Lack of L-mount Activity on Forums?

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I've only had my S5 for a month or so, but I'm noticing a definite lack of activity across the internet photo forums for L-Mount. This thread here is pretty quiet compared to the other gear forums, Cameraderie have decided to wrap L-mount in with other Leica mounts (LTM, M etc) and, despite there being a number of dedicated L-mount fora, they all seem to be pretty dead.

I'm trying to figure whether this means that L-mount really is still a very minority sport, or whether the owners are just too busy taking photos/videos to care!
 
I've only had my S5 for a month or so, but I'm noticing a definite lack of activity across the internet photo forums for L-Mount. This thread here is pretty quiet compared to the other gear forums,
L-mount is a small corner of the FF camera world compared with other brands/mounts.

That said, I think this forum is great! The members here are knowledgeable and helpful, the posts are interesting, and the volume of posts is easy to keep up with.

Compare this with the MFT forum where the volume of posts every day is quite high but most of it is puerile. It's like wading through treacle trying to find anything useful. Great place to go if you want to argue for the sake of it.
I'm trying to figure whether this means that L-mount really is still a very minority sport, or whether the owners are just too busy taking photos/videos to care!
I don't know but think it's more likely to be a minority segment.
 
I find that dpreview has been ruined by some pathetic moderators who ruined some of the forums. Also, some clique's have developed that praise crappy, substandard work and totally ignore great work.

Then you have *The Collectors* who concentrate strictly on gear- the best of the best - and then post cat or strictly blah nightscapes.

Put that together and this is what you have…
 
I find that dpreview has been ruined by some pathetic moderators who ruined some of the forums. Also, some clique's have developed that praise crappy, substandard work and totally ignore great work.
1) DPR is a GEAR site. It is not, and never has been, a site to use for deep discussions and critiques of fine art photography. There are other sites out there that fill that niche by design, and if that's what you are looking for, those are where you should post your photos.

2) Just because YOU think work is substandard, and YOU think work is "great", does not necessarily mean it is. AND, being unpleasantly nasty to folks who post "substandard" (in your opinion) work is not a good thing for anyone in the long run. A little niceness and helping hands are a whole lot more helpful for a lot of folks who are learning the ropes than a sneer and a snide comment about how terrible their images are.
Then you have *The Collectors* who concentrate strictly on gear- the best of the best - and then post cat or strictly blah nightscapes.
THIS IS A GEAR WEBSITE!!! NEVER HAS BEEN ANYTHING ELSE!

The fact that a whole bunch of people in many of the forums have developed relationships with each other that allow them to be comfortable posting what they shoot is a GOOD thing, and a BONUS, not a drawback!
Put that together and this is what you have…
If it's so awful, why are you bothering to post here?

-J
 
I've only had my S5 for a month or so, but I'm noticing a definite lack of activity across the internet photo forums for L-Mount. This thread here is pretty quiet compared to the other gear forums, Cameraderie have decided to wrap L-mount in with other Leica mounts (LTM, M etc) and, despite there being a number of dedicated L-mount fora, they all seem to be pretty dead.

I'm trying to figure whether this means that L-mount really is still a very minority sport, or whether the owners are just too busy taking photos/videos to care!
It's a new format by not one of the big three. It has great cameras and lenses, but it also has (in the eyes of a number of reviewers and users) some things that make it less than competitive in some ways (no PDAF).

SO, there are going to be fewer users because it is a new product line from other than the big 3, AND it also has some growing pains to overcome.

Give it time.

Personally, I am very happy with the S5. Its output is absolutely stellar. I hope Panasonic gets the AF thing sorted and hits it out of the park with the next round of bodies, and with time, that should bring more folks around to the forum.

-J
 
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I've only had my S5 for a month or so, but I'm noticing a definite lack of activity across the internet photo forums for L-Mount. This thread here is pretty quiet compared to the other gear forums, Cameraderie have decided to wrap L-mount in with other Leica mounts (LTM, M etc) and, despite there being a number of dedicated L-mount fora, they all seem to be pretty dead.

