DPReview R6 review: "Olympus is still the king"

[bluevellet]

A bit tongue and cheek as a topic, but in both video and stills, Jordan and Chris Canon finds the R6 has very good IBIS, surpassing most other manufacturers, except for one. Chris openly wonders if the R5, with its higher resolution still and video, will fare worse.

Rest easy, Olympus faithfulls, the king has not been dethroned,

Good job all around though, Canon.

 

[Raist3d]

Olympus not selling as well.

And if Canon did a pretty good job with IBIS, that surely means they can close the gap in many situations since they can afford to shoot higher ISO at a higher level of quality.

Still waiting, once again, he FF trolls that keep bringing those FF format cameras into the m43rds forum

 

[bluevellet]

Olympus not selling as well.

And if Canon did a pretty good job with IBIS, that surely means they can close the gap in many situations since they can afford to shoot higher ISO at a higher level of quality.

Still waiting, once again, he FF trolls that keep bringing those FF format cameras into the m43rds forum

This is a bragging rights thread!

 

[Raist3d]

Olympus not selling as well.

And if Canon did a pretty good job with IBIS, that surely means they can close the gap in many situations since they can afford to shoot higher ISO at a higher level of quality.

Still waiting, once again, he FF trolls that keep bringing those FF format cameras into the m43rds forum

This is a bragging rights thread!

but I guess at least we can lift the suicide watch on the forum

 

[acfo]

A bit tongue and cheek as a topic, but in both video and stills, Jordan and Chris Canon finds the R6 has very good IBIS, surpassing most other manufacturers, except for one. Chris openly wonders if the R5, with its higher resolution still and video, will fare worse.

Rest easy, Olympus faithfulls, the king has not been dethroned,

Good job all around though, Canon.

Wow. I didn't realize Canon also made mft cameras. Good Job!

However I do have one small complaint: It's time for a new sensor in the top price range bodies. Even the entry level em10.4 has the 20mp sensor, that has been with us for a couple of years now.

 

[bluevellet]

Olympus not selling as well.

And if Canon did a pretty good job with IBIS, that surely means they can close the gap in many situations since they can afford to shoot higher ISO at a higher level of quality.

Still waiting, once again, he FF trolls that keep bringing those FF format cameras into the m43rds forum

This is a bragging rights thread!

but I guess at least we can lift the suicide watch on the forum

And not letting hype and marketing hyperboles from other manufacturers obscure the facts!

 

[Raist3d]

Olympus not selling as well.

And if Canon did a pretty good job with IBIS, that surely means they can close the gap in many situations since they can afford to shoot higher ISO at a higher level of quality.

Still waiting, once again, he FF trolls that keep bringing those FF format cameras into the m43rds forum

This is a bragging rights thread!

but I guess at least we can lift the suicide watch on the forum

And not letting hype and marketing hyperboles from other manufacturers obscure the facts!

Sure, if we are talking about the facts, then we know that Canon has the leeway to afford to shoot 1.5-2 stops faster thanks to better ISO. Also we know on facts that her operational envelope for them having IBIS still expands considerably because you start hitting diminishing returns, while you still get the benefits of he higher quality of a FF sensor, along with better AF.

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Raist3d/Ricardo (Photographer, software dev.)- I photograph black cats in coal mines at night...
“The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.” - George Orwell

 

[bluevellet]

Olympus not selling as well.

And if Canon did a pretty good job with IBIS, that surely means they can close the gap in many situations since they can afford to shoot higher ISO at a higher level of quality.

Still waiting, once again, he FF trolls that keep bringing those FF format cameras into the m43rds forum

This is a bragging rights thread!

but I guess at least we can lift the suicide watch on the forum

And not letting hype and marketing hyperboles from other manufacturers obscure the facts!

Sure, if we are talking about the facts, then we know that Canon has the leeway to afford to shoot 1.5-2 stops faster thanks to better ISO. Also we know on facts that her operational envelope for them having IBIS still expands considerably because you start hitting diminishing returns, while you still get the benefits of he higher quality of a FF sensor, along with better AF.

