Is USA censorship GOING CRAZY?

[j-a-s-o-n]

Mark Caplin,

The is little worth watching on TV in the U.S.; most of it should be censored. To me, U.S. TV programming is of so little value; my family watches just a few shows on a couple of stations. It is no wonder the video game market is so huge and online forums like this are so popular. TV producers feel forced to use shock tactics to gain ratings, when this is exactly why they are losing viewers. Rather than trying something new, imaginitive, or though provoking; they kneebuckle to a default, sex and violence sells and sexy violence sells best, platform. It should be censored. My family already does censor it. US TV producers need to do a public service, save us the trouble.

--
Jason

 

[AdamW]

The is little worth watching on TV in the U.S.; most of it should
be censored. To me, U.S. TV programming is of so little value; my
family watches just a few shows on a couple of stations. It is no
wonder the video game market is so huge and online forums like this
are so popular. TV producers feel forced to use shock tactics to
gain ratings, when this is exactly why they are losing viewers.
Rather than trying something new, imaginitive, or though provoking;
they kneebuckle to a default, sex and violence sells and sexy
violence sells best, platform. It should be censored. My family
already does censor it. US TV producers need to do a public
service, save us the trouble.

We need far more violence on TV than what we have now in the current system. After all, we are going to send our future generations to the armies, navies, and air forces, and it's better to be completely insensitized to blood, gore, and gunfire than getting involved in the aftermath.

Ok I might be talking with my head under the sand, but the bottom line is, more violence is better than less violence.
--
swatchhustler from the S.P.F.

 

[Theresa K]

Exactly how would we know that there would be bare body parts at a football game?
--
Theresa
The Digital Junkie! (w/a C-5060)

 

[Anthony32599]

First of all, it wasn't just at a football game. It was exposed in every household with a TV set on with children watching who don't understand that this isn't considered normal behavior. Why should parents have to put up with this? If I had kids, I sure wouldn't want them emulating this behavior!

Second, once you allow this sort of thing, it becomes "normal" or acceptable. It's called normalizing deviancy. Just because someone pushes the envelope doesn't mean that it should always be pushed. I'm sure you'd just be thrilled to have strangers grabbing your mother's/wife's/sister's/daughter's clothes and ripping them open to expose her breast.

There are times and places where this behavior is appropriate. Private clubs, cable TV, behind bedroom doors, etc. But certainly not in the middle of family viewing time.

Will it affect television content? Certainly. Photo content and internet? Nope, not a bit. Heck, how many people searched the internet for screen captures? A lot of people. And check the posting rules for this site. You couldn't post a Janet Jackson breast here, and that was prior to the game.

Anthony

All this hooha over a human breast being exposed at a football game?
Law suits and broadcasters changing content...

I imagine this will affect photographic content and change posting
rules for sites (like this) . Is the USA really this conservative?

--
http://www.pbase.com/mkelpie

 

[j-a-s-o-n]

We need far more violence on TV than what we have now in the
current system. After all, we are going to send our future
generations to the armies, navies, and air forces, and it's better
to be completely insensitized to blood, gore, and gunfire than
getting involved in the aftermath.

Ok I might be talking with my head under the sand, but the bottom
line is, more violence is better than less violence.

That's why we have combat simulation video games, first-person shooters. Total interactive slaying experiences. This is the training ground for both the street killers and US troops of today and tomorrow.

The US entertainment industry mixes sex and nudity with violence, contrary to some people's opinions, this is a bad/evil thing. I knew this one 4 year-old kid, after watching it on TV and being feeling empowered, he said, "When I grow up, I want to be a rapist!" and was promptly slapped by his mom. How many other young kids watch that garbage, have the same idea, and are not supervised or corrected? In some remote places in the US, this career path is still frowned upon. Being on this forum sometimes, I forget where those happy towns are.

--
Jason

 

[j-a-s-o-n]

looks like the common sense crew has arrived.

thoughts:

Where would this country be if we all shared the Jackson family's value system? Our own personal Neverlands I suppose or jail or washed up and desperate ... worldly rich, yet morally bankrupt ... reprobates. I wouldn't know how to be relativistic enough, to make everything they do okay.