I'm trying to figure whether this means that L-mount really is still a very minority sport, or whether the owners are just too busy taking photos/videos to care!
Paul, would you (or anyone else for that matter) recommend any other L-mount forum?



That said this one has been a mine of information, with many thoughtful, insightful and helpful replies.
 
I've only had my S5 for a month or so, but I'm noticing a definite lack of activity across the internet photo forums for L-Mount. This thread here is pretty quiet compared to the other gear forums, Cameraderie have decided to wrap L-mount in with other Leica mounts (LTM, M etc) and, despite there being a number of dedicated L-mount fora, they all seem to be pretty dead.

I'm trying to figure whether this means that L-mount really is still a very minority sport, or whether the owners are just too busy taking photos/videos to care!
Paul, would you (or anyone else for that matter) recommend any other L-mount forum?

That said this one has been a mine of information, with many thoughtful, insightful and helpful replies.
I’ve found a couple of dedicated l-mount forums (just Google for them), but they are both very dead. Camerarderie lumps l-mount with a bunch of other Leica mounts which seems crazy to me since the overlap between people with a Panasonic S body + some Sigma/Panasonic lenses and those with weird and exotic vintage Leica gear is practically zero. I proposed that they made L mount a “top-level” gear forum, aligned with Sony, Canon etc, but got pushback on the basis that L mount is designed by Leica and therefore it’s all fine. They did point out (not unreasonably) that there isn’t a lot of activity from L mount users, so why change?

All this does lead me to conclude that L mount is actually even more minority than I thought when I bought in to the system. It casts doubt whether it will survive TBH.

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I've only had my S5 for a month or so, but I'm noticing a definite lack of activity across the internet photo forums for L-Mount. This thread here is pretty quiet compared to the other gear forums, Cameraderie have decided to wrap L-mount in with other Leica mounts (LTM, M etc) and, despite there being a number of dedicated L-mount fora, they all seem to be pretty dead.

I'm trying to figure whether this means that L-mount really is still a very minority sport, or whether the owners are just too busy taking photos/videos to care!
This forum has around 3,000 threads. That's very little compared to the Sigma Camera Talk forum, which has almost 65,000 threads, but then again this forum is much newer. Many of the Foveonites are quite active in forums too, I believe. I am, I think, and some of the others have posted far more than I have. The thing is L mount is about as old as Z mount, and there are more than 18,000 threads in the Z mount forum. I guess that's because Nikon just has a lot more customers. No doubt the same goes for Canon.

I think it might take a bit more time before a crowd of regulars inhabits this forum, like has happened in many other forums. Some more commitment from Panasonic is likely to be required too. Panasonic is the big player in L mount, and while Sigma is a company that makes quite a variety of lenses, and Leica is a really serious company, which has been a leader in the photographic world for far longer than the others, Panasonic is big (bigger than Canon, bigger than Sony, bigger than Fuji, bigger than any other company in the photography world), and they can afford to make a bigger commitment than they have. I don't know what's going on with them, but they need to make more cameras for L mount. They've shown a reasonable level of commitment by creating a good set of lenses, though they don't have an 800mm f4 or f5.6 yet for some reason, and it seems like Panasonic doesn't even care about macro photography, but just one camera per year in the beginning, when everyone is trying to gain market share from Sony, just doesn't cut it! Apparently Sigma can't handle making a lot of new camera models, and Leica is just Leica. It probably really doesn't matter much what they do. Their cameras (and lenses) are so expensive that they probably won't bring a lot of photographers into L mount anyway.

The fact is there are very few adopters of L mount so far, and the reason for that is the other systems just look more attractive right now. L mount has to compete with Sony E mount, or everyone will just pick Sony E mount. Canon is trying, and so is Nikon, and they sure seem to be doing a better job than Panasonic and Sigma seem to be doing together in the L mount world. Unfortunately Leica does not offer anything to compete with the likes of the Nikon Z9 or the Sony A1. THAT is what Panasonic needs to make, or they need something with a super-high-resolution sensor (i.e. 80 MP or more), like what Sigma did with the fp L, but failed to bring many users, because the camera has a few flaws, so L mount will be more attractive than it is currently, only when Panasonic makes a greater commitment. Otherwise L mount will just languish, and never become what it could. Who knows though? Maybe Sigma will get more into making cameras, find more success, and start making a couple new camera models each year, and Panasonic will be the little player in the L mount, while Sigma is the big player, and Leica makes just as many new cameras as Panasonic, while charging twice as much for them (or three times as much).