This applies to stills, yes. With some limitations too, like long exposures as you would actually want the long exposures and not simply the correct exposure (via long exposure, higher ISO, faster aperture).


But for video, the more limited IBIS means you wouldn't push this camera as much as you would with an Olympus. So more likely to stand still rather than walking/running around with it. This is what happens in the DPR review, BTW.

 

[Raist3d]

Olympus not selling as well.

And if Canon did a pretty good job with IBIS, that surely means they can close the gap in many situations since they can afford to shoot higher ISO at a higher level of quality.

Still waiting, once again, he FF trolls that keep bringing those FF format cameras into the m43rds forum

This is a bragging rights thread!

but I guess at least we can lift the suicide watch on the forum

And not letting hype and marketing hyperboles from other manufacturers obscure the facts!

Sure, if we are talking about the facts, then we know that Canon has the leeway to afford to shoot 1.5-2 stops faster thanks to better ISO. Also we know on facts that her operational envelope for them having IBIS still expands considerably because you start hitting diminishing returns, while you still get the benefits of he higher quality of a FF sensor, along with better AF.

This applies to stills, yes. With some limitations too, like long exposures as you would actually want the long exposures and not simply the correct exposure (via long exposure, higher ISO, faster aperture).

But for video, the more limited IBIS means you wouldn't push this camera as much as you would with an Olympus.

The review still spot quite positively and you get the great dual pixel AF Canon is at this point known for video.

So more likely to stand still rather than walking/running around with it. This is what happens in the DPR review, BTW.

What happens in the DPR review is still pretty good as they mentioned. And if you care about video a lot, you get the Better higher quality video and AF. AF is pretty important.

 

[bluevellet]

Olympus not selling as well.

And if Canon did a pretty good job with IBIS, that surely means they can close the gap in many situations since they can afford to shoot higher ISO at a higher level of quality.

Still waiting, once again, he FF trolls that keep bringing those FF format cameras into the m43rds forum

This is a bragging rights thread!

but I guess at least we can lift the suicide watch on the forum

And not letting hype and marketing hyperboles from other manufacturers obscure the facts!

Sure, if we are talking about the facts, then we know that Canon has the leeway to afford to shoot 1.5-2 stops faster thanks to better ISO. Also we know on facts that her operational envelope for them having IBIS still expands considerably because you start hitting diminishing returns, while you still get the benefits of he higher quality of a FF sensor, along with better AF.

This applies to stills, yes. With some limitations too, like long exposures as you would actually want the long exposures and not simply the correct exposure (via long exposure, higher ISO, faster aperture).

But for video, the more limited IBIS means you wouldn't push this camera as much as you would with an Olympus.

The review still spot quite positively and you get the great dual pixel AF Canon is at this point known for video.

So more likely to stand still rather than walking/running around with it. This is what happens in the DPR review, BTW.

What happens in the DPR review is still pretty good as they mentioned. And if you care about video a lot, you get the Better higher quality video and AF. AF is pretty important.

What is this argument about again?



No one said Canon IBIS was bad. I didn't. DPR didn't. All laid out in the OP.



So yes, Canon IBIS is good. Better than most. Just not as good as the very best.

 

[Raist3d]

Olympus not selling as well.

And if Canon did a pretty good job with IBIS, that surely means they can close the gap in many situations since they can afford to shoot higher ISO at a higher level of quality.

Still waiting, once again, he FF trolls that keep bringing those FF format cameras into the m43rds forum

This is a bragging rights thread!

but I guess at least we can lift the suicide watch on the forum

And not letting hype and marketing hyperboles from other manufacturers obscure the facts!

Sure, if we are talking about the facts, then we know that Canon has the leeway to afford to shoot 1.5-2 stops faster thanks to better ISO. Also we know on facts that her operational envelope for them having IBIS still expands considerably because you start hitting diminishing returns, while you still get the benefits of he higher quality of a FF sensor, along with better AF.

