I will believe when I saw mine before the new year eve, would be a nice way to start a new year.
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YouTuber claims All 4,000 B&H Pre-Orders are Going out 12/24
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Gradybaby
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They will begin shipping on the 26th!
shuncheung
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December 24 is a Friday, but while the B&H physical store is close by 1pm, their warehouse can continue to work until 4, 5pm. And the 26th is a Sunday. They can prepare shipments, but FedEx and UPS probably will not actually pick up until Monday.
But I am sure people can wait another day or two. What is the rush? That is why I have not even pre-ordered the Z9.
sirhawkeye64
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But I thought the later models (D5 and D6) used Sony sensors? Either way, I think the other part is probably the case -- they ordered a large lot of sensors once the sensor design was finalized probably. From the development announcement (back in March) I at least concluded that the sensor was likely completed (design) or mostly completed). As to whether it came from Sony or not is probably not really going to matter much. (I guess I do remember seeing an article a while back regarding TowerJazz signing a large contract with a well-known entity in the electronics industry, but the name wasn't disclosed).
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Mackiesback
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Maybe because of the expiration of the Syncrony bank deal, 4000 pre-orders, and the potential for 4000 customer service calls?
Situational transparency?
michaeladawson
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Sure. But that just goes further to the point I have been making. Let's assume something that is not true at all. Let's assume that B&H has 20% of the global market. So at 4000 pre-orders you have a total pre-order count of 20,000. That is far, far less than the numbers that have been bandied about.
If Nikon has been making 5000 cameras (I forget what the reported number was. 3,500? 5000?) then they could have amassed 20,000 camera in 4 months. That would mean they production would had to have started back in August.
The bottom line is that if B&H is truly going to deliver all 4000 pre-orders by the end of the year then either the pre-order numbers that have been bandied about are way too high, or the report of fulfilling all 4000 pre-orders by the end of the year is bogus.
I suppose another scenario is that Nikon is favoring the US and is sending a disproportionate amount of cameras to the US market in relation to the pre-order quantities.
thomas2279f
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Looks like Nikon has a monster hit on its hand.
B&H can't ship Nikon products out of the US. Even If I'm just browsing they make that clear.
The only way they're shipping Nikon products out is if it's already gray market . I assume B&H still does gray?
There have been reports of local dealers in small countries getting what seem like large orders. At least they seem like large orders to me.
The only way they're shipping Nikon products out is if it's already gray market . I assume B&H still does gray?
There have been reports of local dealers in small countries getting what seem like large orders. At least they seem like large orders to me.
shuncheung
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B&H themselves cannot, but once a German friend of mine found a discount on the 24-70mm/f2.8 AF-S from Adorama. He ordered it and had Adorama ship to my address in California. A few months later, he came over to Chicago, and I re-shipped the lens to his hotel. Meanwhile, I got to "inspect" his new lens to make sure it is ok.
B&H does: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/207356-GREY/Nikon_1909_Telephoto_AF_S_Nikkor_300mm.html
That 300mm is specified as "imported," i.e. gray market and is in stock. The Nikon USA version costs the same but is not in stock.
michaeladawson
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That's all true. But it again sidesteps the point. Obviously, Nikon doesn't have 20% of the global market. Let's say they have 25% of the US market (again, unsubstantiated). If the US is 25% of the world market then B&H has 6% of the world market.
If B&H has 4000 cameras to ship in the next week then the worldwide shipments come to around 66,000 cameras. Even if the US is a third of the world market, that's still 50,000 cameras.
This isn't a question of doubting that the Z9 has seen an unprecedented number of pre-orders. They surely have seen a massive number. But there's not a good way to reconcile B&H shipping 4,000 pre-orders in the next week unless the total global pre-order numbers are much lower than all the hype.
PaulBearer
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I've been on DPReview's Nikon forums since 2005. I have seen exactly the same set of posts as we see this year with the z9: Promises, guesses, intuition, WAG's, and nay sayers abounded.
In that almost 17 year period, the common thread has been that Nikon does not give much advance notice to its dealers about the availability and quantity of high end cameras, and at the same time there have been people claiming insiderknowledge, someone who answered the photo of big dealers, and/or "educated guesses." I've yet to see accurate advance notice advanced by dealers of more than a few days.
I started with a D2x, which had moderate delays, but I got mine from a local dealer after a short time [I no longer recall how long, but think it was about a month, and I was late ordering]. Since then, almost always in the first month of delivery starting, I've bought a D3, D300, D800, D810, D850, D4, and quite a few lenses. My experience has been that every camera and every lens was delivered in perfect condition, no failures, and every one performed as promised.
When I used to.have a local dealer [a Calumet branch], as soon as a camera was announced, I'd walk into the store and ask if they had a list started. With one exception, I was first or second on the list, and for that I was number 5. They would eventually get a call from national telling the store manager how many cameras would be allocated to it; they sat in Chicago until the local store confirmed the purchase: The local manager would call me and ask if I was ready - I always was, due to too many credit cards. I'd stop at the store on my way home, give my credit card and in a couple of days Calumet would ship the camera to the store for arrival. The one time I was number 5, only 1 person ahead of me had the money or credit.
