New Gen 12 Dell XPS Laptops

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https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/discrete-gpus/iris-xe-max.html

I can't remember if it always had that exact name or not. Scroll down various laptops are listed.
Thank you! I found a review for that by looking for Xe-Max. Not impressive performance, doesn't look like it had widespread adoption, so I'm not surprised it didn't come to my attention. Too bad, it would have been good if it gave a worthwhile improvement in performance with less power and cooling needs than the Nvidias.

I'll wait for reviews (hopefully) from notebookcheck and/or other tech sites to decide about the XPS 17.
 
I don't think the idea was impressive performance -) It was just supposed to be better than the IGPU while cheaper than the full fledged NVidia.
 
So, the XPS 15 and 17 gen 12's have been announced. They currently have the option of an RTX 3050. Next month, they will also offer an RTX 3060. For Adobe and Topaz photo editing, how big of a difference do you think this would be?

How about video editing?
I have a 3050 Ti and while I would have liked a 3060 with 6GB of ram, the 3050 Ti doesn't hold me back for any Adobe programs. Premiere tends to like using a lot of GPU ram for video even though the GPU load isn't high.
 
So, i have the XPS 9150, and the 3050Ti feels plenty capable for tasks where it can get used Topaz, DXO 5, Photoshop. A DXO 5 Deep Prime export takes 5-9 seconds (depending on the cleanup required) for a single photo, which is acceptable in my general workflow (if i did hundreds at a time in an export, maybe not, but...)

Also, i don't believe the 9520 is getting the 3060 (unless i missed later news). AFAIK, that is still only reserved for the 17" model..
 
So, i have the XPS 9150, and the 3050Ti feels plenty capable for tasks where it can get used Topaz, DXO 5, Photoshop. A DXO 5 Deep Prime export takes 5-9 seconds (depending on the cleanup required) for a single photo, which is acceptable in my general workflow (if i did hundreds at a time in an export, maybe not, but...)

Also, i don't believe the 9520 is getting the 3060 (unless i missed later news). AFAIK, that is still only reserved for the 17" model..
The RTX 3060 is the sweet spot, just like the GTX 1060. The 1050/3050, even Ti, are still entry level. Even on Dell Inspiron Gaming laptops, their 3050/Ti version only comes with 4GB VRAM with limited output options (and UBS2).

Although, I don't think the thin and tiny heatsink/cooling of the XPS is adequate to keep the laptop cool, it'll throttle anyway, so there's no point in getting a beefy GPU. My old XPS 9570 (with 1050Ti Max-Q) crashed so often that I had to undervolt the i7-8750H and capped the Turbo Ratio limit at 34 in order to keep it stable (and the fans from running continuously).

On the other hand, now's a good time to buy last gen laptops. Those Ryzen 7, especially 5800H, paired with a 3060, have much more value for the money. Not to mention 32GB of DDR4 is still affordable (vs DDR5).

I upgraded my 5-yo Dell 7567 to a Legion 5 Pro last month, $1,239, totally worth the money with high quality build. I don't carry it around often, mostly docking at my desk with QHD 27" monitor, a mechanical keyboard, a gaming mouse, and a pair of Pioneer speakers. The 3060 can max out at 130W for hours with efficient cooling. While darktable makes very good use of the GPU, my old 1050Ti with 4GB forced tiling on 24MP RAF, while the new 3060 with 6GB RAM can process the image at once, speeding up the export from 11 seconds to just 2 seconds.

 
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The new Core-i5 gen 12 XPS laptop is available with Intel UHD graphics and 8GB memory, or with Iris Xe and 16GB memory for $100 more.


I thought Irix Xe replaces UHD, but perhaps it is a separate mini-board?

Either way, I wouldn't buy either of these models. Just curious what's up.
 
The new Core-i5 gen 12 XPS laptop is available with Intel UHD graphics and 8GB memory, or with Iris Xe and 16GB memory for $100 more.

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/laptops/new-xps-17/spd/xps-17-9720-laptop

I thought Irix Xe replaces UHD, but perhaps it is a separate mini-board?

