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Hello, I have an old 2008 Mac Pro upgraded over the years which we now mainly use for Photos and have over 60,000 photos loaded. I have not found any suitable software replacement over the years which supports that many photos that also supports all the Apple formats. We use all the features of Photos.

We have stability/speed issues when editing a lot of photos in a session. We want to upgrade the computer and was initially thinking of the Mac Pro, but the cost is high and probably overkill since we don’t edit videos much any more.

I was thinking of instead of getting an almost loaded MacBook Pro 16 with 2 TB SSD since portability is a nice positive and forego updating the new MP over its life.

Do anyone think that the MacBook Pro can handle that many and growing photos in Apple Photos? I figure that rather than using the MacPro longer, I can get a new MBP or what ever sooner than the MP since it costs about half the price.

Second question, is the stability improved with the latest Photos?

Thank You.
 
60k photos isn't a large library these days. If you really want portability then yes the MBP 16 is more than capable. And if budget's no issue then by all means get the 2TB version. Personally I would get 1TB of storage and maybe 32 gigs of Ram, and then get an SSD as an external for the other 1TB.

But seriously, if portability is not a key requirement you'll do really well with an iMac 27 inch.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'all the apple formats' but Lightroom will manage anything Photos does.
 
Hello, I have an old 2008 Mac Pro upgraded over the years which we now mainly use for Photos and have over 60,000 photos loaded. I have not found any suitable software replacement over the years which supports that many photos that also supports all the Apple formats. We use all the features of Photos.

We have stability/speed issues when editing a lot of photos in a session. We want to upgrade the computer and was initially thinking of the Mac Pro, but the cost is high and probably overkill since we don’t edit videos much any more.

I was thinking of instead of getting an almost loaded MacBook Pro 16 with 2 TB SSD since portability is a nice positive and forego updating the new MP over its life.

Do anyone think that the MacBook Pro can handle that many and growing photos in Apple Photos? I figure that rather than using the MacPro longer, I can get a new MBP or what ever sooner than the MP since it costs about half the price.

Second question, is the stability improved with the latest Photos?

Thank You.
The MBP 16" would certainly work.

So would a 27" iMac, and it might be a better value if you don't need portability (and have a lot of peripherals, since the MBP is all USB-C and hence might require a docking station and/or a bunch of adapters. And RAM for the 27" is a LOT cheaper.

But the limitation might be the software, in that some have had issues with large libraries and Photos. And if something does go wrong it's a bear to fix things with it. So you could buy new hardware and still have issues on the organizational end, although editing would clearly be faster.

Not sure what you mean by "all the Apple formats." Most every photo organizer supports at least as many file and camera raw formats as macOS, and often more.
 
We have photos taken on my Canon dSLR, and iPhones. The formats I am talking about are HEIF, HEVC and Live Photo’s. You especially can not change the Live Photo settings without Photos. I don’t have the latest Photos so I don’t know if I can change the Portrait setting.

I have evaluated getting a IMac Pro, (I currently use a 2010 27” iMac for my monitor when I am using the Mac Pro,) but decided to go either the MBP for portability or MP for expandability. It’s a shame the MacOS has not supported my 2008 MacPro for a couple of years, I did install High Sierra on it, but it has issues especially the graphics card.

I tend to like the XEON processors with ECC memory, but I haven’t seen the memory issues of the old days. In early days when I copy massive amount of photos from one drive to another, I would get a unreported bit error here or there. It really messes up jpeg photos, and it would take time before I realized it was copied bad. Now I have utilities to compare the files / directories to see if there was copy errors. Even still, I have not seen errors like the old days.



I am worried about stability issues, my daughter sees crashes on her smaller database on her MBP. iPhotos had it problems, but repairing the database was reliable then. I’ve had a hard time recovering at times with Photos. I tag people/faces and it would lump different persons into one on repairs.



I have not found any consumer photo management on Mac or Windows suitable for us. Nothing supports scanning through all the 60,000 photos variable sized thumb nails quickly like on Photos (or the old days Aperture) We’ve invested too much time tagging faces, location and creating albums. We’ve lost some nice slide shows from iPhotos. IPhotos slide shows allowed tweaking how Ken Burns would pan and zoom. We only have the output in videos.

Hello, I have an old 2008 Mac Pro upgraded over the years which we now mainly use for Photos and have over 60,000 photos loaded. I have not found any suitable software replacement over the years which supports that many photos that also supports all the Apple formats. We use all the features of Photos.

We have stability/speed issues when editing a lot of photos in a session. We want to upgrade the computer and was initially thinking of the Mac Pro, but the cost is high and probably overkill since we don’t edit videos much any more.

I was thinking of instead of getting an almost loaded MacBook Pro 16 with 2 TB SSD since portability is a nice positive and forego updating the new MP over its life.

Do anyone think that the MacBook Pro can handle that many and growing photos in Apple Photos? I figure that rather than using the MacPro longer, I can get a new MBP or what ever sooner than the MP since it costs about half the price.

Second question, is the stability improved with the latest Photos?

Thank You.
The MBP 16" would certainly work.

So would a 27" iMac, and it might be a better value if you don't need portability (and have a lot of peripherals, since the MBP is all USB-C and hence might require a docking station and/or a bunch of adapters. And RAM for the 27" is a LOT cheaper.

But the limitation might be the software, in that some have had issues with large libraries and Photos. And if something does go wrong it's a bear to fix things with it. So you could buy new hardware and still have issues on the organizational end, although editing would clearly be faster.

Not sure what you mean by "all the Apple formats." Most every photo organizer supports at least as many file and camera raw formats as macOS, and often more.
 
