DXO deep prime processing times

[strawbale]

Over at the Dxo forum they created a spreadsheet with deepprime processing times and the used hardware. Check it out here. Everybody can contribute to it too.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Yx-3n_8D3OreyVwQLA-RVqiQCAgNdXDkxScpXTur1Gs/edit#gid=0

Thanks. I have been struggling to understand the implications of that spreadsheet. The DXO guy (Lucas ) says in another forum that the basic 8 Mp mac M1 7 GPU is the most effective cost performance, but I am not sure which line demonstrates this. Can you help me understand it?

The Macmini M1 could be my answer if I get the config right (on the other hand, if a Macbook M1 is equally good, it would kill two birds with one stone and I could use it as desktop with external monitor and take it when I am traveling )

Regarding the M1 I think there is a difference between using PL5 and PL4.

"PhotoLab 5 just got three times faster on M1. Kudos to DxO." (https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65633846)

I dont have an Apple M1 but from what I see it there is a difference between using PL5 with the Neural Engine included in the processing or not. As an example the Apple M1 7C* is in the list twice, once with ANE used once without.

Anyway the M1 is still pretty fast even when using only PL4. Compared against an Intel/Amd CPU WITHOUT a dedicated GPU its a better solution for DeepPrime.

see also: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/65633838

 

[JulesGo]

It takes my new PC 12 seconds to process a 20mb E-M1 Mk III file.

Ryzen 7 3700X
32 GM RAM
GTX 1070

I built this new PC last June because my old PC was taking 2m 43s to process a DXO Deep Prime 20MB photo.

 

[Trevor Carpenter]

I have an AMD Ryzen 5 3060 with Nvidia GeForce RTX3060

10 seconds for each picture. Every shot I take is processed with DXO PureRaw prime regardless of ISO and every shot benefits from its use.

 

[Interceptor121]

Over at the Dxo forum they created a spreadsheet with deepprime processing times and the used hardware. Check it out here. Everybody can contribute to it too.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Yx-3n_8D3OreyVwQLA-RVqiQCAgNdXDkxScpXTur1Gs/edit#gid=0

Thanks for the link I have completed the test on PL4 and PL5. On my system the difference is minimal and PL4 on normal debayer is faster than PL5

However the fuji file is 1 second faster on PL5

 

[Interceptor121]

Just did an export of a G9 RAW file

Dng 8 seconds

jpeg 9 seconds

tiff 10 seconds

The image had adjustments not just noise reduction

Vega 64 8 GB VRAM Mac Mini 2018 3.2 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i7 32 GB RAM

DxO noise reduction is not a game changer it applies to all formats not jut MFT.

SNR improvement looks 1 even 2 stops at times if the image was correctly exposed

I did it again with system idle and performance improved 2 seconds

all in all PL5 has no benefit over PL4 on my platform

 

[Jim Vincent]

Just did a quick check and my MacBook Air M1 with PhotoLab 5 processes an ORF with edits and DeepPrime noise reduction in 12 seconds from pressing the Export button to processing completed.

 

[Jim Vincent]

Yes - PL5 uses M1 native code.

 

[Interceptor121]

Yes - PL5 uses M1 native code.

Apparently it doesn’t have to do with native code it still runs in emulation but uses the neural engine not the GPU

with the core plus GPU is very slow with the NE is very fast

good to know for when I will upgrade my mini however 16GB is too little for video processing

 

[Lichtspiel]

I use DxO 4 with DeepPrime always on. Recently I was traveling and only had my laptop, which is an older Lenovo with an i5 and integrated graphics.

Processing each image took around 15 min. Working in DxO was also extremely sluggish and prone to crashes. Switching to local improvements would take several seconds for the image to refresh. Only having 8GB of RAM did prolly not help.

My home comp is a selfmade one with a Ryzen 3700 and a mid-level graphics card (1650 Super) and I have not recently checked how fast it goes but I think processing an image is in the seconds range. I have set DxO to auto-decide whether to use the CPU or GPU.

