything else that changes.

 

[msport]

pvrnet wrote:

What r u talking about. You can delete the photo with the click of> a single button while looking at the photo (trashcan button).

Well this does not work on the camera I used! If you take a shot, you must wait until the image appears on screen. Then you press the right arrow button until the OK is highlighted on the screen. Then you press the set button to complete the three step delete using three different buttons. Is there another way? Could i have misunderstood something, please let me know.

Also, can you explain to me how you do not have to look down at the> D70 to delete a photo.> Rich

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This is easy. If you take a shot and you know it's a stinker, all you do is hit the trash button with your thumb, twice. No delays. It's the only button down there. So you don't have to look you can do it by feel.

AX

 

[msport]

Now I'm curious and want to get to the bottom of this matter. I'll see if the Canon manual is available to me.

AX

 

[msport]

The Canon Digital Rebel which I used would beep twice when autofocus was achieved...at the same time as the beeps the focus spot (out of 7 but the camera was set to center only) would light up with a little red dot for about 1 second. After that you had no way to know which sensor was used. It's easy to miss that one second window.

On the D70 the selected AF sensor (of 5) is "filled in" and blinks. After focus you also here two beeps which sound very much like the Canon's. After this has occured the particular zone used stays filled in. There are also some custom settings for related behavior of this screen. And you can add or take away a grid which is nice for composing or getting architectural stuff straight. The blink from the Nikon viewfinder is less noticeable than the red blink on the Canon. The size of the Nikon is supposed to be smaller than the Canon's but if true its not really noticeable.

I'd like to see both viewfinders be much larger and brighter and have focussing screens that are easier to use for manual focussing. They can't do this on the Nikon because it would confuse the spot meter if they added a split center section.

AX