ok, it comes down to this. Purchase help!

[windoze]

BTW - I am not trying to start any forum wars here just trying to improve my images.

i like three things: portraits of my children, soccer and sports images of my kids, birds in flight. These are representative of what I can consistently do with my sony 828:







I see a difference many time sin the quality between the 828 and drebel, the latter seems smoother.

would the drebel with kit lens and 70-200 f2.8 yiled me better images? considering all other factors remain the same? Or, should one keep exploring and developing their skills at what they have?????

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[Isabel Cutler]

Please email me.
Isabel

BTW - I am not trying to start any forum wars here just trying to
improve my images.

i like three things: portraits of my children, soccer and sports
images of my kids, birds in flight. These are representative of
what I can consistently do with my sony 828:







I see a difference many time sin the quality between the 828 and
drebel, the latter seems smoother.
would the drebel with kit lens and 70-200 f2.8 yiled me better
images? considering all other factors remain the same? Or, should
one keep exploring and developing their skills at what they
have?????

--
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http://www.windoze.smugmug.com an dlet me know if you like them

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[windoze]

BTW - I am not trying to start any forum wars here just trying to
improve my images.

i like three things: portraits of my children, soccer and sports
images of my kids, birds in flight. These are representative of
what I can consistently do with my sony 828:







I see a difference many time sin the quality between the 828 and
drebel, the latter seems smoother.
would the drebel with kit lens and 70-200 f2.8 yiled me better
images? considering all other factors remain the same? Or, should
one keep exploring and developing their skills at what they
have?????

--
Wanna see more? Check out my other images at
http://www.windoze.smugmug.com an dlet me know if you like them

--
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipets/
pBase supporter

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[Tony SD]

BTW - I am not trying to start any forum wars here just trying to
improve my images.

i like three things: portraits of my children, soccer and sports
images of my kids, birds in flight. These are representative of
what I can consistently do with my sony 828:







I see a difference many time sin the quality between the 828 and
drebel, the latter seems smoother.
would the drebel with kit lens and 70-200 f2.8 yiled me better
images? considering all other factors remain the same? Or, should
one keep exploring and developing their skills at what they
have?????

--

When it comes to birds the longer lenses available for the 300D make it a hands-down winner.

Very nice pics though! Loved the one of the little girl.

--
TonySD

 

[LeeBase]

Where are you feeling the pain? What kind of shots are you trying to take that you feel limited by with your 828?

Are there folks in the 828 world that are able to get good picts in the situations you find yourself limited?

I would not switch to get a marginally better picture. Not unless the money is not much of an issue.

However, let me suggest a scenario where your Sony might not be up to snuff -- indoor available light photography.

The availability of a variety of fast lenses (f 2.8 and below) combined with noise reduction software like Noise Ninja -- allows a LOT of ability to shoot indoor "no flash" shots with the d-reb that you probably CAN'T to with the 828.

As for sports, how is your ability to focus from one moment close to another moment far away? The D-Reb might not compare with the speed of a high end film camera at that task, but I'm fairly certain it beats the pants off any fixed len point and shoot, even the nice Sony.

But -- photo for photo where the two cameras are well within their ability, I'm not so sure the D-Reb is worth upgrading too.

You have a nice camera, and you don't have to carry around a 50lb bag of camera gear with you. The D-Reb is an entirely different KIND of camera.

Also, the D-Reb as in all digital SLR's, is set to give best results only with post processing. The point and shoots are designed to give you "out of the camera" great images.

For some, the post processing is part of the joy of photography. For others it's "why can't my thousand dollar camera take as good a picture as my old point and shoot".

The 828 is one of the best cameras in it's class. However, the D-Reb is in a different class. Not necessarily a "higher/better" class -- just a different one.

How you shoot, your budget for lenses and accessories, how much gear you want to carry around with you -- these are where you decide what class of camera to go with.

Lee

BTW - I am not trying to start any forum wars here just trying to
improve my images.

i like three things: portraits of my children, soccer and sports
images of my kids, birds in flight. These are representative of
what I can consistently do with my sony 828:







I see a difference many time sin the quality between the 828 and
drebel, the latter seems smoother.
would the drebel with kit lens and 70-200 f2.8 yiled me better
images? considering all other factors remain the same? Or, should
one keep exploring and developing their skills at what they
have?????