This applies to stills, yes. With some limitations too, like long exposures as you would actually want the long exposures and not simply the correct exposure (via long exposure, higher ISO, faster aperture).

But for video, the more limited IBIS means you wouldn't push this camera as much as you would with an Olympus.

The review still spot quite positively and you get the great dual pixel AF Canon is at this point known for video.

So more likely to stand still rather than walking/running around with it. This is what happens in the DPR review, BTW.

What happens in the DPR review is still pretty good as they mentioned. And if you care about video a lot, you get the Better higher quality video and AF. AF is pretty important.

What is this argument about again?

No one said Canon IBIS was bad. I didn't. DPR didn't. All laid out in the OP.

So yes, Canon IBIS is good. Better than most. Just not as good as the very best.

It’s about the m43 insecurity complex

as it has become customary, still waiting for the FF hordes of trolls coming in to draw threads of comparisons

 

[bluevellet]

Olympus not selling as well.

And if Canon did a pretty good job with IBIS, that surely means they can close the gap in many situations since they can afford to shoot higher ISO at a higher level of quality.

Still waiting, once again, he FF trolls that keep bringing those FF format cameras into the m43rds forum

This is a bragging rights thread!

but I guess at least we can lift the suicide watch on the forum

And not letting hype and marketing hyperboles from other manufacturers obscure the facts!

Sure, if we are talking about the facts, then we know that Canon has the leeway to afford to shoot 1.5-2 stops faster thanks to better ISO. Also we know on facts that her operational envelope for them having IBIS still expands considerably because you start hitting diminishing returns, while you still get the benefits of he higher quality of a FF sensor, along with better AF.

This applies to stills, yes. With some limitations too, like long exposures as you would actually want the long exposures and not simply the correct exposure (via long exposure, higher ISO, faster aperture).

But for video, the more limited IBIS means you wouldn't push this camera as much as you would with an Olympus.

The review still spot quite positively and you get the great dual pixel AF Canon is at this point known for video.

So more likely to stand still rather than walking/running around with it. This is what happens in the DPR review, BTW.

What happens in the DPR review is still pretty good as they mentioned. And if you care about video a lot, you get the Better higher quality video and AF. AF is pretty important.

What is this argument about again?

No one said Canon IBIS was bad. I didn't. DPR didn't. All laid out in the OP.

So yes, Canon IBIS is good. Better than most. Just not as good as the very best.

It’s about the m43 insecurity complex

as it has become customary, still waiting for the FF hordes of trolls coming in to draw threads of comparisons

So we can't compare camera features in the real world... in a camera gear forum?

Who is really insecure here?

 

[Paul GB]

... from a higher viewpoint (all forums) this, like all on DPR forums is about Man's insecurity...

A psychologist would have a field day reading these posts.. LOL.

 

[rashid7]

the fact that canon could go right to the top of the FF heap on their 1st IBIS attempt...!!

 

[C Sean]

Am I missing something here other than the R6 is a very good camera?

 

[bluevellet]

Am I missing something here other than the R6 is a very good camera?

That's correct.



Some people still complain about 20MP though.

 

[Kurgo]

A bit tongue and cheek as a topic, but in both video and stills, Jordan and Chris Canon finds the R6 has very good IBIS, surpassing most other manufacturers, except for one. Chris openly wonders if the R5, with its higher resolution still and video, will fare worse.

Rest easy, Olympus faithfulls, the king has not been dethroned,

Good job all around though, Canon.

Man, and they did that with a sensor that dwarfs a m43 one; if they were doing m43 cameras, which they're wise enough not to, they'd do twice as well as Olympus, which explains why Oly Imaging failed spectacularly and Canon hasn't.

I mean, it's that kind of thread, right? Carry on.

 

[rashid7]

"Avatar" fans:

Do u remember early in the film when Jake Sully talks w/ the colonel, who solicits him to be a spy.

Colonel: "A recon Marine in an Avatar body... that's a potent mix... gives me goosebumps!"

(Olympus-calibre stabilization in a FF body)

 

[Raist3d]

Olympus not selling as well.