--
Jason

 

[HonestMan]

A breast is shown on TV for 3 seconds and there is a huge scandal. Because of what? I guess everybody already got used to all of the violence a blood being spilled on TV so they don't protest anymore. Now they need a new subject to discuss.

So now, all of the live shows will be shown with a 5 minute delay... Sounds like comunistic cencorship to me....

I'll give you another example of how freedom in America works. Last week, on Sunday, was my fiance's birthday, and I went out in the morning to get her some flowers, balloons and a bottle of champaign. It was about 10:30 AM. To my surprise, when I walked up to the cash register with the champaign, I was told that State Law does not allow me to buy alcohol on Sunday before noon. How nice....

And just recently, there was a special news segment in which they had hidden cameras go into a body piercing place and they caught on camera, how no one asked for teenager's age when they wanted to get a body piercing. They made a big deal out of how a 13 year old can get something pierced because she isn't asked to show ID.

That news segment made me very angry. I think it's time for people to wake up!!! Why don't they look at things like this from a different point of view. How did you raise your kids if they want to get body piercings at the age of 13!!!!!!!!!??????? Maybe that's what you should be looking at. But no one says anything about that. The body piercing place doesn't check ID's so it's their fault that 13 year old kids get their nipples pierced. I think it's only the parents fault!!!!

To sum up, I wanted to make one thing clear so that I am not missunderstood. I love America, and all of the Americans that I know are great people. However, people have much less freedom in this country than in Europe for example. If that's the way it is....fine. I can live with that. But maybe it's time to change the stereotype that America is the symbol of freedom.

All this hooha over a human breast being exposed at a football game?
Law suits and broadcasters changing content...

I imagine this will affect photographic content and change posting
rules for sites (like this) . Is the USA really this conservative?

--
http://www.pbase.com/mkelpie

 

[HonestMan]

the same after this traumatic experience. I have to get my 7 year old son a couple of violent video games so he forgets about what he saw during the Super Bowl.....

Luckily I'm not alone. I read that there was 200 thousand complaints sent in to CBS. Do you know what that means? It means that there are alot of idiots out there

Second, once you allow this sort of thing, it becomes "normal" or
acceptable. It's called normalizing deviancy. Just because
someone pushes the envelope doesn't mean that it should always be
pushed. I'm sure you'd just be thrilled to have strangers grabbing
your mother's/wife's/sister's/daughter's clothes and ripping them
open to expose her breast.

There are times and places where this behavior is appropriate.
Private clubs, cable TV, behind bedroom doors, etc. But certainly
not in the middle of family viewing time.

Will it affect television content? Certainly. Photo content and
internet? Nope, not a bit. Heck, how many people searched the
internet for screen captures? A lot of people. And check the
posting rules for this site. You couldn't post a Janet Jackson
breast here, and that was prior to the game.

Anthony

All this hooha over a human breast being exposed at a football game?
Law suits and broadcasters changing content...

I imagine this will affect photographic content and change posting
rules for sites (like this) . Is the USA really this conservative?

--
http://www.pbase.com/mkelpie

 

[Anthony32599]

Well you clearly don't understand what censorship is all about!

You see, I have relatives that grew up in Communist China and believe me, a tape delay by a private company is not censorship. If the government stepped in and prevented you from even knowing certain books existed, from having a computer or radio, or speaking out in public--that's censorship. In this case, a private company realizes that its viewers could be offended and they want to keep those viewers and the money they bring in. That's the free market at work.

With regard to your "examples," you need to get around more. The liquor laws are called "blue laws" and they vary from locality to locality to state to state. In California, you can get alcohol any time. In Georgia, when I was there a few years ago, you couldn't get alcohol on Sunday. It's an example of local areas setting their standards. Don't like it? Move to another local area--nobody is stopping you, unlike a communist society where you have no choice about where you live and have no voice in setting the standard.

I have to laugh about you saying that Europe has more freedom. I'll remember that the next time I think that a child can't wear a cross to school or a head scarf. Yeah, those guys in Europe are really free.

