I would bet on a new 12 mm prime.

[Muster Mark]

Here’s my reasoning:

• The existing 12mm f2.0 prime is actually not fully compatible with the om-5, I was surprised to learn. I would have picked one up with my om-5 otherwise given the fire sale price they are going for. The incompatibility is with the clutch. The focus clutch doesn’t actually engage MF assists, so you get no peaking or magnification which makes the whole thing kind of useless on a 12 mm lens (at least to me).
• This indicates to me they are not going to do a rebranding but a whole new lens or there would have been a firmware update for it.
• I would guess similar dimensions and price to the 20mm 1.4 based off of nothing in particular. Hopefully f1.4 still but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 1.8 instead.

just my complete guess.

 

[simpy]

• The existing 12mm f2.0 prime is actually not fully compatible with the om-5, I was surprised to learn. I would have picked one up with my om-5 otherwise given the fire sale price they are going for. The incompatibility is with the clutch. The focus clutch doesn’t actually engage MF assists, so you get no peaking or magnification

I don't have my camera on me at the moment, but I think that's normal for all cameras, and the 17mm is the same. (But I might be mistaken..)

My money is on the release of a 14mm f/1.4 PRO. That way, we'll get 3 prime lines. The f/1.2 line has 17, 25, 45mm, as does the f/1.7-2 line, which also has a 12mm.

The f/1.4 line (now only 20mm) can fill the gaps: 20mm, 14mm, perhaps a 10mm and 35mm?

 

[DaveLBlack]

• The existing 12mm f2.0 prime is actually not fully compatible with the om-5, I was surprised to learn. I would have picked one up with my om-5 otherwise given the fire sale price they are going for. The incompatibility is with the clutch. The focus clutch doesn’t actually engage MF assists, so you get no peaking or magnification

I don't have my camera on me at the moment, but I think that's normal for all cameras, and the 17mm is the same. (But I might be mistaken..)

My money is on the release of a 14mm f/1.4 PRO. That way, we'll get 3 prime lines. The f/1.2 line has 17, 25, 45mm, as does the f/1.7-2 line, which also has a 12mm.

The f/1.4 line (now only 20mm) can fill the gaps: 20mm, 14mm, perhaps a 10mm and 35mm?

Sigma as patented a line of F1.4 MFT lenses. The lenses are 10mm, 14mm, 20mm, 30mm and 40mm. Olympus used the 20mm. My guess it will be one of the other Sigma patented MFT lenses.

 

[simpy]

• The existing 12mm f2.0 prime is actually not fully compatible with the om-5, I was surprised to learn. I would have picked one up with my om-5 otherwise given the fire sale price they are going for. The incompatibility is with the clutch. The focus clutch doesn’t actually engage MF assists, so you get no peaking or magnification

I don't have my camera on me at the moment, but I think that's normal for all cameras, and the 17mm is the same. (But I might be mistaken..)

My money is on the release of a 14mm f/1.4 PRO. That way, we'll get 3 prime lines. The f/1.2 line has 17, 25, 45mm, as does the f/1.7-2 line, which also has a 12mm.

The f/1.4 line (now only 20mm) can fill the gaps: 20mm, 14mm, perhaps a 10mm and 35mm?

Sigma as patented a line of F1.4 MFT lenses. The lenses are 10mm, 14mm, 20mm, 30mm and 40mm. Olympus used the 20mm. My guess it will be one of the other Sigma patented MFT lenses.

Ah yes, I remember you(?) posting this some time ago. I hope they get the fringing a bit better under control (than for the 20mm) and there may well be a 14mm in my future.

 

[Allan Brown]

Why not something different rather than duplicating an already existing lens - the Panasonic 12mm f1.4?

 

[Sam Bennett]

Here’s my reasoning:

• The existing 12mm f2.0 prime is actually not fully compatible with the om-5, I was surprised to learn. I would have picked one up with my om-5 otherwise given the fire sale price they are going for. The incompatibility is with the clutch. The focus clutch doesn’t actually engage MF assists, so you get no peaking or magnification which makes the whole thing kind of useless on a 12 mm lens (at least to me).
• This indicates to me they are not going to do a rebranding but a whole new lens or there would have been a firmware update for it.
• I would guess similar dimensions and price to the 20mm 1.4 based off of nothing in particular. Hopefully f1.4 still but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 1.8 instead.

just my complete guess.

