Blurring due to IBIS when using Mechanical Shutter problem confirmed by Canon

[Jx9]

At around 14:10, he mentions a vertical blurring at about 1/100th even with firmware 1.1.1. Canon has confirmed the problem and it'll be fixed in a future firmware. Well, well, well...

 

[RH McCaslan]

At around 14:10, he mentions a vertical blurring at about 1/100th even with firmware 1.1.1. Canon has confirmed the problem and it'll be fixed in a future firmware. Well, well, well...

Hmm. Perhaps this explains why many of my shots are slightly blurry. For awhile, I thought it was just me... If easily fixed via firmware, that would be a very positive development indeed.

 

[David Hull]

At around 14:10, he mentions a vertical blurring at about 1/100th even with firmware 1.1.1. Canon has confirmed the problem and it'll be fixed in a future firmware. Well, well, well...

Hmm. Perhaps this explains why many of my shots are slightly blurry. For awhile, I thought it was just me... If easily fixed via firmware, that would be a very positive development indeed.

Looks like you could check it yourself by switching shutter modes.

 

[RH McCaslan]

At around 14:10, he mentions a vertical blurring at about 1/100th even with firmware 1.1.1. Canon has confirmed the problem and it'll be fixed in a future firmware. Well, well, well...

Hmm. Perhaps this explains why many of my shots are slightly blurry. For awhile, I thought it was just me... If easily fixed via firmware, that would be a very positive development indeed.

Looks like you could check it yourself by switching shutter modes.

Yes, my next time out, I plan to turn IS on the lens to "off" which, if my understanding is correct, also disables IBIS.

 

[Chris_Chapterten]

At around 14:10, he mentions a vertical blurring at about 1/100th even with firmware 1.1.1. Canon has confirmed the problem and it'll be fixed in a future firmware. Well, well, well...

I also noticed this problem and reported it to Canon Australia. Would be great if it was fixed soon!

 

[Chris Giles]

There I was thinking it was the juddering in the EVF they've noticed.

Great to know they are on things like this regardless. I expect there will be a few updates to the IBIS system as it's so new.

 

[koenkooi]

At around 14:10, he mentions a vertical blurring at about 1/100th even with firmware 1.1.1. Canon has confirmed the problem and it'll be fixed in a future firmware. Well, well, well...

Hmm. Perhaps this explains why many of my shots are slightly blurry. For awhile, I thought it was just me... If easily fixed via firmware, that would be a very positive development indeed.

Looks like you could check it yourself by switching shutter modes.

And if you check, go above as well as below 1/100s to see if it's shuttershock or just shutter shock combined with shaky hands.

 

[Marco Nero]

At around 14:10, he mentions a vertical blurring at about 1/100th even with firmware 1.1.1. Canon has confirmed the problem and it'll be fixed in a future firmware. Well, well, well...

Confirmed by me also ... with the EOS R6. Out of thousands of pictures, I took a set during daylight landscape photography two days ago and I noticed that just one image exhibited slight vertical blur. It's very subtle but it affected the detail in the image. It was the only shot I've taken at 1/100 sec using Mechanical Shutter. All the shots taken on either side of that image were taken at 1/125 or 1/200 or even 1/250 and none exhibited anything similar. They were all just fine. But that one image, when viewed at 100%, exhibited very slight vertical blur and it was quite subtle.
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In Australia, Canon ships the R6 cameras with Electronic 1st-Curtain shutter as the default setting. I reset mine to Mechanical Shutter before using it for the first time because they say that Bokeh is slightly better with MS rather than ES. The day before yesterday was the first time I've changed the shutter to Electronic 1st-Curtain specifically to ensure shutter shock (which can be a problem with IBIS in other cameras) was not a risk to me. I just saw this thread and thought I'd chime in.

 

[Guus54]

finely a sound. never been so confused about a camera as the R5 blur and unsharpness. tested since the end of July

 

[RyanBoston]

I had vibration issues with R6 for two days. Mine did it at most shutter speeds and was not every pic. The next day, firmware 1.1.1 came out and it fixed it.

I only shoot on mechanical shutter. I’ve taken over a 1000 pics already and pics are sharp.

