New noise reduction king!

[Ted B.47613]

Not ready for prime time. The preview square works, but the 'remove noise' function produces no changes, based on 'before' and 'after' toggling.

Call me when it's 'mature'. I'll be real excited then.

Ted

Check out Noise Ninja (tacky name huh?) at http://www.picturecode.com

I've tried a couple of noise reduction programs (such as Quantum
mechanic and DigitalGEM) and found that Neat Image would blow them
ALL away, especially for very noisy images.

But Noise Ninja seems to do a slightly better job (quite surprised
really). The program still has a few bugs (I can't build a noise
profile!) and the interface needs a bit of tweaking but this is one
program to keep an eye on!

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[Dmitry K]

Never heard anything about restrictions other than available memory. Just tried to copy/paste 22.5M TIFF, no problems. Did you think about W9x?

Dmitry

Exactly as with any other app, you can't drag document window
anywhere else. The solution may be copy/paste as I proposed at your
forum.

Windows imposes a restriction on the size of any buffer copied to
the clipboard, so copy/paste is not a good solution when dealing
with digital image files that can easily exceed this limitation.

Dan

 

[Dmitry K]

Did you profie it? From all posts in the thread you may notice that it does work, though.

Dmitry

Call me when it's 'mature'. I'll be real excited then.

Ted

Check out Noise Ninja (tacky name huh?) at http://www.picturecode.com

I've tried a couple of noise reduction programs (such as Quantum
mechanic and DigitalGEM) and found that Neat Image would blow them
ALL away, especially for very noisy images.

But Noise Ninja seems to do a slightly better job (quite surprised
really). The program still has a few bugs (I can't build a noise
profile!) and the interface needs a bit of tweaking but this is one
program to keep an eye on!

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[Bud Guinn]

I also have Neat Image Pro and when this becomes available in the plugin format I will probably get it...speed...batch capability.
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[PictureCode]

Ted, can you try the following and let me know if it works:

1. Open "witch.jpg" in the Samples directory.

2. Zoom to 100% magnification. (Use the magnifier icon at the top of the window).

3. Go to the Profile page, and then load "witch.nzp" from the Noise Profiles directory. (Click on the folder icon on the Profile page.)

4. Go to the Filter page and press "Remove Noise".

You should see an obvious difference. If not, please let me know by email. You're the first person to report anything like this, so I'd like to track this down if it turns out not to be user error.

Thanks,
Jim Christian
PictureCode

Call me when it's 'mature'. I'll be real excited then.

Ted

Check out Noise Ninja (tacky name huh?) at http://www.picturecode.com

I've tried a couple of noise reduction programs (such as Quantum
mechanic and DigitalGEM) and found that Neat Image would blow them
ALL away, especially for very noisy images.

But Noise Ninja seems to do a slightly better job (quite surprised
really). The program still has a few bugs (I can't build a noise
profile!) and the interface needs a bit of tweaking but this is one
program to keep an eye on!

--
JayCee
http://www.pbase.com/jaycee_photo

--
Hide not your talents, they for use were made. What's a sun-dial in
the shade? Benjamin Franklin



My Website: http://svphoto.us

 

[PictureCode]

I'm happy to do it if Jerry thinks it would help. I'm meeting his sales team later this week, I'll ask him about it then.

-- Jim

Do you have plans for doing some demos down at Precision Camera?

I'll mention it to them tomorrow.

--
Johnny
Austin, Republic of Texas

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[crystal clear]

Since the developer is frequent in this forum... I'd like to ask them why they do not have profiles for the Fuji S2 SLR camera?

The Fuji camera is in the same Digital SLR catagory as the Nikon and Cannon and has a healthy market share.

Thank you.
CrystalClear

 

[Kiat]

Lets see, DigitalGEM is $79.95. It also doesn't work with 16-bit images. The equivalent version of Noise Ninja is $29.

DigitalGEM leaves the image looking overprocessed and isn't as effective at removing noise (compared to Noise Ninja or Neat Image).

Noise Ninja Home performs better and is a lot cheaper..... so yes it is utter cr@p.

Noise Ninja is a far better solution. Use Neat Image if you need a PS plug-in.

by all accounts, digital gem is pretty lousy. like matrix
revolutions...

--
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web design ~ interactive media ~ photography
(specifically candids/street, event, theatre, abstract/arty)
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[Glenn Haley]

I thought I was really missing something basic, thanks for the honest reply. I am holding off purchasing your product until the Adobe Plugin arrives, hope it's completed soon!

Glenn

Sorry for the confusion, I'll see if there's anything I can do
about it. (It looks like PhotoShop only allows drag-drop from
another app to PhotoShop, not the other way around.)