Either way, I wouldn't buy either of these models. Just curious what's up.
I'm guessing it's Xe's branding requirement for dual-channel DRAM, because selecting Xe instead of UHD merely adds another memory module as far as I can tell.
 
The RTX 3060 is the sweet spot, just like the GTX 1060. The 1050/3050, even Ti, are still entry level. Even on Dell Inspiron Gaming laptops, their 3050/Ti version only comes with 4GB VRAM with limited output options (and UBS2).

Although, I don't think the thin and tiny heatsink/cooling of the XPS is adequate to keep the laptop cool, it'll throttle anyway, so there's no point in getting a beefy GPU. My old XPS 9570 (with 1050Ti Max-Q) crashed so often that I had to undervolt the i7-8750H and capped the Turbo Ratio limit at 34 in order to keep it stable (and the fans from running continuously).

On the other hand, now's a good time to buy last gen laptops. Those Ryzen 7, especially 5800H, paired with a 3060, have much more value for the money. Not to mention 32GB of DDR4 is still affordable (vs DDR5).

I upgraded my 5-yo Dell 7567 to a Legion 5 Pro last month, $1,239, totally worth the money with high quality build. I don't carry it around often, mostly docking at my desk with QHD 27" monitor, a mechanical keyboard, a gaming mouse, and a pair of Pioneer speakers. The 3060 can max out at 130W for hours with efficient cooling. While darktable makes very good use of the GPU, my old 1050Ti with 4GB forced tiling on 24MP RAF, while the new 3060 with 6GB RAM can process the image at once, speeding up the export from 11 seconds to just 2 seconds.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/304185773366
That looks pretty good. Just curious, how big is the power brick? I guess it is huge, right?

Last year I tried out a Dell G15 gaming laptop here in Japan. Huge power brick, but it comes with the territory. I think it was 240 watts. I sent mine back though for other reasons. I hated the Japanese keyboard (can't get U.S. keyboard here), Japanese Windows 10 that can partially be switched to English, but some parts stay Japanese, and some other issues I had with it. Fewer choices here in Japan, usually little or no configuration options, etc. This is the one I had for a week or so in September 2021:

i7-11800H, 8 cores, (2.3ghz, Turbo Boost 4.6ghz)
Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 6gb GDDR6
Intel UHD Graphics for 11th Gen Intel Processors
16gb RAM DDR4 3200mhz
1tb M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD


I don't do any gaming. Just normal use and Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, Topaz Sharpen AI and Denoise AI occasionally, etc. Laptop connected to external monitor and external 2tb SSD.
 
That looks pretty good. Just curious, how big is the power brick? I guess it is huge, right?
Huge 300W power brick. At first I thought to myself I'll have to travel with another laptop so no way I'm getting it. But as I read the specs, it can be charged via USB-C port. Those tiny GaN chargers are efficient, so I got myself a 65W for $20 on sale, not any bigger than my phone charger, and it can charge multiple devices, too. I don't plan to game on trips so no worry about running at full power.

those GaN chargers are usually listed in Watt, and W=VxA, just in case anyone wondering :-)
those GaN chargers are usually listed in Watt, and W=VxA, just in case anyone wondering :-)
Last year I tried out a Dell G15 gaming laptop here in Japan. Huge power brick, but it comes with the territory. I think it was 240 watts. I sent mine back though for other reasons. I hated the Japanese keyboard (can't get U.S. keyboard here), Japanese Windows 10 that can partially be switched to English, but some parts stay Japanese, and some other issues I had with it. Fewer choices here in Japan, usually little or no configuration options, etc. This is the one I had for a week or so in September 2021:

i7-11800H, 8 cores, (2.3ghz, Turbo Boost 4.6ghz)
Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 6gb GDDR6
Intel UHD Graphics for 11th Gen Intel Processors
16gb RAM DDR4 3200mhz
1tb M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD


I don't do any gaming. Just normal use and Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, Topaz Sharpen AI and Denoise AI occasionally, etc. Laptop connected to external monitor and external 2tb SSD.
I play games but only 30-60 minutes a day. The GPU are mainly used for photo editing, darktable utilizes the 3060 very well. I'm also experimenting with OpenCV and machine learning, the GPU is also handy for that.