I think a 17/1.4 or 14/1.4 would make sense if they're going after the X100 market, where the standard lens is a 35mm equivalent. 14/1.4 would at least make Chris Niccolls happy!

 

[Regor250]

Actually a recfilinear 10mm f1.8 would a nice offering and more useful.

 

[Regor250]

Here’s my reasoning:

• The existing 12mm f2.0 prime is actually not fully compatible with the om-5, I was surprised to learn. I would have picked one up with my om-5 otherwise given the fire sale price they are going for. The incompatibility is with the clutch. The focus clutch doesn’t actually engage MF assists, so you get no peaking or magnification which makes the whole thing kind of useless on a 12 mm lens (at least to me).
• This indicates to me they are not going to do a rebranding but a whole new lens or there would have been a firmware update for it.
• I would guess similar dimensions and price to the 20mm 1.4 based off of nothing in particular. Hopefully f1.4 still but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s 1.8 instead.

just my complete guess.

I think a 17/1.4 or 14/1.4 would make sense if they're going after the X100 market, where the standard lens is a 35mm equivalent. 14/1.4 would at least make Chris Niccolls happy!

Yes, Chris Niccolls dislikes the 17mm FL.

 

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[Muster Mark]

• The existing 12mm f2.0 prime is actually not fully compatible with the om-5, I was surprised to learn. I would have picked one up with my om-5 otherwise given the fire sale price they are going for. The incompatibility is with the clutch. The focus clutch doesn’t actually engage MF assists, so you get no peaking or magnification

I don't have my camera on me at the moment, but I think that's normal for all cameras, and the 17mm is the same. (But I might be mistaken..)

My money is on the release of a 14mm f/1.4 PRO. That way, we'll get 3 prime lines. The f/1.2 line has 17, 25, 45mm, as does the f/1.7-2 line, which also has a 12mm.

The f/1.4 line (now only 20mm) can fill the gaps: 20mm, 14mm, perhaps a 10mm and 35mm?

Sigma as patented a line of F1.4 MFT lenses. The lenses are 10mm, 14mm, 20mm, 30mm and 40mm. Olympus used the 20mm. My guess it will be one of the other Sigma patented MFT lenses.

Just curious: do we know the 20mm is the sigma design or is it assumed to be such since it matched focal length and aperture specs?

 

[Skeeterbytes]

You can still use S-AF+MF/C-AF+MF and the focus dial will engage the focus aids.

Snap MF I believe will still deliver pre-focus distance when engaged.

My quibble with the 12 is it seems to MF in steps and not continuously, like in AF. It was one of my first lenses and not until the 12-40 did they fully sort out the MF clutch function.

Reason to own the 12 in 2025 is the unique color, contrast, rendering. With so very many zooms covering 12mm that and size are what sets it apart. On release, the standard system zooms began at 14mm.

Cheers,

Rick

 

[Muster Mark]

These are good points. I didn’t really see the utility of the snap MF without the focus aid, but I guess it does give you a preset focal distance. Is it true that on other lenses when you switch to MF with the clutch you don’t get the Mf aides like peaking or magnification, and only get those aides when manually focusing without the clutch?



The rep at the store said that it was something unique to the 12mm not being supported by the OM-5 so I assumed the same lens on other cameras (and other cameras with the 12 mm) would behave differently.

 

[Skeeterbytes]

Am not at home for experimenting, but have OM-1s and E-M1iii for testing. OM-5 is most closely related to the M1iii.

Primarily shoot the 12 on a GM5 and Pen F, much older cameras, and can't recall if it's exactly the same on the newest models.

Rick

 

[cc99]

Just curious: do we know the 20mm is the sigma design or is it assumed to be such since it matched focal length and aperture specs?

Sigma patent






OM System lens

 

[Tom Caldwell]

There already is the much larger, more expensive, Leica DG Summilux 12/1.4 ASPH lens built and sold as a Lumix made in Japan if the compact Olympus 12/2.0 is in any way lacking. I have had the Olympus 12/2.0 Limited Edition since my first days with M4/3 and have had no issues with this lens over the years. The focus clutch works fine on Panasonic bodies.

So if pedigree is going to be the issue then any OMS lens will have to match that of Leica expertise. It will, of necessity, very likely be a large lens which might reduce somewhat the sweetness of the compact 12/2.0 lens. .... and of course there is obviously more to a premium lens than just what one stop of aperture might indicate.