-- Jim

I've had a couple of PhotoShop users try the product who were a
little concerned about the stand-alone nature of the app, but after
they tried
it and got comfortable with the interface, they didn't mind so much.

I do want to develop a plug-in version, but I can't yet estimate when
that will happen.

Jim Christian
PictureCode
http://www.picturecode.com

Like when neatimage first came out there was no Photoshop plug-in
which meant to use neatimage you had to alter ones photoshop
work-flow. Once neatimage developed its plug in it integrated
seamlessly into work-flow that used photoshop. If an image needed
noise reduction or noise reduction in selected parts you filter it
with NI plug-in. If Ninja develops a Photoshop plug-in and is
faster then NI it would be worth the higher cost. The time savings
coupled with a reduced price for a completive upgrade might make it
worthwhile for current licensed users of NI.
--
JJMack

 

[Glenn Haley]

I'd like to know how you Copy/Paste and image from Adobe to Ninja. I tried it and my Adobe Photoshop Version 7.01 does not allow an opened image to be copied.

Glenn

Dmitry

Exactly as with any other app, you can't drag document window
anywhere else. The solution may be copy/paste as I proposed at your
forum.

Windows imposes a restriction on the size of any buffer copied to
the clipboard, so copy/paste is not a good solution when dealing
with digital image files that can easily exceed this limitation.

Dan

 

[PictureCode]

I simply haven't had time yet to cover all the models out there.

Precision Camera in Austin graciously allows me to borrow display models of their cameras to shoot calibration shots. I'll see if they have the Fuji in stock and add it to my list of to-dos. (Also, if anyone out there wants to shoot calibration shots and send them to me, I'll be happy to build the profiles and add them to the distribution.)

Thanks,
Jim

Since the developer is frequent in this forum... I'd like to ask
them why they do not have profiles for the Fuji S2 SLR camera?

The Fuji camera is in the same Digital SLR catagory as the Nikon
and Cannon and has a healthy market share.

Thank you.
CrystalClear

 

[Dmitry K]

Selection > Select All, Edit > Copy or Copy Merged

Dmitry

I'd like to know how you Copy/Paste and image from Adobe to Ninja.
I tried it and my Adobe Photoshop Version 7.01 does not allow an
opened image to be copied.

Glenn

 

[Michael Almond]

Michael, thanks for the continuing work with the comparisons.

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You're welcome Bud. I have two, possibly three, more tools on the horizon, so they keep on coming. After Neat Image, I thought why would anyone bother writing a new noise reduction tool, but I'm glad I was wrong, otherwise we wouldn't have Noise Ninja!

• Mike.

--
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[Michael Almond]

Nice job, Michael!

Thanks!

Okay, I'm sold on Noise Ninja. Now I just have to decide on Home
vs. Pro versions (since there is no plug-in version yet). Any
compelling reason to go with one over the other? What version
were your tests run with? Did you use 8 bit or 16?
Dan

I used the Pro version for my tests, but the test images are 8-bit, so the Home version would have worked just as well. So if you never work with 16-bit images, then the Home version should be fine for you. For my own personal use, I need the Pro version because I shoot almost exclusively RAW.

• Mike.

I've added Noise Ninja to my comparison of 17 other noise reduction
tools.
I found it to be the best of the bunch, now I just need to wait for
the plugin version!

http://www.michaelalmond.com/Articles/noise.htm

• Mike.

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[Ted B.47613]

I was able to get it to work after the initial failure. I profiled my V1 camera and took it for a spin, but initially the program would not remove noise except in the preview square.

The ability to toggle back and forth between 'before' and 'after' would be more useful if the screen didn't 'blink' during the toggle. That makes it much more difficult to see what is changing. And being able to toggle the preview square back and forth with a mouse click (as Neatimage does) would make it easier to get the results you want.

After a few tweaks like these, I imagine I'll be a customer.

Ted :^)

Call me when it's 'mature'. I'll be real excited then.

Ted

Check out Noise Ninja (tacky name huh?) at http://www.picturecode.com

I've tried a couple of noise reduction programs (such as Quantum
mechanic and DigitalGEM) and found that Neat Image would blow them
ALL away, especially for very noisy images.

But Noise Ninja seems to do a slightly better job (quite surprised
really). The program still has a few bugs (I can't build a noise
profile!) and the interface needs a bit of tweaking but this is one
program to keep an eye on!

--
JayCee
http://www.pbase.com/jaycee_photo

--
Hide not your talents, they for use were made. What's a sun-dial in
the shade? Benjamin Franklin



My Website: http://svphoto.us

--

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My Website: http://svphoto.us

 

[Ted B.47613]

I have not been able to re-create the error, so it was probably my fault. Sorry to point the finger prematurely. Seems to be a habit of mine lately.