 

[Sasquatch Shots]

Isn't anyone else annoyed that DXO 4 is only a year old and now it is replaced by DXO photolab 5? So on this schedule we will be paying of dollars a year to stay current. I bought this software because of deep prime but also because I didn't want to pay subscription fees. This is actually more expensive per year to use. Why isn't this just an update to the current software. Imo they are going to price themselves out of the market. The software if you're using photolab (not just the plugin) is half baked as is. If you want to split tone then you also need to buy Filmpack 6?? Really!!

 

[Lichtspiel]

Your little rant is totally off-topic, but have you considered that

1) They need to make money to stay in business, giveaways and free upgrades don't help covering their cost to exist and develop.

2) Nobody forces you to buy the latest version. If you want to stay current (whatever that means), then yeah, you'll have to pay for it. But it is not like they're shutting down PL4.

No, I don't work for them, just don't agree with your premise that what they do is worse than the subscription crap others are pulling.

 

[Interceptor121]

Isn't anyone else annoyed that DXO 4 is only a year old and now it is replaced by DXO photolab 5? So on this schedule we will be paying of dollars a year to stay current. I bought this software because of deep prime but also because I didn't want to pay subscription fees. This is actually more expensive per year to use. Why isn't this just an update to the current software. Imo they are going to price themselves out of the market. The software if you're using photolab (not just the plugin) is half baked as is. If you want to split tone then you also need to buy Filmpack 6?? Really!!

Split tone was in filmpack 5 however if you go on PL5 that no longer works

i have been considering if I should just get pureraw

However this is not a good option if you want to use Lightroom or photoshop as the dng is not a real dng

 

[CarlosU]

seems to be using the graphics card graphics card mostly.

with an nvidia 1080 TI - it took 28s

(cpu threadripper 3960x, (24 core) 64ram)

(with topaz denoise it takes about 10-12 s, depending on file)

 

[Canasonic]

Processing G9 Images in PhotoLab 4 with DeepPRIME takes about 15 seconds per photo on my 2021 Zephyrus G15 with Ryzen 5900HS and the 3070, time goes up to around 30 seconds the iGPU (Vega 8) and CPU on Silent mode. My mini PC with Ryzen 2400G and Vega 11 also takes about 30 seconds. I have not tried it with my Ryzen 5950X and RX590 GPU because this is a VM server but I imagine it would also be around 15 seconds per image. This is writing to an SD card or my NAS via WiFi. Writing straight to NVMe is even faster.

TLDR; Upgrade to a cheap Ryzen 5000 series APU like a 5600G and there is no real need to get an external GPU. Even a cheap Ryzen 2400G system from ~2018 is very a capable despite the older Zen+ CPU and Vega 11 iGPU. 30 seconds is pretty fast while processing one photo and editing the next. Going up to ~2000 dollar PCs or laptops only cuts the processing time by 10 to 20 seconds a photo.

 

[Canasonic]

Isn't anyone else annoyed that DXO 4 is only a year old and now it is replaced by DXO photolab 5? So on this schedule we will be paying of dollars a year to stay current. I bought this software because of deep prime but also because I didn't want to pay subscription fees. This is actually more expensive per year to use. Why isn't this just an update to the current software. Imo they are going to price themselves out of the market. The software if you're using photolab (not just the plugin) is half baked as is. If you want to split tone then you also need to buy Filmpack 6?? Really!!

I actually have also been annoyed by this. I upgraded twice in 2021 already. I had DxO Optics Pro and went to PL3, then PL4 came out and grabbed it for the DeepPRIME NR. Now 7 months later PL5 comes out. I can understand that folks need to make money but I think at least a year of updates should be standard. If a person buys one version in lets say June, they should get all updates including new versions within a year or so. Getting hit 3 times in a year is probably more than most, but I'd imagine at this rate they'd be getting 2 paid upgrades a year and that seems a bit greedy.

