X2D macro work..alternatives to 120mm?

[JohnnyGregg]

Anyone recommend any other option from the XCD 120mm for macro work?

 

[JimKasson]

Anyone recommend any other option from the XCD 120mm for macro work?

Rodenstock 105 mm f/5.6 HR Digaron Macro -- $$$

CV 125/2.5 -- $$

Pentax 645 120 macro -- $

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https://blog.kasson.com

 

[SrMi]

Anyone recommend any other option from the XCD 120mm for macro work?

If you need the camera's focus bracketing, that is probably the only one. Maybe the HC 120 macro lens would work.

 

[Bags27]

Not an HB V 120 macro? that should work right?

 

[TechTalk2]

Anyone recommend any other option from the XCD 120mm for macro work?

What difference or differences from the XCD 120 mm Macro are you looking for in an alternative lens?

 

[JohnnyGregg]

Anyone recommend any other option from the XCD 120mm for macro work?

What difference or differences from the XCD 120 mm Macro are you looking for in an alternative lens?

I’m just wondering if anyone has found a different combo. that either:

provides 1:1

is lighter

resolves better image with the 100 Mp sensor

 

[JimKasson]

Anyone recommend any other option from the XCD 120mm for macro work?

What difference or differences from the XCD 120 mm Macro are you looking for in an alternative lens?

I’m just wondering if anyone has found a different combo. that either:

provides 1:1

All of the lenses I mentioned above.

is lighter

The CV 125.

resolves better image with the 100 Mp sensor

The Rodie, for sure.

 

[Bags27]

I used to have, before I stupidly sold, a Mamiya 645 120 f/4 macro (the original manual focus) that was fantastically sharp at f/8 and 1:1.I don't know if there's an adopter that would directly mount it but likely a combo of 2 adaptors.

 

[CrispyBee]

I used to have, before I stupidly sold, a Mamiya 645 120 f/4 macro (the original manual focus) that was fantastically sharp at f/8 and 1:1.I don't know if there's an adopter that would directly mount it but likely a combo of 2 adaptors.

I used to have that lens too, the manual focus version with the auto-aperture on a "full frame medium format" 60MP PhaseOne sensor. It's certainly a beautiful lens but it's just not "that" good on a high res sensor at 1x.

Also: And f8 at 1x results in an effective f16. That's almost good enough for a 50MP X1D sensor but would be a waste on a 100MP sensor.

 

[areallygrumpyoldsod]

Anyone recommend any other option from the XCD 120mm for macro work?

You can add extension rings (sometimes called macro rings) to all XCD lenses that enable you to reduce the minimum focussing distance etc... See https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4633705

I use H lenses as well with adapters, Converters, Macro Converter and tubes.

 

[Pd printer]

if one wants automatic focus bracketing only the 120mm xcd works by adding close up lenses. Using electronic shutter a lot should work. The CV125 looks interesting. I was reading it has issues with digital sensors but Jims testing shows it does not.

 

[Bags27]

no it does not, I asked Hasselblad

I posted 2x. Which one doesn't HB believes work?

I can't believe the V macro doesn't work. Maybe it doesn't resolve sufficiently for you, but all V lenses should work on the X mount with an adaptor, right?

 

[Pd printer]

no it does not, I asked Hasselblad

I posted 2x. Which one doesn't HB believes work?

I can't believe the V macro doesn't work. Maybe it doesn't resolve sufficiently for you, but all V lenses should work on the X mount with an adaptor, right?

It does, I was thinking of focus bracketing but that's why I changed my answer

this one does 1x https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4720702

but I wonder about image quality but with 200mm it has a very good working distance!

 

[bokesan]

Anyone recommend any other option from the XCD 120mm for macro work?

You can add extension rings (sometimes called macro rings) to all XCD lenses that enable you to reduce the minimum focussing distance etc... See https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4633705

Quoting myself from that post: “The lens does not work well with extension.”
It’s really not a good option for 1:1. At the magnifications it is designed for, it is a very good lens. 100MP should pose no challenge.

- Chris

 

[TechTalk2]

Anyone recommend any other option from the XCD 120mm for macro work?

What difference or differences from the XCD 120 mm Macro are you looking for in an alternative lens?

I’m just wondering if anyone has found a different combo. that either:

provides 1:1

Since adding extension to the XCD 120 mm will provide 1:1, I'm guessing you're looking for a lens that provides continuous focusing to 1:1.