I'll remember that it was Europe that had two bloody wars that got so bad we Americans had to go over and die to fix things up. It was Europe that gave us great freedom fighters like Stalin, Napoleon and Hitler. Some Europeans like freedom so much that they'd rather see Iraqis continue suffering under Saddam than make the sacrifice for the freedom of Iraqi people that we Americans have. And we Americans have the freedom to disagree about it, unlike say, those farmers in France who get firehosed for protesting about prices.

Yeah, I think America still stands for freedom or we wouldn't have everyone trying to walk, swim, run or fly into the U.S.

You're even free to think that a 13-year old is smart enough to make big decisions, even when influenced by the media (getting back to Janet's behavior), and I'm free to think you're wrong. America is great and don't you forget that.

Anthony

I'll give you another example of how freedom in America works. Last
week, on Sunday, was my fiance's birthday, and I went out in the
morning to get her some flowers, balloons and a bottle of
champaign. It was about 10:30 AM. To my surprise, when I walked up
to the cash register with the champaign, I was told that State Law
does not allow me to buy alcohol on Sunday before noon. How nice....

And just recently, there was a special news segment in which they
had hidden cameras go into a body piercing place and they caught on
camera, how no one asked for teenager's age when they wanted to get
a body piercing. They made a big deal out of how a 13 year old can
get something pierced because she isn't asked to show ID.
That news segment made me very angry. I think it's time for people
to wake up!!! Why don't they look at things like this from a
different point of view. How did you raise your kids if they want
to get body piercings at the age of 13!!!!!!!!!??????? Maybe that's
what you should be looking at. But no one says anything about that.
The body piercing place doesn't check ID's so it's their fault that
13 year old kids get their nipples pierced. I think it's only the
parents fault!!!!

To sum up, I wanted to make one thing clear so that I am not
missunderstood. I love America, and all of the Americans that I
know are great people. However, people have much less freedom in
this country than in Europe for example. If that's the way it
is....fine. I can live with that. But maybe it's time to change the
stereotype that America is the symbol of freedom.

All this hooha over a human breast being exposed at a football game?
Law suits and broadcasters changing content...

I imagine this will affect photographic content and change posting
rules for sites (like this) . Is the USA really this conservative?

--
http://www.pbase.com/mkelpie

 

[Anthony32599]

You're missing the point, but I'm not surprised. It's not the concept of a breast that's the problem, but the behavior of exposing yourself or ripping someone's clothes off in public.

Let me know how your son turns out 20 years from now. Hopefully, he won't be a drug addict, a criminal, or a thoughtless loser.

Anthony

Second, once you allow this sort of thing, it becomes "normal" or
acceptable. It's called normalizing deviancy. Just because
someone pushes the envelope doesn't mean that it should always be
pushed. I'm sure you'd just be thrilled to have strangers grabbing
your mother's/wife's/sister's/daughter's clothes and ripping them
open to expose her breast.

There are times and places where this behavior is appropriate.
Private clubs, cable TV, behind bedroom doors, etc. But certainly
not in the middle of family viewing time.

Will it affect television content? Certainly. Photo content and
internet? Nope, not a bit. Heck, how many people searched the
internet for screen captures? A lot of people. And check the
posting rules for this site. You couldn't post a Janet Jackson
breast here, and that was prior to the game.

Anthony

All this hooha over a human breast being exposed at a football game?
Law suits and broadcasters changing content...

I imagine this will affect photographic content and change posting
rules for sites (like this) . Is the USA really this conservative?

--
http://www.pbase.com/mkelpie

 

[kumod]

I have to agree with you Uncle B, I saw it and had to ask did I see what I thought I saw. Big scandal everyone up in arms over it.....Funny how that was the most searched for photo with search engines in history. People saying I'M SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Mad about this but gotta see it.

I'll give you another example of how freedom in America works. Last
week, on Sunday, was my fiance's birthday, and I went out in the
morning to get her some flowers, balloons and a bottle of
champaign. It was about 10:30 AM. To my surprise, when I walked up
to the cash register with the champaign, I was told that State Law
does not allow me to buy alcohol on Sunday before noon. How nice....