I’ll test out shots only at 1/100 to see.



What’s weird is 1.1.1 fixed my IBIS issue and now some of you are having the issue on 1.1.1. Maybe try downloading it again. I did my RF lenses too.

 

[Dj R]

I, too, don’t feel as if it’s as simple as canon is stating.

I feel that something is odd with the two bodies. At all SS. Some images are not as sharp as they should be.

I am coming from Nikon and Sony mirrorless, where the sensor and IBIS performed flawlessly, and IBIS didn’t interfere. Images were amazingly sharp, when pixel peeping. With these two canons- something is not right.... the EOS R didn’t have this issue

I prefer the Canon glass. I hope they can get this dialed in.

 

[Chris_Chapterten]

At around 14:10, he mentions a vertical blurring at about 1/100th even with firmware 1.1.1. Canon has confirmed the problem and it'll be fixed in a future firmware. Well, well, well...

Confirmed by me also ... with the EOS R6. Out of thousands of pictures, I took a set during daylight landscape photography two days ago and I noticed that just one image exhibited slight vertical blur. It's very subtle but it affected the detail in the image. It was the only shot I've taken at 1/100 sec using Mechanical Shutter. All the shots taken on either side of that image were taken at 1/125 or 1/200 or even 1/250 and none exhibited anything similar. They were all just fine. But that one image, when viewed at 100%, exhibited very slight vertical blur and it was quite subtle.
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In Australia, Canon ships the R6 cameras with Electronic 1st-Curtain shutter as the default setting. I reset mine to Mechanical Shutter before using it for the first time because they say that Bokeh is slightly better with MS rather than ES. The day before yesterday was the first time I've changed the shutter to Electronic 1st-Curtain specifically to ensure shutter shock (which can be a problem with IBIS in other cameras) was not a risk to me. I just saw this thread and thought I'd chime in.

 

[Chris_Chapterten]

I, too, don’t feel as if it’s as simple as canon is stating.

I feel that something is odd with the two bodies. At all SS. Some images are not as sharp as they should be.

I am coming from Nikon and Sony mirrorless, where the sensor and IBIS performed flawlessly, and IBIS didn’t interfere. Images were amazingly sharp, when pixel peeping. With these two canons- something is not right.... the EOS R didn’t have this issue

I prefer the Canon glass. I hope they can get this dialed in.

Do you have both the R5 amd the R6? Very curious as to what lenses you were using and at what shutter speeds to notice the unsharp images? On my R5 images have been very sharp except for when using mechanical shutter in the 'problem zone' of shutter speeds

 

[Chris Jacobs]

I, too, don’t feel as if it’s as simple as canon is stating.

I feel that something is odd with the two bodies. At all SS. Some images are not as sharp as they should be.

I am coming from Nikon and Sony mirrorless, where the sensor and IBIS performed flawlessly, and IBIS didn’t interfere. Images were amazingly sharp, when pixel peeping. With these two canons- something is not right.... the EOS R didn’t have this issue

I prefer the Canon glass. I hope they can get this dialed in.

Do you have both the R5 amd the R6? Very curious as to what lenses you were using and at what shutter speeds to notice the unsharp images? On my R5 images have been very sharp except for when using mechanical shutter in the 'problem zone' of shutter speeds

I've been having issues while in Mode 2 panning with the new RF100-500. My EF 100-400 ii doesn't have the same issues on the R5 v1.1.1

This is in any shutter mode with continuous shooting

 

[RyanBoston]

I, too, don’t feel as if it’s as simple as canon is stating.

I feel that something is odd with the two bodies. At all SS. Some images are not as sharp as they should be.

I am coming from Nikon and Sony mirrorless, where the sensor and IBIS performed flawlessly, and IBIS didn’t interfere. Images were amazingly sharp, when pixel peeping. With these two canons- something is not right.... the EOS R didn’t have this issue

I prefer the Canon glass. I hope they can get this dialed in.