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Actually trying to search for them is not that straightforward which is why I asked. And from what I have seen this has been the most useful. Pentax, frequently everyone’s favourite whipping boy, from my experience has good forums/fora for example.
 
Actually trying to search for them is not that straightforward which is why I asked. And from what I have seen this has been the most useful. Pentax, frequently everyone’s favourite whipping boy, from my experience has good forums/fora for example.
These are the two I found:

https://l-forum.com/index.php

https://www.l-camera-forum.com/forum/305-leica-l-mount/

Neither has much activity - a few posts a week, at most.

This is the "latest" from the former one. Ten posts since Thursday and almost none actually about L-mount gear!



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Some more commitment from Panasonic is likely to be required too. Panasonic is the big player in L mount, and while Sigma is a company that makes quite a variety of lenses, and Leica is a really serious company, which has been a leader in the photographic world for far longer than the others, Panasonic is big (bigger than Canon, bigger than Sony, bigger than Fuji, bigger than any other company in the photography world), and they can afford to make a bigger commitment than they have. I don't know what's going on with them, but they need to make more cameras for L mount. They've shown a reasonable level of commitment by creating a good set of lenses, though they don't have an 800mm f4 or f5.6 yet for some reason, and it seems like Panasonic doesn't even care about macro photography, but just one camera per year in the beginning, when everyone is trying to gain market share from Sony, just doesn't cut it! Apparently Sigma can't handle making a lot of new camera models, and Leica is just Leica. It probably really doesn't matter much what they do. Their cameras (and lenses) are so expensive that they probably won't bring a lot of photographers into L mount anyway.
I agree with all that. I guess that Covid put a stake into whatever plans Panasonic had, but even so, the current S camera range is rather quixotic. The S1H is pure video really; the S1 no better than the S5, but almost twice the weight; the S1R is nice, but not really offering much over the Nikon Z or the Sony A7rx but again, almost twice the weight.

The S5 stands alone as the one reasonably-affordable all-rounder that doesn't frighten people off with its size and weight. Its successor has a lot to deliver. Let's hope these rumours of PDAF that is "better AF than Sony" are true.

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And talking of the l-forum, I should add that in fact I've received two PMs since I joined. Both were the same, like this one I just received now 10 mins after logging in:





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So, worse than dead!

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Paul
Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/paul_kaye
 
And talking of the l-forum, I should add that in fact I've received two PMs since I joined. Both were the same, like this one I just received now 10 mins after logging in:

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So, worse than dead!
Popular guy!
 
And talking of the l-forum, I should add that in fact I've received two PMs since I joined. Both were the same, like this one I just received now 10 mins after logging in:

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So, worse than dead!
Question: At least, were emily's naked photos taken with an L-Mount camera???

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I'm trying to figure whether this means that L-mount really is still a very minority sport, or whether the owners are just too busy taking photos/videos to care!

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L mount is rare in the wild, the cameras are either very expensive or, with the exception of the Lumix S5, very niche. Thus the user base is much smaller than the big 3. Fear not, you are in a very exclusive and prestigious club ;)

L mount systems are manufactured to very high standards, rarely break down, and have intuitive menus. Consequently there are likely fewer posts triggered by faults or usage difficulty.

I think most people are happily shooting with their L mount kit, they’re just sharing results on other platforms. Flickr being a popular one. I myself only share a small amount online of the thousands of images taken per year.
 
I've only had my S5 for a month or so, but I'm noticing a definite lack of activity across the internet photo forums for L-Mount. This thread here is pretty quiet compared to the other gear forums,
L-mount is a small corner of the FF camera world compared with other brands/mounts.