--
Wanna see more? Check out my other images at
http://www.windoze.smugmug.com an dlet me know if you like them

 

[windoze]

i wante dto get more quality soccer images and nto haveto rely on post processin as much as i have had to with the 828. i was really thinking that
the drebel would take sinificantly better images - maybe not????

troy

Are there folks in the 828 world that are able to get good picts in
the situations you find yourself limited?

I would not switch to get a marginally better picture. Not unless
the money is not much of an issue.

However, let me suggest a scenario where your Sony might not be up
to snuff -- indoor available light photography.

The availability of a variety of fast lenses (f 2.8 and below)
combined with noise reduction software like Noise Ninja -- allows a
LOT of ability to shoot indoor "no flash" shots with the d-reb that
you probably CAN'T to with the 828.

As for sports, how is your ability to focus from one moment close
to another moment far away? The D-Reb might not compare with the
speed of a high end film camera at that task, but I'm fairly
certain it beats the pants off any fixed len point and shoot, even
the nice Sony.

But -- photo for photo where the two cameras are well within their
ability, I'm not so sure the D-Reb is worth upgrading too.

You have a nice camera, and you don't have to carry around a 50lb
bag of camera gear with you. The D-Reb is an entirely different
KIND of camera.

Also, the D-Reb as in all digital SLR's, is set to give best
results only with post processing. The point and shoots are
designed to give you "out of the camera" great images.

For some, the post processing is part of the joy of photography.
For others it's "why can't my thousand dollar camera take as good a
picture as my old point and shoot".

The 828 is one of the best cameras in it's class. However, the
D-Reb is in a different class. Not necessarily a "higher/better"
class -- just a different one.

How you shoot, your budget for lenses and accessories, how much
gear you want to carry around with you -- these are where you
decide what class of camera to go with.

Lee

BTW - I am not trying to start any forum wars here just trying to
improve my images.

i like three things: portraits of my children, soccer and sports
images of my kids, birds in flight. These are representative of
what I can consistently do with my sony 828:







I see a difference many time sin the quality between the 828 and
drebel, the latter seems smoother.
would the drebel with kit lens and 70-200 f2.8 yiled me better
images? considering all other factors remain the same? Or, should
one keep exploring and developing their skills at what they
have?????

--
Wanna see more? Check out my other images at
http://www.windoze.smugmug.com an dlet me know if you like them

--
Wanna see more? Check out my other images at
http://www.windoze.smugmug.com an dlet me know if you like them

 

[RATPhoto]

BTW - I am not trying to start any forum wars here just trying to
improve my images.

i like three things: portraits of my children, soccer and sports
images of my kids, birds in flight. These are representative of
what I can consistently do with my sony 828:

I see a difference many time sin the quality between the 828 and
drebel, the latter seems smoother.
would the drebel with kit lens and 70-200 f2.8 yiled me better
images? considering all other factors remain the same? Or, should
one keep exploring and developing their skills at what they
have?????

That combo will give you better images and be more flexible. It will for example give you more reach for the soccer and the birds. With a 1.4 TC or 2x TC later on it will give you more reach yet for the birds. On the otherhand, it will be much less portable than the 828 and focus will be more critical since you will have less DOF.

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[DarkFudgeReturns]

I love when this question gets asked in one form or another....

The camera that you choose to use is like a paintbrush in an artist's hand or a cordless drill in a carpenter's tool box. The better your equipitment doesnt necessarily determine the quality of your work. It can only aid in assisting it.

A great photographer will produce great pictures with equiptment that he has mastered as will an artist and his brush that he has grown accustomed to.

In technical terms, the 2 cameras are very different, however the canon will provide the artist with much more flexability. great Photography is more about composition.......capturing a mood, a feeling, an expression moreso than it is about capturing pixels and sharp edges. That will only get you so far.

give me a disposable camera, a flashlight, some toilet paper, and perhaps 1 hot meal and I'll come home with an interesting picture.