And just recently, there was a special news segment in which they
had hidden cameras go into a body piercing place and they caught on
camera, how no one asked for teenager's age when they wanted to get
a body piercing. They made a big deal out of how a 13 year old can
get something pierced because she isn't asked to show ID.
That news segment made me very angry. I think it's time for people
to wake up!!! Why don't they look at things like this from a
different point of view. How did you raise your kids if they want
to get body piercings at the age of 13!!!!!!!!!??????? Maybe that's
what you should be looking at. But no one says anything about that.
The body piercing place doesn't check ID's so it's their fault that
13 year old kids get their nipples pierced. I think it's only the
parents fault!!!!

To sum up, I wanted to make one thing clear so that I am not
missunderstood. I love America, and all of the Americans that I
know are great people. However, people have much less freedom in
this country than in Europe for example. If that's the way it
is....fine. I can live with that. But maybe it's time to change the
stereotype that America is the symbol of freedom.

All this hooha over a human breast being exposed at a football game?
Law suits and broadcasters changing content...

I imagine this will affect photographic content and change posting
rules for sites (like this) . Is the USA really this conservative?

--
http://www.pbase.com/mkelpie

--
Experience is what you get when you didn't get what you were looking for

 

[HonestMan]

America IS great. I said that in my original post and I will say it again. I never denied that.

As for the censorship I can't agree with you. Do you really believe that a 5 minute delay for the Oscar's Ceremony is really just to look out for breasts falling out of dresses. What if somebody, for example, starts critisizing the president, or the war in Iraq. Did you think that CBS might cut that out also just in case "somebody gets offended". That's exactly what censorship is. And of course it's far from censorship in comunism, but it's a good start, and it might be more similar in the future. The basic idea is the same - A live show is delayed so that we can't see everything that goes on.

As far as freedom in Europe is concerned, I'm not talking about the past, so you don't need to mention 2 wars and Stalin. All I can say is that I grew up in a European country where there is no problem for a 16 year old kid (or even younger) to buy cigarettes, alcohol, or get body piercings. Does that mean that every teenager goes out and gets those things? No. And why is that? I don't know....maybe it's a question of culture, values, and how your parents raise you.

But you are right. America is great. In fact it is sad that so many people have to come here in order to live a decent life, because they can't count on one in their home country.

Well you clearly don't understand what censorship is all about!

You see, I have relatives that grew up in Communist China and
believe me, a tape delay by a private company is not censorship.
If the government stepped in and prevented you from even knowing
certain books existed, from having a computer or radio, or speaking
out in public--that's censorship. In this case, a private company
realizes that its viewers could be offended and they want to keep
those viewers and the money they bring in. That's the free market
at work.

With regard to your "examples," you need to get around more. The
liquor laws are called "blue laws" and they vary from locality to
locality to state to state. In California, you can get alcohol any
time. In Georgia, when I was there a few years ago, you couldn't
get alcohol on Sunday. It's an example of local areas setting
their standards. Don't like it? Move to another local
area--nobody is stopping you, unlike a communist society where you
have no choice about where you live and have no voice in setting
the standard.

I have to laugh about you saying that Europe has more freedom.
I'll remember that the next time I think that a child can't wear a
cross to school or a head scarf. Yeah, those guys in Europe are
really free.

I'll remember that it was Europe that had two bloody wars that got
so bad we Americans had to go over and die to fix things up. It
was Europe that gave us great freedom fighters like Stalin,
Napoleon and Hitler. Some Europeans like freedom so much that
they'd rather see Iraqis continue suffering under Saddam than make
the sacrifice for the freedom of Iraqi people that we Americans
have. And we Americans have the freedom to disagree about it,
unlike say, those farmers in France who get firehosed for
protesting about prices.

Yeah, I think America still stands for freedom or we wouldn't have
everyone trying to walk, swim, run or fly into the U.S.

You're even free to think that a 13-year old is smart enough to
make big decisions, even when influenced by the media (getting back
to Janet's behavior), and I'm free to think you're wrong. America
is great and don't you forget that.

Anthony

 

[Ted B.47613]

Why won't Al Gore surf the web?

Because, every time he wants to go somewhere, he has to type W W W!

:^)

All this hooha over a human breast being exposed at a football game?
Law suits and broadcasters changing content...