My requirements are pickier than others as I use Ubuntu. I've been sticking with Dell as they're usually the most Linux-friendly, but the quality and build of the Legion Pro is just too good to pass. Luckily everything works fine out-of-the-box for this laptop with Ubuntu 21.10. The two NVMe M.2 slots are only Gen 3, though, so I got myself a 1TB Samsung Evo 970 for the free slot (the 2TB was on sale for $139 last week with educational discount).

The 16" 16:10 165Hz screen is nice and bright, just scrolling webpages feels satisfying, so tempting to upgrade my Dell monitor to something with FreeSync. All components in the back are carefully covered, with heat sinks where possible. Very well-designed!
 
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That looks pretty good. Just curious, how big is the power brick? I guess it is huge, right?
Huge 300W power brick. At first I thought to myself I'll have to travel with another laptop so no way I'm getting it. But as I read the specs, it can be charged via USB-C port. Those tiny GaN chargers are efficient, so I got myself a 65W for $20 on sale, not any bigger than my phone charger, and it can charge multiple devices, too. I don't plan to game on trips so no worry about running at full power.

those GaN chargers are usually listed in Watt, and W=VxA, just in case anyone wondering :-)
those GaN chargers are usually listed in Watt, and W=VxA, just in case anyone wondering :-)
I had never thought of that. I wouldn't want to carry the huge power brick when away, but if a laptop has USB-C charging then something like what you bought would work great. I suppose the charge is slow, but should be okay overnight, right? That would usually be fast enough for me.
Last year I tried out a Dell G15 gaming laptop here in Japan. Huge power brick, but it comes with the territory. I think it was 240 watts. I sent mine back though for other reasons. I hated the Japanese keyboard (can't get U.S. keyboard here), Japanese Windows 10 that can partially be switched to English, but some parts stay Japanese, and some other issues I had with it. Fewer choices here in Japan, usually little or no configuration options, etc. This is the one I had for a week or so in September 2021:

i7-11800H, 8 cores, (2.3ghz, Turbo Boost 4.6ghz)
Nvidia GeForce RTX 3060 6gb GDDR6
Intel UHD Graphics for 11th Gen Intel Processors
16gb RAM DDR4 3200mhz
1tb M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD


I don't do any gaming. Just normal use and Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, Topaz Sharpen AI and Denoise AI occasionally, etc. Laptop connected to external monitor and external 2tb SSD.
I play games but only 30-60 minutes a day. The GPU are mainly used for photo editing, darktable utilizes the 3060 very well. I'm also experimenting with OpenCV and machine learning, the GPU is also handy for that.

My requirements are pickier than others as I use Ubuntu. I've been sticking with Dell as they're usually the most Linux-friendly, but the quality and build of the Legion Pro is just too good to pass. Luckily everything works fine out-of-the-box for this laptop with Ubuntu 21.10. The two NVMe M.2 slots are only Gen 3, though, so I got myself a 1TB Samsung Evo 970 for the free slot (the 2TB was on sale for $139 last week with educational discount).
I suppose it has two RAM slots so with 16gb there are two 8gb sticks? I prefer 32gb and that is what I have in my current Dell laptop I bought in 2019. When I bought that one it had 16gb in one slot and the other slot was empty so I put another 16gb stick in and didn't have to take any RAM out and waste it. Nice.
The 16" 16:10 165Hz screen is nice and bright, just scrolling webpages feels satisfying, so tempting to upgrade my Dell monitor to something with FreeSync. All components in the back are carefully covered, with heat sinks where possible. Very well-designed!
I did some checking and it seems that U.S. places will ship this Lenovo to Japan. Dell U.S. won't ship to Japan. They force you to buy from Dell Japan, but then you are also forced to get the Japanese keyboard, etc. Apple also forces you to buy from Apple Japan, but they allow you to select which keyboard you want so it isn't a problem. I think I recall checking HP Japan last year and they were the same as Dell. :-(