You haven't given an indication of any other magnification ranges over which you may use the lens other than 1:1. It's currently unclear whether you may be looking for a more specialized lens optimized over a very narrow range of magnifications centered around 1:1 or a lens which provides excellent 1:1 reproduction, but which would also be suitable for more general lower magnification uses.

is lighter

Every lens and every lens choice is a compromise. Only you know in what order your priorities are arranged, but searching for increased magnification or resolution is likely to lead in the direction of heavier lenses and system combinations rather than lighter ones.

resolves better image with the 100 Mp sensor

A lens which projects a higher resolution image onto the sensor will improve your captured image resolution regardless of how many pixel elements the sensor contains, just as increasing sensor resolution will improve captured image resolution with any reasonably good lens.

Whether a lens has been designed to include the sensor filter stack cover glass assembly may make a difference in the lens + sensor combined output resolution.

Not knowing what you want to shoot, how you want to shoot it, or any other details regarding your needs and preferences makes it difficult to provide suggestions. So you're likely to have lenses recommended which are very different in function, features, and the magnification ranges for which they have been optimized.

 

[TechTalk2]

Based on the limited information provided, a lens which may be worth considering is the Hasselblad HC Macro 4/120-II. Depending on your needs and priorities, it may be the best choice.

For use with an X2D, later production of the model II lens with firmware version 18.0 or higher (made from around 2013 onward) would be recommended for maximum feature compatibility. If you want a shutter capable of 1/2000 second, then an updated “orange dot” lens (introduced in 2016) will have the faster shutter.

The HC Macro 120mm II is a redesigned model with improved lens performance. Image quality for both macro at 1:1 and general use is extremely good. The lens data sheet with MTF charts can be downloaded from the link above or found in the Hasselblad lens brochure. You may be able to rent and test the lens for yourself.

When announced in 2010, the version II lens release notes indicated axial chromatic aberration was substantially reduced and that the new lens showed clearly increased resolution compared to the original version. Unlike the original model, version II was designed for optimum image quality using a digital sensor with filter stack. Where a 120 mm focal length is desired, it’s an outstanding lens throughout its entire focusing range from infinity to 1:1.

An indication of the exceptional image quality from this lens at 1:1 is its selection by the Rijksmuseum scientific research team for creating a 717 gigapixel ultra high-resolution image as part of Operation Night Watch. This was an intensive multi-year project to analyze and conserve the massive Rembrandt masterpiece which included producing a layered image using visual and scientific imaging methods for study of the painting’s structure.

Senior Scientist Robert Erdmann produced a video explaining the elaborate imaging process and custom engineered hardware and software used in combination with a Hasselblad H6D-400c MS (in 100 megapixel 4-shot mode) and HC Macro 120mm II to produce the 717 gigapixel 5.6TB final image.

In addition to superb image quality, the HC Macro 120mm II using the latest 19.1.0 firmware and XH Lens Adapter would provide convenient operation on the X2D with most functions operating in the same manner as native XCD lenses. It’s also a versatile choice. The 120 mm focal length can be reduced and maximum aperture increased on an X System camera using the XH Converter 0,8 to produce a 95 mm f/3.2 combination.

The focal length can also be increased using the Converter H 1.7x. The Extension Tubes H can be used between lens and adapter to increase magnification. Naturally, it can also be used with H System cameras like the unique and impressive H6D-400c MS.

 

[JohnnyGregg]

Thank you so much for your detailed response and research. An alternative source mentioned the HC 120mm as an option, so it’s good to get more insight from your reply. There are a number of used HC 120 around, which may help the budget stretch!
I use my setup mainly on copy stand or tripod in the studio for shots of el3ctrnic components, Also various substances to create fine art prints

 

[TechTalk2]

Thank you so much for your detailed response and research. An alternative source mentioned the HC 120mm as an option, so it’s good to get more insight from your reply. There are a number of used HC 120 around, which may help the budget stretch!
I use my setup mainly on copy stand or tripod in the studio for shots of el3ctrnic components, Also various substances to create fine art prints

I used the original HC Macro 120 mm and replaced it with the version II model soon after it was released. I've used them primarily for art repro and product shooting.

The version II is noticeably better, so that's what I would suggest. A later model with the newer 1/2000 shutter would be nice, but one made in the last decade with firmware version 18.0 or higher would be my top priority along with condition.

I hope you find satisfaction and success with whatever you choose to use.