No focus clutch to bother with - just a slide switch AF/MF which does much the same job without the slickness of the focus clutch.

--
Tom Caldwell

 

[Tom Caldwell]

Why not something different rather than duplicating an already existing lens - the Panasonic 12mm f1.4?

Was perhaps code for wishing for a top range affordable lens faster and cheaper than the 12/2.0? I quite like my sweet little compact 12/2.0 lens as it is.

 

[Bassam Guy]

Here’s my reasoning:

• The existing 12mm f2.0 prime is actually not fully compatible with the om-5, I was surprised to learn. I would have picked one up with my om-5 otherwise given the fire sale price they are going for. The incompatibility is with the clutch. The focus clutch doesn’t actually engage MF assists, so you get no peaking or magnification which makes the whole thing kind of useless on a 12 mm lens (at least to me).

I don't have this problem on my E-M1 III or ER-M5 III.

I remember having this problem with earlier models. It does not apply to PRO lenses with the MF Clutch, only non-PROs like the 17mm f1.8 (any others?). Speculation was that it was intentionally done by Olympus. You can find other ancient threads on this topic in this forum.

Workaround is to assign peaking/magnify to a button (or Muti-Function with peaking/magnification enabled).

 

[Muster Mark]

Here’s my reasoning:

• The existing 12mm f2.0 prime is actually not fully compatible with the om-5, I was surprised to learn. I would have picked one up with my om-5 otherwise given the fire sale price they are going for. The incompatibility is with the clutch. The focus clutch doesn’t actually engage MF assists, so you get no peaking or magnification which makes the whole thing kind of useless on a 12 mm lens (at least to me).

I don't have this problem on my E-M1 III or ER-M5 III.

I remember having this problem with earlier models. It does not apply to PRO lenses with the MF Clutch, only non-PROs like the 17mm f1.8 (any others?). Speculation was that it was intentionally done by Olympus. You can find other ancient threads on this topic in this forum.

Workaround is to assign peaking/magnify to a button (or Muti-Function with peaking/magnification enabled).

That’s both interesting and confusing to me. I had thought this was an incompatibility with the OM cameras, but I guess that’s not the case. What’s confusing is why Olympus ever thought this made sense. If I put the camera into MF using menus or buttons I get the assists. But if I do so with the clutch I need to then use a button. I can’t imagine being able to manually focus a wide angle accurately using just the EVF, so engaging the clutch then requires another button press. Weird. Anyway thanks for the info.

 

[Bassam Guy]

Here’s my reasoning:

• The existing 12mm f2.0 prime is actually not fully compatible with the om-5, I was surprised to learn. I would have picked one up with my om-5 otherwise given the fire sale price they are going for. The incompatibility is with the clutch. The focus clutch doesn’t actually engage MF assists, so you get no peaking or magnification which makes the whole thing kind of useless on a 12 mm lens (at least to me).

I don't have this problem on my E-M1 III or ER-M5 III.

I remember having this problem with earlier models. It does not apply to PRO lenses with the MF Clutch, only non-PROs like the 17mm f1.8 (any others?). Speculation was that it was intentionally done by Olympus. You can find other ancient threads on this topic in this forum.

Workaround is to assign peaking/magnify to a button (or Muti-Function with peaking/magnification enabled).

That’s both interesting and confusing to me. I had thought this was an incompatibility with the OM cameras, but I guess that’s not the case. What’s confusing is why Olympus ever thought this made sense.

Maybe it was accidental. Maybe not. I've endured worse ordeals but, from at least my perspective, it is far in the past.

If I put the camera into MF using menus or buttons I get the assists. But if I do so with the clutch I need to then use a button. I can’t imagine being able to manually focus a wide angle accurately using just the EVF, so engaging the clutch then requires another button press. Weird. Anyway thanks for the info.

 

[Skeeterbytes]

Am not at home for experimenting, but have OM-1s and E-M1iii for testing. OM-5 is most closely related to the M1iii.

Primarily shoot the 12 on a GM5 and Pen F, much older cameras, and can't recall if it's exactly the same on the newest models.

Rick

Can confirm +MF does engage both magnification and peaking, While snap MF does function as normal, the focus aids do not deploy. Pre-focus works the same as on other cameras.

Cheers,

Rick