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I had never thought of that. I wouldn't want to carry the huge power brick when away, but if a laptop has USB-C charging then something like what you bought would work great. I suppose the charge is slow, but should be okay overnight, right? That would usually be fast enough for me.
The 65W charges a little slow while using the laptop, but pretty fast when the laptop is sleeping/hibernating, or turned off (all the power goes into charging the battery). Basically from the manual:

* less than 45W charger: doesn't work (I did test this)
* 45W-65W: able to use laptop, but won't charge battery unless laptop sleeps, hibernates, or off
* 65W-100W: able to charge the battery while using the laptop

From the above, we can perhaps deduce that the laptop consumes 45W while in use. Thus, 65W charger can only provide 20W to the battery while the laptop being used. Given the battery is 80Wh, that would take 4 hours to fully charge an empty battery. If the computer is off, all 65W goes into charging the battery, that would be 80/65 = 1.23 hr. You can do similar approximation for 100W charger.

Of course the nVidia will be capped with limited power. Under Windows, it should stay on the Radeon iGPU to conserve power, only switch to nVidia for demanding tasks.
I suppose it has two RAM slots so with 16gb there are two 8gb sticks? I prefer 32gb and that is what I have in my current Dell laptop I bought in 2019. When I bought that one it had 16gb in one slot and the other slot was empty so I put another 16gb stick in and didn't have to take any RAM out and waste it. Nice.
It came with 8GB on each slot, the only downside I found so far. I use my laptop as a development environment, basically running full web server stack, IDE, ... thus I upgraded to a pair of 16GB, dual-rank. But now I have a spare pair of 8GB (Samsung RAM, made in Vietnam). Oh well, with me being the only tech in the big family, I'm sure those 16GB will be utilized at some point.
I did some checking and it seems that U.S. places will ship this Lenovo to Japan. Dell U.S. won't ship to Japan. They force you to buy from Dell Japan, but then you are also forced to get the Japanese keyboard, etc. Apple also forces you to buy from Apple Japan, but they allow you to select which keyboard you want so it isn't a problem. I think I recall checking HP Japan last year and they were the same as Dell. :-(
Dell is OK, but I'd stay away from HP. Their build quality and customer service have gone down the past few years. This is my first Lenovo laptop, I'm glad it reflects all the praising reviews I've read.
 
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I suppose it has two RAM slots so with 16gb there are two 8gb sticks? I prefer 32gb and that is what I have in my current Dell laptop I bought in 2019. When I bought that one it had 16gb in one slot and the other slot was empty so I put another 16gb stick in and didn't have to take any RAM out and waste it. Nice.
It came with 8GB on each slot, the only downside I found so far. I use my laptop as a development environment, basically running full web server stack, IDE, ... thus I upgraded to a pair of 16GB, dual-rank. But now I have a spare pair of 8GB (Samsung RAM, made in Vietnam). Oh well, with me being the only tech in the big family, I'm sure those 16GB will be utilized at some point.
I don't know if the two 16gb SODIMM 2666mhz RAM sticks in my current 2019 Dell is dual channel or not. Or if I need to do something special to make it so. Do you know?

i7-8565u, 4 cores, (1.8ghz, Turbo Boost 4.6ghz)
Nvidia Geforce MX250 2gb DDR5
Intel UHD 620
32gb RAM DDR4 2666mhz (but Win10 reports that it runs at 2400mhz)
512gb SSD

How about on the Lenovo? I am sort of confused about this stuff. Maybe it is more for desktops than laptops?
I did some checking and it seems that U.S. places will ship this Lenovo to Japan. Dell U.S. won't ship to Japan. They force you to buy from Dell Japan, but then you are also forced to get the Japanese keyboard, etc. Apple also forces you to buy from Apple Japan, but they allow you to select which keyboard you want so it isn't a problem. I think I recall checking HP Japan last year and they were the same as Dell. :-(
Dell is OK, but I'd stay away from HP. Their build quality and customer service have gone down the past few years. This is my first Lenovo laptop, I'm glad it reflects all the praising reviews I've read.
The last HP I bought was this 2015 model:

HP Spectre x360 13.3"
i5-6200u, 2 cores, (2.3ghz, Turbo Boost 2.8ghz)
Intel HD Graphics 520
8gb RAM
256gb SSD

It has been wonderful. Great build quality and the equal of the 14" M1 Pro MacBook Pro I used for a couple of weeks recently. I still have the HP and use it occasionally. Most recently in October 2021 when we went to Kyoto for a week. I had the current version of Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, and Topaz programs on it and used it some at night in the hotel. LrC actually ran pretty well still, but I was mostly just importing the day's photos, adding keywords, and occasionally doing a bit of editing. Small screen. I didn't know that in more recent years HP had gone downhill. Too bad. Thanks for the heads up.
 
I don't know if the two 16gb SODIMM 2666mhz RAM sticks in my current 2019 Dell is dual channel or not. Or if I need to do something special to make it so. Do you know?

i7-8565u, 4 cores, (1.8ghz, Turbo Boost 4.6ghz)
Nvidia Geforce MX250 2gb DDR5
Intel UHD 620
32gb RAM DDR4 2666mhz (but Win10 reports that it runs at 2400mhz)
512gb SSD
I just remembered that last year I downloaded a program called CPU-Z that gives lots of info. I ran it a couple of minutes ago and it seems to answer my question. Looks like my current 2019 laptop is using dual channel. I am not sure how to interpret the DRAM frequency 1197.1 MHz info though. The RAM is supposed to be 2666 MHz, but Win10 in the Task Manager says 2400 MHz. Now CPU-Z is reporting 1197.1 MHz.

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I don't know if the two 16gb SODIMM 2666mhz RAM sticks in my current 2019 Dell is dual channel or not. Or if I need to do something special to make it so. Do you know?

i7-8565u, 4 cores, (1.8ghz, Turbo Boost 4.6ghz)
Nvidia Geforce MX250 2gb DDR5
Intel UHD 620
32gb RAM DDR4 2666mhz (but Win10 reports that it runs at 2400mhz)
512gb SSD

How about on the Lenovo? I am sort of confused about this stuff. Maybe it is more for desktops than laptops?
Each slot is one channel. If you use up both slots (two modules), it's very likely dual-channel (the memory controller can talk to both modules at the same time).

Dual-ranking is different from dual-channel, and doesn't make much difference so you don't need to know about it. It's about how individual module utilizes its own channel.

The i7-8565u supports maximum memory clock of 2400MHz, so your 2666MHz modules are a little underutilized, but there's nothing wrong with it. Your system should be working at its max capacity.
The last HP I bought was this 2015 model:

HP Spectre x360 13.3"
i5-6200u, 2 cores, (2.3ghz, Turbo Boost 2.8ghz)
Intel HD Graphics 520
8gb RAM
256gb SSD

It has been wonderful. Great build quality and the equal of the 14" M1 Pro MacBook Pro I used for a couple of weeks recently. I still have the HP and use it occasionally. Most recently in October 2021 when we went to Kyoto for a week. I had the current version of Lightroom Classic, Photoshop, and Topaz programs on it and used it some at night in the hotel. LrC actually ran pretty well still, but I was mostly just importing the day's photos, adding keywords, and occasionally doing a bit of editing. Small screen. I didn't know that in more recent years HP had gone downhill. Too bad. Thanks for the heads up.
It's like playing lottery with HP recently. Their gaming laptops have reduced power vs Dell and Lenovo, e.g. GPU capped at 100W instead of going up to 130W, cooling system is inadequate leading to throttling/overheating. A few friends of mine got the orders in but they could delay the shipping or cancel the order however they want, quite frustrating.