That said, I think this forum is great! The members here are knowledgeable and helpful, the posts are interesting, and the volume of posts is easy to keep up with.

Compare this with the MFT forum where the volume of posts every day is quite high but most of it is puerile. It's like wading through treacle trying to find anything useful. Great place to go if you want to argue for the sake of it.
I suppose it is best to be quiet and intelligent than busy and puerile. Does this suggest that the L-Mount forum will be less attractive when the mount system becomes more popular? :)
I'm trying to figure whether this means that L-mount really is still a very minority sport, or whether the owners are just too busy taking photos/videos to care!
I don't know but think it's more likely to be a minority segment.
I agree - all mount system fora seem to reflect their market penetration in proportion to its used numbers. The depth of debate is also probably proportional to the rate of release of new product and the number of existing users.

Lots of users and slow release of product and the gear heads of such fora tend to start sounding like old folks yarning on the park bench ....
 
I've only had my S5 for a month or so, but I'm noticing a definite lack of activity across the internet photo forums for L-Mount. This thread here is pretty quiet compared to the other gear forums, Cameraderie have decided to wrap L-mount in with other Leica mounts (LTM, M etc) and, despite there being a number of dedicated L-mount fora, they all seem to be pretty dead.

I'm trying to figure whether this means that L-mount really is still a very minority sport, or whether the owners are just too busy taking photos/videos to care!
It's a new format by not one of the big three. It has great cameras and lenses, but it also has (in the eyes of a number of reviewers and users) some things that make it less than competitive in some ways (no PDAF).

SO, there are going to be fewer users because it is a new product line from other than the big 3, AND it also has some growing pains to overcome.

Give it time.

Personally, I am very happy with the S5. Its output is absolutely stellar. I hope Panasonic gets the AF thing sorted and hits it out of the park with the next round of bodies, and with time, that should bring more folks around to the forum.

-J
The funny thing about camera chat by gear heads is that the more they suggest the more the pseudo designs of cameras get to be much the same.

The Panasonic self smack-down would have all cameras with IBIS instead of good Lens-IS, larger, ever larger evf sizes, PDAF instead of developed CDAF.

Eventually all camera bodies from all brands will be about the same size as a large M4/3 body, shaped like a faux dslr, and with a side hinged flip out lcd. IBIS is now mandatory and it will be difficult to sell any camera body that does not include this in specifications.

Soon enough one type/shape will suit all and we will be down to fussing about chromed fins and swoopy shapes with distinctive grilles on the cooling fans necessary for the inevitable blazing fast video.

Inevitably fashion outs unique innovation ....

I sad this sadly in jest .... :)
 
I've only had my S5 for a month or so, but I'm noticing a definite lack of activity across the internet photo forums for L-Mount. This thread here is pretty quiet compared to the other gear forums, Cameraderie have decided to wrap L-mount in with other Leica mounts (LTM, M etc) and, despite there being a number of dedicated L-mount fora, they all seem to be pretty dead.

I'm trying to figure whether this means that L-mount really is still a very minority sport, or whether the owners are just too busy taking photos/videos to care!
 
I've only had my S5 for a month or so, but I'm noticing a definite lack of activity across the internet photo forums for L-Mount. This thread here is pretty quiet compared to the other gear forums, Cameraderie have decided to wrap L-mount in with other Leica mounts (LTM, M etc) and, despite there being a number of dedicated L-mount fora, they all seem to be pretty dead.

I'm trying to figure whether this means that L-mount really is still a very minority sport, or whether the owners are just too busy taking photos/videos to care!
I agree it's not as active as the Pentax forum I recently just left when I bought my S5 but the advice I have been getting here has been excellent and everyone is more than willing to help out. To me that is what is most important, people helping others who have questions. There's a lot of really good and knowledgeable people on this forum that have been excellent at helping answer questions and provide insight, very similar to the Pentax forum. The main difference is people post a lot more pictures on the Pentax form.

Scott
Oh, I agree that the chat here is civil, informative, and positive. No complaints at all. Not all of DPR is like that (I'm referring of course to the m43 forum!!).
 

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