I imagine this will affect photographic content and change posting
rules for sites (like this) . Is the USA really this conservative?

--
http://www.pbase.com/mkelpie

--
Good photography comes with experience. Experience comes from bad photography.

TJB



My Website: http://svphoto.us

 

[HonestMan]

What would happen if Janet's breast wasn't shown? Nothing!!! Would anybody care that the whole half time show was totally inapropriate? Would anybody care that Justin was humping Janet during the song? No! No one would care, and no one would make a big deal about it. But a breast was shown for 3 seconds. And apparently those 3 seconds were much worse than the rest of the show....

As for my son, that other remark I made was pure irony. I don't have a son, as I am only 23 years old. However I was raised in Europe, where teenagers have no problems buying alcohol and tobacco when they are 16 or even younger. Naked breasts are shows in advertisements on bus stops. And no, I'm not a drug addict. Actually, I'm far from it.

Let me know how your son turns out 20 years from now. Hopefully,
he won't be a drug addict, a criminal, or a thoughtless loser.

Anthony

Second, once you allow this sort of thing, it becomes "normal" or
acceptable. It's called normalizing deviancy. Just because
someone pushes the envelope doesn't mean that it should always be
pushed. I'm sure you'd just be thrilled to have strangers grabbing
your mother's/wife's/sister's/daughter's clothes and ripping them
open to expose her breast.

There are times and places where this behavior is appropriate.
Private clubs, cable TV, behind bedroom doors, etc. But certainly
not in the middle of family viewing time.

Will it affect television content? Certainly. Photo content and
internet? Nope, not a bit. Heck, how many people searched the
internet for screen captures? A lot of people. And check the
posting rules for this site. You couldn't post a Janet Jackson
breast here, and that was prior to the game.

Anthony

All this hooha over a human breast being exposed at a football game?
Law suits and broadcasters changing content...

I imagine this will affect photographic content and change posting
rules for sites (like this) . Is the USA really this conservative?

--
http://www.pbase.com/mkelpie

 

[Anthony32599]

I think the show was definitely inappropriate in its entirety, and it's a shame that it took something that outrageous to make it apparent to CBS.

Anthony

As for my son, that other remark I made was pure irony. I don't
have a son, as I am only 23 years old. However I was raised in
Europe, where teenagers have no problems buying alcohol and tobacco
when they are 16 or even younger. Naked breasts are shows in
advertisements on bus stops. And no, I'm not a drug addict.
Actually, I'm far from it.

Let me know how your son turns out 20 years from now. Hopefully,
he won't be a drug addict, a criminal, or a thoughtless loser.

Anthony

Second, once you allow this sort of thing, it becomes "normal" or
acceptable. It's called normalizing deviancy. Just because
someone pushes the envelope doesn't mean that it should always be
pushed. I'm sure you'd just be thrilled to have strangers grabbing
your mother's/wife's/sister's/daughter's clothes and ripping them
open to expose her breast.

There are times and places where this behavior is appropriate.
Private clubs, cable TV, behind bedroom doors, etc. But certainly
not in the middle of family viewing time.

Will it affect television content? Certainly. Photo content and
internet? Nope, not a bit. Heck, how many people searched the
internet for screen captures? A lot of people. And check the
posting rules for this site. You couldn't post a Janet Jackson
breast here, and that was prior to the game.

Anthony

All this hooha over a human breast being exposed at a football game?
Law suits and broadcasters changing content...

I imagine this will affect photographic content and change posting
rules for sites (like this) . Is the USA really this conservative?

--
http://www.pbase.com/mkelpie

 

[KenEis]

The superbowl halftime was a lot more then a sensorship issue for the good old USA. I was sitting watching the game with a bunch of other 50+ year olds and about 2 minutes into the halftime show we started discussiong what the hell we were watching. We all saw the Jackson flesh incident at the end but by that time we were numb. I think the social and business dynamics of this are very interesting.

1. This is the first main event were the MTV mentality has come on to prime time broadcast TV. This was a business decision by CBS to attract a younger (male/female teen/20-something) audience.