And if Canon did a pretty good job with IBIS, that surely means they can close the gap in many situations since they can afford to shoot higher ISO at a higher level of quality.

Still waiting, once again, he FF trolls that keep bringing those FF format cameras into the m43rds forum

This is a bragging rights thread!

but I guess at least we can lift the suicide watch on the forum

And not letting hype and marketing hyperboles from other manufacturers obscure the facts!

Sure, if we are talking about the facts, then we know that Canon has the leeway to afford to shoot 1.5-2 stops faster thanks to better ISO. Also we know on facts that her operational envelope for them having IBIS still expands considerably because you start hitting diminishing returns, while you still get the benefits of he higher quality of a FF sensor, along with better AF.

This applies to stills, yes. With some limitations too, like long exposures as you would actually want the long exposures and not simply the correct exposure (via long exposure, higher ISO, faster aperture).

But for video, the more limited IBIS means you wouldn't push this camera as much as you would with an Olympus.

The review still spot quite positively and you get the great dual pixel AF Canon is at this point known for video.

So more likely to stand still rather than walking/running around with it. This is what happens in the DPR review, BTW.

What happens in the DPR review is still pretty good as they mentioned. And if you care about video a lot, you get the Better higher quality video and AF. AF is pretty important.

What is this argument about again?

No one said Canon IBIS was bad. I didn't. DPR didn't. All laid out in the OP.

So yes, Canon IBIS is good. Better than most. Just not as good as the very best.

It’s about the m43 insecurity complex

as it has become customary, still waiting for the FF hordes of trolls coming in to draw threads of comparisons

So we can't compare camera features in the real world... in a camera gear forum?

Who is really insecure here?

It's not the comparison. It's the title and religious sports winning But I mean, still waiting for those nasty FF trolls that keep bringing that format into this forum.

 

[C Sean]

Here’s the reality...

There been a lot of debates regarding crop sensor vs Full Frame. Can you use Full Frame for general shooting and the answer is sure, however due to the size and cost you are restrictive to what you can shoot with. This is why crop sensor are more advantageous to your hobbyist photographer because pros need the right equipment for their task but the hobbyist don’t and IQ isn’t as important to them as is for the paid photographers.

So let look at landscapers and what Full Frame gear they need and carry.

• Full Frame Body
• Tripod
• Large Backpack
• 18-35 F2.8 or F4
• 24-70mm F2.8
• 70-200mm F4
• Filters

We have portraits but this is more complex because they have their various styles.

• Full Frame
• 35mm 1.4 or 1.8
• 50mm 1.4 or 1.8
• 85mm 1.4 or 1.8
• Maybe one or two other primes like a Macro lens, a 135mm or a 200mm
• 70-200mm 2.8
• Strobe equipment.

Weddings but one or two Lenses can be removed.

• Two Full Frames
• video recording equipment
• 35mm 1.4 or 1.8
• 85mm 1.4 or 1.8
• 24-70mm 2.8
• 70-200mm 2.8
• Flash

There isn’t anything to be envious about.

The general non paid photographer don’t need the 70-200mm 2.8. It’s too big, too heavier and too restrictive for long distance shooting. The other thing the photographer say taking a telephoto zoom to a ball game, he or she wouldn’t be sitting in the best location and need a longer zoom. Best formats for those photographers are M43 and Canon Rebels, Canon M and maybe Fuji if they do compact telephoto zooms.

The only hobbyist who can benefit from Full Frame if they buy the smaller lenses or shorter focal lengths or they need Full Frame for specific situations like shooting stars or concerts for their rock band mates. They could benefit by getting 35mm 1.8, 50mm 1.8 and the 85mm 1.8. Other than that and maybe the 24-70 F4 or the 24-105mm F4 there isn’t a credible reason to go into Full Frame unless you are looking at becoming a pro.

If you go to Fstoppers website and look at the images by the community. The pictures are taken by talented pro photographers. If you look at images here, some are rubbish and need to keep on improving their craft.