BTW - I am not trying to start any forum wars here just trying to
improve my images.

i like three things: portraits of my children, soccer and sports
images of my kids, birds in flight. These are representative of
what I can consistently do with my sony 828:

I see a difference many time sin the quality between the 828 and
drebel, the latter seems smoother.
would the drebel with kit lens and 70-200 f2.8 yiled me better
images? considering all other factors remain the same? Or, should
one keep exploring and developing their skills at what they
have?????

That combo will give you better images and be more flexible. It
will for example give you more reach for the soccer and the birds.
With a 1.4 TC or 2x TC later on it will give you more reach yet for
the birds. On the otherhand, it will be much less portable than the
828 and focus will be more critical since you will have less DOF.

--
If you are a new user chances are good your question is answered in
the FAQ at:
http://www.marius.org/eos300dfaq.php

For a gallery of my photographs, see:
http://www.pbase.com/ratphoto

See my profile for my equipment

 

[windoze]

The camera that you choose to use is like a paintbrush in an
artist's hand or a cordless drill in a carpenter's tool box. The
better your equipitment doesnt necessarily determine the quality of
your work. It can only aid in assisting it.

A great photographer will produce great pictures with equiptment
that he has mastered as will an artist and his brush that he has
grown accustomed to.

In technical terms, the 2 cameras are very different, however the
canon will provide the artist with much more flexability. great
Photography is more about composition.......capturing a mood, a
feeling, an expression moreso than it is about capturing pixels and
sharp edges. That will only get you so far.

give me a disposable camera, a flashlight, some toilet paper, and
perhaps 1 hot meal and I'll come home with an interesting picture.

BTW - I am not trying to start any forum wars here just trying to
improve my images.

i like three things: portraits of my children, soccer and sports
images of my kids, birds in flight. These are representative of
what I can consistently do with my sony 828:

I see a difference many time sin the quality between the 828 and
drebel, the latter seems smoother.
would the drebel with kit lens and 70-200 f2.8 yiled me better
images? considering all other factors remain the same? Or, should
one keep exploring and developing their skills at what they
have?????

That combo will give you better images and be more flexible. It
will for example give you more reach for the soccer and the birds.
With a 1.4 TC or 2x TC later on it will give you more reach yet for
the birds. On the otherhand, it will be much less portable than the
828 and focus will be more critical since you will have less DOF.

--
If you are a new user chances are good your question is answered in
the FAQ at:
http://www.marius.org/eos300dfaq.php

For a gallery of my photographs, see:
http://www.pbase.com/ratphoto

See my profile for my equipment

--
Wanna see more? Check out my other images at
http://www.windoze.smugmug.com an dlet me know if you like them

 

[icmp]

give me a disposable camera, a flashlight, some toilet paper, and
perhaps 1 hot meal and I'll come home with an interesting picture.

 

[RATPhoto]

I love when this question gets asked in one form or another....

The camera that you choose to use is like a paintbrush in an
artist's hand or a cordless drill in a carpenter's tool box. The
better your equipitment doesnt necessarily determine the quality of
your work. It can only aid in assisting it.

A great photographer will produce great pictures with equiptment
that he has mastered as will an artist and his brush that he has
grown accustomed to.

In technical terms, the 2 cameras are very different, however the
canon will provide the artist with much more flexability. great
Photography is more about composition.......capturing a mood, a
feeling, an expression moreso than it is about capturing pixels and
sharp edges. That will only get you so far.

give me a disposable camera, a flashlight, some toilet paper, and
perhaps 1 hot meal and I'll come home with an interesting picture.

Which would be much more believable if you had a gallery to show for it. Its clear that windoze knows something about photography. He has shown a few shots. Perhaps just perhaps he was looking for information about that flexibility. Even a great painter probably prefers certain equipment. I know great guitarists do.

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http://www.marius.org/eos300dfaq.php

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http://www.pbase.com/ratphoto

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[DarkFudgeReturns]

Ahhh Please cut the BS........It doesnt take much intelligence to figure out Windoze's angle in his post.....Should I abbreviate it for you?...or can you figure it out?

I love when this question gets asked in one form or another....