I don't use Windows and Adobe so I'm not sure, but I heard Adobe didn't utilize the GPU much until recently, and even so quite limited. I don't know their game plan for the future, but if you're not paying their subscription, your LR Classic perhaps won't benefit much from a beefy GPU.

darktable, on the other hand, is under rapid/active development, utilizes the GPU very well, and is free/open-source :-)

The biggest upgrade for me is the Ryzen 7 5800H vs the old i5-7300HQ. I shared my test result earlier:

 
I don't know if the two 16gb SODIMM 2666mhz RAM sticks in my current 2019 Dell is dual channel or not. Or if I need to do something special to make it so. Do you know?

i7-8565u, 4 cores, (1.8ghz, Turbo Boost 4.6ghz)
Nvidia Geforce MX250 2gb DDR5
Intel UHD 620
32gb RAM DDR4 2666mhz (but Win10 reports that it runs at 2400mhz)
512gb SSD
I just remembered that last year I downloaded a program called CPU-Z that gives lots of info. I ran it a couple of minutes ago and it seems to answer my question. Looks like my current 2019 laptop is using dual channel. I am not sure how to interpret the DRAM frequency 1197.1 MHz info though. The RAM is supposed to be 2666 MHz, but Win10 in the Task Manager says 2400 MHz. Now CPU-Z is reporting 1197.1 MHz.

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DDR memory transfers data twice per clock tick. (Hence the "double data rate".)

CPU-Z is reporting the clock rate, so your effective frequency is 2394.2MHz. That's DDR 2400.

The RAM may be capable of DDR 2666, but the nominal memory spec of the i7-8565u is 2400. Going above that would be overclocking, which Dell wouldn't do.
 
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Xe should be better than the UHD graphics. The extra memory module is probably because it's best to run in dual channel mode for better memory bandwidth since built-in graphics shares memory with the system.
 
Xe should be better than the UHD graphics. The extra memory module is probably because it's best to run in dual channel mode for better memory bandwidth since built-in graphics shares memory with the system.
Agreed, but I referred to this as a branding requirement because Intel says, "to use the Intel® Iris® Xe brand, the system must be populated with 128-bit (dual channel) memory. Otherwise, use the Intel® UHD brand" when describing the integrated graphics.

Personally, I'd want dual channel memory on any PC even if it had a discrete GPU.

(Or quad-channel memory on a HEDT platform.)
 
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Yeah, I get that. It's like with the old 'centrino' branding where laptops had to have certain components for the branding since it was something to do with power efficiency, or something (I don't feel like looking it up).

But Xe graphics without dual memory is still Xe graphics, and different/better than UHD. The vendor, Dell in this case, probably can't slap a sticker that says Xe on it if they don't force you into dual channel.

I think we're both saying different parts of the same thing. I don't disagree with your comments. Just making the distinction that the actual graphics technology is different.
 
The 65W charges a little slow while using the laptop, but pretty fast when the laptop is sleeping/hibernating, or turned off (all the power goes into charging the battery). Basically from the manual:

* less than 45W charger: doesn't work (I did test this)
* 45W-65W: able to use laptop, but won't charge battery unless laptop sleeps, hibernates, or off
* 65W-100W: able to charge the battery while using the laptop

From the above, we can perhaps deduce that the laptop consumes 45W while in use. Thus, 65W charger can only provide 20W to the battery while the laptop being used. Given the battery is 80Wh, that would take 4 hours to fully charge an empty battery. If the computer is off, all 65W goes into charging the battery, that would be 80/65 = 1.23 hr. You can do similar approximation for 100W charger.

Of course the nVidia will be capped with limited power. Under Windows, it should stay on the Radeon iGPU to conserve power, only switch to nVidia for demanding tasks.
should have mentioned another feature that I like is battery conservation that by default doesn't charge the battery unless the battery drops below 60%, very handy for people like me who keep the laptop on AC most of the time. That prevents the battery from being subjected to rapid/constant charging/discharging cycles, thus, expanding its lifespan.

The best thing is that feature is exposed under Ubuntu/Linux as well, so I have total control of when to charge or not charge the battery dynamically while plugged in.
 
should have mentioned another feature that I like is battery conservation that by default doesn't charge the battery unless the battery drops below 60%, very handy for people like me who keep the laptop on AC most of the time. That prevents the battery from being subjected to rapid/constant charging/discharging cycles, thus, expanding its lifespan.
Yes, that is a very nice feature. I don't think I have seen that before in other laptops.
The best thing is that feature is exposed under Ubuntu/Linux as well, so I have total control of when to charge or not charge the battery dynamically while plugged in.
 
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