Looks like a promising product. I especially like the speed. Don't know if anyone asked, but being able to load the profile automatically based on EXIF data (camera model, ISO) would be great in a batch or plugin version. Totally hands off noise reduction.

I can get close to this with Photoshop Script Builder and Neatimage. PSSB reads the exif data and based on camera model and ISO, it can run Neatimage for me, in batch, using the correct settings for a mixed batch of images. George Smith has worked hard to make the two work together. Haven't seen him around here lately, though.

Looking forward to buying Noise Ninja soon,

Ted

1. Open "witch.jpg" in the Samples directory.

2. Zoom to 100% magnification. (Use the magnifier icon at the top
of the window).

3. Go to the Profile page, and then load "witch.nzp" from the
Noise Profiles directory. (Click on the folder icon on the Profile
page.)

4. Go to the Filter page and press "Remove Noise".

You should see an obvious difference. If not, please let me know
by email. You're the first person to report anything like this, so
I'd like to track this down if it turns out not to be user error.

Thanks,
Jim Christian
PictureCode

Call me when it's 'mature'. I'll be real excited then.

Ted

Check out Noise Ninja (tacky name huh?) at http://www.picturecode.com

I've tried a couple of noise reduction programs (such as Quantum
mechanic and DigitalGEM) and found that Neat Image would blow them
ALL away, especially for very noisy images.

But Noise Ninja seems to do a slightly better job (quite surprised
really). The program still has a few bugs (I can't build a noise
profile!) and the interface needs a bit of tweaking but this is one
program to keep an eye on!

--
JayCee
http://www.pbase.com/jaycee_photo

--
Hide not your talents, they for use were made. What's a sun-dial in
the shade? Benjamin Franklin



My Website: http://svphoto.us

--

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My Website: http://svphoto.us

 

[PictureCode]

Yes, a couple of other people have requested refinement of the toggle function, as well as the EXIF-based profile selection.

Thanks for the feedback, Ted, and I'll keep working to make you a customer.

-- Jim

The ability to toggle back and forth between 'before' and 'after'
would be more useful if the screen didn't 'blink' during the
toggle. That makes it much more difficult to see what is changing.
And being able to toggle the preview square back and forth with a
mouse click (as Neatimage does) would make it easier to get the
results you want.

After a few tweaks like these, I imagine I'll be a customer.

Ted :^)

Call me when it's 'mature'. I'll be real excited then.

Ted

Check out Noise Ninja (tacky name huh?) at http://www.picturecode.com

I've tried a couple of noise reduction programs (such as Quantum
mechanic and DigitalGEM) and found that Neat Image would blow them
ALL away, especially for very noisy images.

But Noise Ninja seems to do a slightly better job (quite surprised
really). The program still has a few bugs (I can't build a noise
profile!) and the interface needs a bit of tweaking but this is one
program to keep an eye on!

--
JayCee
http://www.pbase.com/jaycee_photo

--
Hide not your talents, they for use were made. What's a sun-dial in
the shade? Benjamin Franklin



My Website: http://svphoto.us

--
Hide not your talents, they for use were made. What's a sun-dial in
the shade? Benjamin Franklin



My Website: http://svphoto.us

 

[Bud Guinn]

It never occured to me that the EXIF data could be used as a potential profile point......I'd love to see something like this implemented...and in the plugin version. I am doing alot of astrophotography and this sometimes intails stacking many...many..pictures together to get the most possible detail........doing the profile in a batch mode would be great.

Jim????

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[PictureCode]

Hi Bud,

If you mean selecting an existing profile based on the EXIF information in the image, then, yes, I've had several requests for this. People want to be able to shoot at several different ISOs and then have the batch processor automatically select the correct profile based on the ISO in the EXIF information.

However, I'm not 100% sure this is what you're asking. Can you confirm or clarify?

Thanks,
Jim

It never occured to me that the EXIF data could be used as a
potential profile point......I'd love to see something like this
implemented...and in the plugin version. I am doing alot of
astrophotography and this sometimes intails stacking
many...many..pictures together to get the most possible
detail........doing the profile in a batch mode would be great.

Jim????

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sony fd91, nikon 5700
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[Bud Guinn]

Jim, you're not the first to say they couldn't understand me......

but you did get it right....I'd like to be able to use the exif to automatically pick the proper profile.

What I was getting at with the other stuff (and really wasn't necessary for me to talk about) is that it'd be great to be able to take sixty pictures of say....Saturn....process these through a batch. Then I could input them into my stacking programs and proceed with the astro processing.
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