The camera that you choose to use is like a paintbrush in an
artist's hand or a cordless drill in a carpenter's tool box. The
better your equipitment doesnt necessarily determine the quality of
your work. It can only aid in assisting it.

A great photographer will produce great pictures with equiptment
that he has mastered as will an artist and his brush that he has
grown accustomed to.

In technical terms, the 2 cameras are very different, however the
canon will provide the artist with much more flexability. great
Photography is more about composition.......capturing a mood, a
feeling, an expression moreso than it is about capturing pixels and
sharp edges. That will only get you so far.

give me a disposable camera, a flashlight, some toilet paper, and
perhaps 1 hot meal and I'll come home with an interesting picture.

Which would be much more believable if you had a gallery to show
for it. Its clear that windoze knows something about photography.
He has shown a few shots. Perhaps just perhaps he was looking for
information about that flexibility. Even a great painter probably
prefers certain equipment. I know great guitarists do.

--
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the FAQ at:
http://www.marius.org/eos300dfaq.php

For a gallery of my photographs, see:
http://www.pbase.com/ratphoto

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[Richard300]

but you haven't a clue what you are talking about. From my experience with windoze I can say that there is no "angle" to his post. He has a genuine interest in improving his photographic skills. You should not start a debate on people's intelligence since you do not seem equipped to handle that debate.

I love when this question gets asked in one form or another....

The camera that you choose to use is like a paintbrush in an
artist's hand or a cordless drill in a carpenter's tool box. The
better your equipitment doesnt necessarily determine the quality of
your work. It can only aid in assisting it.

A great photographer will produce great pictures with equiptment
that he has mastered as will an artist and his brush that he has
grown accustomed to.

In technical terms, the 2 cameras are very different, however the
canon will provide the artist with much more flexability. great
Photography is more about composition.......capturing a mood, a
feeling, an expression moreso than it is about capturing pixels and
sharp edges. That will only get you so far.

give me a disposable camera, a flashlight, some toilet paper, and
perhaps 1 hot meal and I'll come home with an interesting picture.

Which would be much more believable if you had a gallery to show
for it. Its clear that windoze knows something about photography.
He has shown a few shots. Perhaps just perhaps he was looking for
information about that flexibility. Even a great painter probably
prefers certain equipment. I know great guitarists do.

--
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the FAQ at:
http://www.marius.org/eos300dfaq.php

For a gallery of my photographs, see:
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Richard300

 

[DarkFudgeReturns]

guys...please lets drop it. Obviously, Windoze succeeded in what he set out to do. BTW, Windoez....great shots! And all done with an inferior camera to the EOS-300D...Even more striking!

Ok happy?

-Im the idiot....now lets move along people, there's nothing to see.

I love when this question gets asked in one form or another....

The camera that you choose to use is like a paintbrush in an
artist's hand or a cordless drill in a carpenter's tool box. The
better your equipitment doesnt necessarily determine the quality of
your work. It can only aid in assisting it.

A great photographer will produce great pictures with equiptment
that he has mastered as will an artist and his brush that he has
grown accustomed to.

In technical terms, the 2 cameras are very different, however the
canon will provide the artist with much more flexability. great
Photography is more about composition.......capturing a mood, a
feeling, an expression moreso than it is about capturing pixels and
sharp edges. That will only get you so far.

give me a disposable camera, a flashlight, some toilet paper, and
perhaps 1 hot meal and I'll come home with an interesting picture.

Which would be much more believable if you had a gallery to show
for it. Its clear that windoze knows something about photography.
He has shown a few shots. Perhaps just perhaps he was looking for
information about that flexibility. Even a great painter probably
prefers certain equipment. I know great guitarists do.

--
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the FAQ at:
http://www.marius.org/eos300dfaq.php

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http://www.pbase.com/ratphoto

See my profile for my equipment

--

Richard300

 

[RATPhoto]

No I really can't figure it out other than it looks like a legitimate question. Why don't you spell it out for me in excruciating detail. I need to learn how both a great photographer (without a gallery) and a great mind think. Please do.

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[RATPhoto]

Ok. I responded before I read the lets drop it. I'm willing to drop this thread if you are.

But I'm not willing to drop answering windose questions which are legitimate.