2. They actually may have succeeded but in the process they probably lost all the 40 50 and 60 somethings. We found the "entertainment" boring and stupid (I've referring to a generation gap issue and clearly not making any statement about the absolute worth of the entertainment."

3. Since most adults and parents never expose themselves (pun intended) to MTV this may just be a lose for MTV. Now parents have had their noses rubbed in it and might just elect to elliminate it from coming into their homes over the protests of the teen children.

4. If I had been sitting with a child watching the half time I would have felt ambushed by the ludness of the event. I would have had this fealing long before the breast incident. My 83 year old mother was watching the program with captioning on. She was actually able to read the words of the songs which fortold the bodis ripping incident. The bumping and grinding were quite appropriate for a rock concert or Los Vages...but prime time TV?

5. Assuming there had been no costum malfunction, the intent was the same, an act with a man ripping the cloths off a woman. Real nice.

I'm no prude and understand that younger generations have different entertainment values but this, more then prompting a bunch of inain politicians to talk about sensorship just maybe cost the network and the NFL some real dollars. The show was an embarrassment.

So I hope the hupla wasn't just over a breast being exposed. It was much worse then that.

All this hooha over a human breast being exposed at a football game?
Law suits and broadcasters changing content...

I imagine this will affect photographic content and change posting
rules for sites (like this) . Is the USA really this conservative?

--
http://www.pbase.com/mkelpie

--

Ken Eis - D100 and S45 Nikon 18-35, 28-105, 24-120VR, 70-300, 80-400VR, 500mm and 60mm macro

 

[Theresa K]

(APPLAUSE!)

--
Theresa
The Digital Junkie! (w/an Oly C-5060)

 

[Anthony32599]

In America, private individuals and companies can certainly censor. Thus, a private company can block adult web sites, and CBS can certainly do what it wants to make money, whether that's a 5 minute delay or cancelling a show with low ratings.

Censorship by the government is the issue. When the government says you can't see something, it means you can't see it anywhere .

To use your student example: In Fremont, California, children in high school wear head scarves and have crucifixes around their necks. The government debated a few years ago about the carrying of kirpas by Sikhs (ceremonial knives), and I think they allowed even that.

Compare that to France, where recently the government banned religious symbols from schools. In effect, it's okay to learn about religious beliefs, but it's not okay to have them or even show that you have them.

You have options when it comes to private companies--i.e. you can watch HBO or Cinemax if you want to have breasts. But you really don't have too many options when it comes to government imposed censorship.

Anthony

As for the censorship I can't agree with you. Do you really believe
that a 5 minute delay for the Oscar's Ceremony is really just to
look out for breasts falling out of dresses. What if somebody, for
example, starts critisizing the president, or the war in Iraq. Did
you think that CBS might cut that out also just in case "somebody
gets offended". That's exactly what censorship is. And of course
it's far from censorship in comunism, but it's a good start, and it
might be more similar in the future. The basic idea is the same - A
live show is delayed so that we can't see everything that goes on.

As far as freedom in Europe is concerned, I'm not talking about the
past, so you don't need to mention 2 wars and Stalin. All I can say
is that I grew up in a European country where there is no problem
for a 16 year old kid (or even younger) to buy cigarettes, alcohol,
or get body piercings. Does that mean that every teenager goes out
and gets those things? No. And why is that? I don't know....maybe
it's a question of culture, values, and how your parents raise you.

But you are right. America is great. In fact it is sad that so many
people have to come here in order to live a decent life, because
they can't count on one in their home country.

Well you clearly don't understand what censorship is all about!

You see, I have relatives that grew up in Communist China and
believe me, a tape delay by a private company is not censorship.
If the government stepped in and prevented you from even knowing
certain books existed, from having a computer or radio, or speaking
out in public--that's censorship. In this case, a private company
realizes that its viewers could be offended and they want to keep
those viewers and the money they bring in. That's the free market
at work.

With regard to your "examples," you need to get around more. The
liquor laws are called "blue laws" and they vary from locality to
locality to state to state. In California, you can get alcohol any
time. In Georgia, when I was there a few years ago, you couldn't
get alcohol on Sunday. It's an example of local areas setting
their standards. Don't like it? Move to another local
area--nobody is stopping you, unlike a communist society where you
have no choice about where you live and have no voice in setting
the standard.