Do you have both the R5 amd the R6? Very curious as to what lenses you were using and at what shutter speeds to notice the unsharp images? On my R5 images have been very sharp except for when using mechanical shutter in the 'problem zone' of shutter speeds

I've been having issues while in Mode 2 panning with the new RF100-500. My EF 100-400 ii doesn't have the same issues on the R5 v1.1.1

This is in any shutter mode with continuous shooting

Try doing a firmware update to your lens, even if it’s the same version. Just curious.

 

[Chris Jacobs]

Try doing a firmware update to your lens, even if it’s the same version. Just curious.

Is it even possible? I thought it says no update available. Or firmware up to date already.

Update: Lens firmware isn't available on Canon USA since there aren't any updates for it yet

 

[gium]

At around 14:10, he mentions a vertical blurring at about 1/100th even with firmware 1.1.1. Canon has confirmed the problem and it'll be fixed in a future firmware. Well, well, well...

Confirmed by me also ... with the EOS R6. Out of thousands of pictures, I took a set during daylight landscape photography two days ago and I noticed that just one image exhibited slight vertical blur. It's very subtle but it affected the detail in the image. It was the only shot I've taken at 1/100 sec using Mechanical Shutter. All the shots taken on either side of that image were taken at 1/125 or 1/200 or even 1/250 and none exhibited anything similar. They were all just fine. But that one image, when viewed at 100%, exhibited very slight vertical blur and it was quite subtle.
.
In Australia, Canon ships the R6 cameras with Electronic 1st-Curtain shutter as the default setting. I reset mine to Mechanical Shutter before using it for the first time because they say that Bokeh is slightly better with MS rather than ES. The day before yesterday was the first time I've changed the shutter to Electronic 1st-Curtain specifically to ensure shutter shock (which can be a problem with IBIS in other cameras) was not a risk to me. I just saw this thread and thought I'd chime in.

In this thread https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4519203

someone reached out to Christopher and he said "it was with fully mechanical shutter between about 1/80 and 1/160 on the tripod with IS off."

Haven't seen a new firmware update so far that fixes this.

 

[highdesertmesa]

At around 14:10, he mentions a vertical blurring at about 1/100th even with firmware 1.1.1. Canon has confirmed the problem and it'll be fixed in a future firmware. Well, well, well...

Confirmed by me also ... with the EOS R6. Out of thousands of pictures, I took a set during daylight landscape photography two days ago and I noticed that just one image exhibited slight vertical blur. It's very subtle but it affected the detail in the image. It was the only shot I've taken at 1/100 sec using Mechanical Shutter. All the shots taken on either side of that image were taken at 1/125 or 1/200 or even 1/250 and none exhibited anything similar. They were all just fine. But that one image, when viewed at 100%, exhibited very slight vertical blur and it was quite subtle.
.
In Australia, Canon ships the R6 cameras with Electronic 1st-Curtain shutter as the default setting. I reset mine to Mechanical Shutter before using it for the first time because they say that Bokeh is slightly better with MS rather than ES. The day before yesterday was the first time I've changed the shutter to Electronic 1st-Curtain specifically to ensure shutter shock (which can be a problem with IBIS in other cameras) was not a risk to me. I just saw this thread and thought I'd chime in.

That's interesting to hear. The blurring on my R5 with mechanical shutter was very noticeable at 1/125 but was completely gone at 1/50 and 1/250

Compared to what, though? There are no R6 or R5 without IBIS to compare them with. Even if you turn IBIS off, it could still be affected since it's being held in place by the same mechanism that freezes it for exposures when it's on.

I'm used to the 1:1 sharpness of non-AA cameras like the GFX 50S/R and 5DsR, and the R5 RAW samples I've downloaded just don't have the same clarity at 1:1, IMO. I think it's a combination of IBIS issues + AA filter + the baked-in noise reduction from 100–640 ISO.

I think it's also a mistake that Canon doesn't offer the option to turn off IBIS and still leave the lens IS functional.

 

[thunder storm]

I think it's also a mistake that Canon doesn't offer the option to turn off IBIS and still leave the lens IS functional.

Canon really needs to bring out firmware updates to solve that.

 

[Chris Giles]

I think it's also a mistake that Canon doesn't offer the option to turn off IBIS and still leave the lens IS functional.

Canon really needs to bring out firmware updates to solve that.

Gets my vote too. I don't need 8 stops of IS