Since Calumet closed down, I've used B&H. Always the same routine as we see here. The one thing I learned is to watch the forums for real information about when the store would open for customers: Get up early, dial repeatedly to get through, and place the order. No other plan ever seemed to help anyone get accurate info. One time, I forgot to set an alarm and didn't place my order until the afternoon - that time, I had months of waiting - I think it was for the D850.
Never have NPS members gotten all the cameras shipped the first day - there have always been something going to the rest of us. That's why I set my watch to vibrate 15 minutes before 8:00 a.m. so I could be ready. I
f I get a camera soon, I'll post the info so that a database can build about how early you have to order to get a hot ticket item.
In that almost 17 year period, the common thread has been that Nikon does not give much advance notice to its dealers about the availability and quantity of high end cameras, and at the same time there have been people claiming insiderknowledge, someone who answered the photo of big dealers, and/or "educated guesses." I've yet to see accurate advance notice advanced by dealers of more than a few days.
I started with a D2x, which had moderate delays, but I got mine from a local dealer after a short time [I no longer recall how long, but think it was about a month, and I was late ordering]. Since then, almost always in the first month of delivery starting, I've bought a D3, D300, D800, D810, D850, D4, and quite a few lenses. My experience has been that every camera and every lens was delivered in perfect condition, no failures, and every one performed as promised.
When I used to.have a local dealer [a Calumet branch], as soon as a camera was announced, I'd walk into the store and ask if they had a list started. With one exception, I was first or second on the list, and for that I was number 5. They would eventually get a call from national telling the store manager how many cameras would be allocated to it; they sat in Chicago until the local store confirmed the purchase: The local manager would call me and ask if I was ready - I always was, due to too many credit cards. I'd stop at the store on my way home, give my credit card and in a couple of days Calumet would ship the camera to the store for arrival. The one time I was number 5, only 1 person ahead of me had the money or credit.
Since Calumet closed down, I've used B&H. Always the same routine as we see here. The one thing I learned is to watch the forums for real information about when the store would open for customers: Get up early, dial repeatedly to get through, and place the order. No other plan ever seemed to help anyone get accurate info. One time, I forgot to set an alarm and didn't place my order until the afternoon - that time, I had months of waiting - I think it was for the D850.
Never have NPS members gotten all the cameras shipped the first day - there have always been something going to the rest of us. That's why I set my watch to vibrate 15 minutes before 8:00 a.m. so I could be ready. I
f I get a camera soon, I'll post the info so that a database can build about how early you have to order to get a hot ticket item.
Mackiesback
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Maybe. Hard to say really.
I don't doubt that B&H can ship 4000 cameras in a week, and I don't doubt that Nikon could ship 4000 cameras to them in one shipment. Whether that will happen or not is speculative. The truth is out there somewhere.
The take away that I am feeling is that B&H wouldn't be telling their CS team to tell all these people this if they didn't feel they could deliver before the PayBoo is cut off, and there really is no reason for B&H to tell people how many pre-orders there are in the first place. So, for the moment, I choose to believe them. If they are trolling people, the blowback would be immense and very long pasting.
Mattitude V1
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Mackiesback
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Hey, in this thread we have speculation on the size of the box, and the size of the box truck it would deliver in, so it is DPR at its finest...LOL! Unfortunately, this thread will hit its max before the cameras start delivering so we will have to start a new thread for the "I told ya so's"
The hype was that they had 40K preorders. 50K doesn't sound like a lowering of the preorder hype.
The numbers seem to be that China is the largest market followed by the US.
But like I said earlier. If a shop in Sweden supposedly received 25 Z9 in their initial order that sounds like a lot to me. Sweden isn't much bigger than NYC with likely less pro shooters.
Scale NYC to the US population and you get a 40x number. 8 million (I think ) for NYC versus 320million total? 4K to B&H doesn't sound that outlandish.
PaulBearer
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It makes no sense for Nikon to delay shipping thousands of cameras so they can dump a large mass at one time.
Nikon, had it sufficient inventory, would have started shipping to NPS members months ago, if they had them. And, there is no evidence it has the capacity to build 10's of thousands of z9's a month. Remember, Nikon MUST continue to build lower end bodies to satisfy consumer need before Christmas.
If, as suggested by an earlier rumor, Nikon can build 3500 per month, waiting more than 2 months would have been a terrible decision for it's bottom line. That would be especially concerning to Nikon to be able to get them out the door before the Olympics in February so professionals covering the games can learn the camera and be prepared to shoot a lot of great images.
Nikon, had it sufficient inventory, would have started shipping to NPS members months ago, if they had them. And, there is no evidence it has the capacity to build 10's of thousands of z9's a month. Remember, Nikon MUST continue to build lower end bodies to satisfy consumer need before Christmas.
If, as suggested by an earlier rumor, Nikon can build 3500 per month, waiting more than 2 months would have been a terrible decision for it's bottom line. That would be especially concerning to Nikon to be able to get them out the door before the Olympics in February so professionals covering the games can learn the camera and be prepared to shoot a lot of great images.
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Two things.
If it is true, then BH has some serious pull with Nikon
Alternatively, Nikon has been very busy and has cranked out Z9's faster than anyone has/had anticipated.
It's one or the other.
If it is true, then BH has some serious pull with Nikon
Alternatively, Nikon has been very busy and has cranked out Z9's faster than anyone has/had anticipated.
It's one or the other.
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ProDude
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It could well be BOTH
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