 

[Gnine]

Isn't anyone else annoyed that DXO 4 is only a year old and now it is replaced by DXO photolab 5? So on this schedule we will be paying of dollars a year to stay current. I bought this software because of deep prime but also because I didn't want to pay subscription fees. This is actually more expensive per year to use. Why isn't this just an update to the current software. Imo they are going to price themselves out of the market. The software if you're using photolab (not just the plugin) is half baked as is. If you want to split tone then you also need to buy Filmpack 6?? Really!!

I actually have also been annoyed by this. I upgraded twice in 2021 already. I had DxO Optics Pro and went to PL3, then PL4 came out and grabbed it for the DeepPRIME NR. Now 7 months later PL5 comes out. I can understand that folks need to make money but I think at least a year of updates should be standard. If a person buys one version in lets say June, they should get all updates including new versions within a year or so. Getting hit 3 times in a year is probably more than most, but I'd imagine at this rate they'd be getting 2 paid upgrades a year and that seems a bit greedy.

Who is forcing you to upgrade? There's legal channels available to deal with blackmail.

 

[Jacques Cornell]

I have been trying to understand the advantages of different graphics processors when running Deep Prime. I readily admit to only a bit of knowledge, which gets me very confused when comparing benchmarks etc. I wonder whether members of this forum could share some actual processing times to clarify?

I find that Deep Prime is truly a game changer when it comes to M4/3 (and smaller) sensor IQ . Having a processing time which makes it practical to use as a matter of course would be a great advantage for me. Currently, with both my desktop and laptop PCs being limited to integrated graphics means that image processing for an uncropped M4/3 image takes between 2min 30 and 3min depending on machine. Processing more than a few images from a shoot therefore becomes tedious.

My $999 entry-level M1 MacBook Air processes 42MP a7RIII RAWs with DeepPRIME and lots of other adjustments applied in 10 seconds each with PhotoLab 5 Elite. 20MP M4/3 RAWs take under 5 seconds.

I would happily upgrade my desktop PC or Mac if I knew there would be substantial benefits. (As an alternative to spending more on faster, bigger, lenses) Adding an eGPU to my existing desktop would not make be economic sense.

Hence my hope that the forum could help with actual figures. It appears that a Mac Mini M1

I have one of those, too. Similar results.

could be a very cost effective solution for a desktop so real experience with that would be very useful. I typically carry a lightweight laptop when I travel (Lenovo X1 Carbon or old Macbook pro) so a lightweight laptop suggestion would also be great

See above.

(gaming laptops generally seem very big/heavy) Is an M1 Macbook a solution? (Not the new Macbook pro, that is out of reach)

Of course there is the added complication of PL5 upgrade, but from what I read it does not have much benefit for my use.

PL5 is three times faster at processing DeepPRIME than PL4 on an M1 Mac. Huge benefit, and the upgrade costs just $80.

Help would be much appreciated

thanks

tom

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[Raist3d]

You don’t have to upgrade if 4 works for you nobody is forcing you to buy 5

 

[Jacques Cornell]

Isn't anyone else annoyed that DXO 4 is only a year old and now it is replaced by DXO photolab 5?

A 3x speed increase on my M1 mini and MBA? For $80? Heck no, I'm not annoyed, I'm ecstatic! I batch hundreds of images at a time, and this makes the difference between overnight and over dinner. For high-volume high-ISO event shooters, this is the deal of the century.

If you don't need the speed, or you're not on an M1 Mac, just keep using PL4.

So on this schedule we will be paying of dollars a year to stay current. I bought this software because of deep prime but also because I didn't want to pay subscription fees. This is actually more expensive per year to use. Why isn't this just an update to the current software. Imo they are going to price themselves out of the market. The software if you're using photolab (not just the plugin) is half baked as is. If you want to split tone then you also need to buy Filmpack 6?? Really!!

 

[ColdEd]

20 MP Lumix G9 RAW photo.

Selected Deep Prime

Exported to JPEG file on disk:15 seconds.

Export to TIF: 10 seconds

Intel i7-9700K, GEForce 1660 Ti