I have to laugh about you saying that Europe has more freedom.
I'll remember that the next time I think that a child can't wear a
cross to school or a head scarf. Yeah, those guys in Europe are
really free.

I'll remember that it was Europe that had two bloody wars that got
so bad we Americans had to go over and die to fix things up. It
was Europe that gave us great freedom fighters like Stalin,
Napoleon and Hitler. Some Europeans like freedom so much that
they'd rather see Iraqis continue suffering under Saddam than make
the sacrifice for the freedom of Iraqi people that we Americans
have. And we Americans have the freedom to disagree about it,
unlike say, those farmers in France who get firehosed for
protesting about prices.

Yeah, I think America still stands for freedom or we wouldn't have
everyone trying to walk, swim, run or fly into the U.S.

You're even free to think that a 13-year old is smart enough to
make big decisions, even when influenced by the media (getting back
to Janet's behavior), and I'm free to think you're wrong. America
is great and don't you forget that.

Anthony

 

[ulysis]

Might be so. But what if the next pop star on a live show thinks that the only way they can "one-up" the Janet Breast scandal is to have sex on stage? That's where the delay comes handy.

But I do agree with you on the "what if someone criticizes Bush". This is something that can be used for good but also sensorship (cutting out what the network deems inappropriate politically). There has to be standards to what they can omit in the 5 min delay broadcast and what they can't.

Justlike all the laws and rules there are always people are companies who will abuse it.

My problem with the "nipple-Gate" is that it stole the glory from the rightful who deserved it. The two-teams. It was a fabulous game and it's sad to see that 5/10 years from now no one will remember the game but they will remember the "Nipple-Gate".

Ms Janet used the show where she was supposed to be an attraction, not the show itself and should recieve her share of punishment for that. There might not be a law to punish but my own action to that is I'll not buy her album's anymore. It might sound judgmental and prudish but "there is a time and place for everything" and NFL half-time show is not for breast bearing.If I wanted to see that I would subscribe for the playboy channel on my terms. Not their.

I'll give you another example of how freedom in America works. Last
week, on Sunday, was my fiance's birthday, and I went out in the
morning to get her some flowers, balloons and a bottle of
champaign. It was about 10:30 AM. To my surprise, when I walked up
to the cash register with the champaign, I was told that State Law
does not allow me to buy alcohol on Sunday before noon. How nice....

And just recently, there was a special news segment in which they
had hidden cameras go into a body piercing place and they caught on
camera, how no one asked for teenager's age when they wanted to get
a body piercing. They made a big deal out of how a 13 year old can
get something pierced because she isn't asked to show ID.
That news segment made me very angry. I think it's time for people
to wake up!!! Why don't they look at things like this from a
different point of view. How did you raise your kids if they want
to get body piercings at the age of 13!!!!!!!!!??????? Maybe that's
what you should be looking at. But no one says anything about that.
The body piercing place doesn't check ID's so it's their fault that
13 year old kids get their nipples pierced. I think it's only the
parents fault!!!!

To sum up, I wanted to make one thing clear so that I am not
missunderstood. I love America, and all of the Americans that I
know are great people. However, people have much less freedom in
this country than in Europe for example. If that's the way it
is....fine. I can live with that. But maybe it's time to change the
stereotype that America is the symbol of freedom.

All this hooha over a human breast being exposed at a football game?
Law suits and broadcasters changing content...

I imagine this will affect photographic content and change posting
rules for sites (like this) . Is the USA really this conservative?

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Only when you loose everything you are free to do anything.

 

[Anthony32599]

I'm no prude and understand that younger generations have different
entertainment values but this, more then prompting a bunch of inain
politicians to talk about sensorship just maybe cost the network
and the NFL some real dollars. The show was an embarrassment.

So I hope the hupla wasn't just over a breast being exposed. It was
much worse then that.

All this hooha over a human breast being exposed at a football game?
Law suits and broadcasters changing content...

I imagine this will affect photographic content and change posting
rules for sites (like this) . Is the USA really this conservative?

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http://www.pbase.com/mkelpie

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80-400VR, 500mm and 60mm macro