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[RATPhoto]

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=8568493

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[billybob_jcv]

I think you will still be doing post-processing with the DRebel. You will very likely still be processing from RAW, cropping, adjusting levels, sharpening, etc. I do think the DRebel may give you less processing of ISO noise, much greater opportunities to use DOF, and the ability to use outstanding lenses that provide specific advantages when shooting sports.

If you are serious about spending $3000+ for a DRebel + 70-200 IS to shoot a lot of sports, I would probably step-up to the 10D to get the larger buffer and more control over the focus modes. The Drebel will certainly do the job very well, but the 10D would probably do it more easily.

troy

Are there folks in the 828 world that are able to get good picts in
the situations you find yourself limited?

I would not switch to get a marginally better picture. Not unless
the money is not much of an issue.

However, let me suggest a scenario where your Sony might not be up
to snuff -- indoor available light photography.

The availability of a variety of fast lenses (f 2.8 and below)
combined with noise reduction software like Noise Ninja -- allows a
LOT of ability to shoot indoor "no flash" shots with the d-reb that
you probably CAN'T to with the 828.

As for sports, how is your ability to focus from one moment close
to another moment far away? The D-Reb might not compare with the
speed of a high end film camera at that task, but I'm fairly
certain it beats the pants off any fixed len point and shoot, even
the nice Sony.

But -- photo for photo where the two cameras are well within their
ability, I'm not so sure the D-Reb is worth upgrading too.

You have a nice camera, and you don't have to carry around a 50lb
bag of camera gear with you. The D-Reb is an entirely different
KIND of camera.

Also, the D-Reb as in all digital SLR's, is set to give best
results only with post processing. The point and shoots are
designed to give you "out of the camera" great images.

For some, the post processing is part of the joy of photography.
For others it's "why can't my thousand dollar camera take as good a
picture as my old point and shoot".

The 828 is one of the best cameras in it's class. However, the
D-Reb is in a different class. Not necessarily a "higher/better"
class -- just a different one.

How you shoot, your budget for lenses and accessories, how much
gear you want to carry around with you -- these are where you
decide what class of camera to go with.

Lee

BTW - I am not trying to start any forum wars here just trying to
improve my images.

i like three things: portraits of my children, soccer and sports
images of my kids, birds in flight. These are representative of
what I can consistently do with my sony 828:







I see a difference many time sin the quality between the 828 and
drebel, the latter seems smoother.
would the drebel with kit lens and 70-200 f2.8 yiled me better
images? considering all other factors remain the same? Or, should
one keep exploring and developing their skills at what they
have?????

--
Wanna see more? Check out my other images at
http://www.windoze.smugmug.com an dlet me know if you like them

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Wanna see more? Check out my other images at
http://www.windoze.smugmug.com an dlet me know if you like them

 

[JWP]

BTW - I am not trying to start any forum wars here just trying to
improve my images.

i like three things: portraits of my children, soccer and sports
images of my kids, birds in flight. These are representative of
what I can consistently do with my sony 828:

I see a difference many time sin the quality between the 828 and
drebel, the latter seems smoother.
would the drebel with kit lens and 70-200 f2.8 yiled me better
images? considering all other factors remain the same? Or, should
one keep exploring and developing their skills at what they
have?????

--
Wanna see more? Check out my other images at
http://www.windoze.smugmug.com an dlet me know if you like them

--
JWP

 

[windoze]

but Andy wants me to perfect my skills using the 828 and would say im not ready for a dslr. BTW my angle is only one thing - to take better photos of my family that are as best as "I" can get them.... thats it! windoze

BTW - I am not trying to start any forum wars here just trying to
improve my images.

i like three things: portraits of my children, soccer and sports
images of my kids, birds in flight. These are representative of
what I can consistently do with my sony 828:

I see a difference many time sin the quality between the 828 and
drebel, the latter seems smoother.
would the drebel with kit lens and 70-200 f2.8 yiled me better
images? considering all other factors remain the same? Or, should
one keep exploring and developing their skills at what they
have?????

--
Wanna see more? Check out my other images at
http://www.windoze.smugmug.com an dlet me know if you like them

--
JWP

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