Yes, I did considered the iMac, especially the iMac Pro. My reason is described in my other reply.

1 TB would be tough, I would near the capacity with 600 GB Photos and 200 GB iTunes libraries. Splitting up the photos was considered, but if I wanted to merge photos from different libraries, the tagging information or non destructive edits are lost.

thanks.
 
Yes, I did considered the iMac, especially the iMac Pro. My reason is described in my other reply.

1 TB would be tough, I would near the capacity with 600 GB Photos and 200 GB iTunes libraries. Splitting up the photos was considered, but if I wanted to merge photos from different libraries, the tagging information or non destructive edits are lost.

thanks.
So, use an external SSD. With USB3 / Thunderbolt there is no performance hit. All of my 75K photos and my 25k item Music/tv libraries are on externals.
I have not found any consumer photo management on Mac or Windows suitable for us. Nothing supports scanning through all the 60,000 photos variable sized thumb nails quickly like on Photos (or the old days Aperture)
Lightroom, whichever version will do this, OnOnePhoto Raw will, CaptureOne will, Mylio will, though you may need to give them time to build caches.

From the usage you describe the iMac Pro and the Mac Pro are massive overkill. The 16" in the configuration you describe is similarly over spec, imho. But hey, it's your money... Enjoy it.
 
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Something else to consider:

Do you still have software that is "32-bit" ??

Be aware that many older apps which are 32-bit only will not run on Catalina.
That means, if you buy a new 16" MacBook Pro, or any new Mac that is coming down the pike, all your older 32-bit software will become obsolete (unless you run it under emulation).

However, if you were to buy a 2019 iMac, or perhaps a 2018 Mini, you could still run Mojave into the foreseeable future, and still run that older software.
 
Hello, I have an old 2008 Mac Pro upgraded over the years which we now mainly use for Photos and have over 60,000 photos loaded. I have not found any suitable software replacement over the years which supports that many photos that also supports all the Apple formats. We use all the features of Photos.

We have stability/speed issues when editing a lot of photos in a session. We want to upgrade the computer and was initially thinking of the Mac Pro, but the cost is high and probably overkill since we don’t edit videos much any more.

I was thinking of instead of getting an almost loaded MacBook Pro 16 with 2 TB SSD since portability is a nice positive and forego updating the new MP over its life.

Do anyone think that the MacBook Pro can handle that many and growing photos in Apple Photos? I figure that rather than using the MacPro longer, I can get a new MBP or what ever sooner than the MP since it costs about half the price.

Second question, is the stability improved with the latest Photos?

Thank You.
Not sure what advice I can give about new hardware, I'm currently using an old iMac 27" Late 2013 model, and I'm still very happy with its performance. I have upgraded it to 16GB RAM and put a 500GB SSD in it. I would suspect anything newer should perform adequately for your needs.

I use external drives (using both FW800 and USB3) to store my bulk files. Images and media are stored on a dedicated drive, as is my iTunes library on another, along with backups on other drives.

My collection of images is similar, 55,000 images, at nearly 600GB. But I can't use Apple Photos, it can't handle that size of catalogue, or too many Raw files. The catalogue file is far too fragile, in my experience, and crashes a lot, until it becomes completely unusable. I even tested a fresh import a couple of weeks ago, and only got a few thousand imported before it failed.

Although I continue to search for alternatives (don't really like the subscription, but in reality it is extremely good value), I'm using the Adobe Lightroom plan, which is mature and stable, and handles all files thrown at it (HEIC, all Raws, TIFFs JPEGs PNGs and so on). Can't say about Live images, I never use it now, as I just hated that as a format. Indeed I tend to use the Lightroom camera on my iPhone as it allows me to shoot in DNG (Raw) format, which I prefer over the gimmicky live mode.

Looks like you're prepared to spend a lot of money on the hardware, so what's $10/mth in reality (not even a cup of coffee at Starbucks per week).

All the best.
 
My collection of images is similar, 55,000 images, at nearly 600GB. But I can't use Apple Photos, it can't handle that size of catalogue, or too many Raw files. The catalogue file is far too fragile, in my experience, and crashes a lot, until it becomes completely unusable. I even tested a fresh import a couple of weeks ago, and only got a few thousand imported before it failed.

Although I continue to search for alternatives (don't really like the subscription, but in reality it is extremely good value), I'm using the Adobe Lightroom plan, which is mature and stable, and handles all files thrown at it (HEIC, all Raws, TIFFs JPEGs PNGs and so on). Can't say about Live images, I never use it now, as I just hated that as a format. Indeed I tend to use the Lightroom camera on my iPhone as it allows me to shoot in DNG (Raw) format, which I prefer over the gimmicky live mode.

Looks like you're prepared to spend a lot of money on the hardware, so what's $10/mth in reality (not even a cup of coffee at Starbucks per week).

All the best.
That is my biggest fear. When we come back from vacation, we spend days processing photos. On my old Mac Pro w/ High Sierra, our edit session gradually lags behind as we go from photo to photo until it crashes. If we re-launch Photos once in a while, or even reboot the Mac, that helps. We are not pros but serious amateur photographers. At times, we do like live photos for long exposures for things like waterfalls/streams when we don't have a tripod. If Photos become totally intolerable, I probably have to use Photos for changing the Live photos / Portrait or do it on the iPhone/iPad and then import it to LR. We also have short video clips mixed in also. Without those formats, I have a relatively fast Laptop to use LR. The problem is all the information we tag and create albums is lost or has to be redone. I am also not sure my wife likes to lose the ease of use of Photos than LR. LR is not a problem for me. Sad to say, Apple has not been good in resolving bugs on the Mac SW like they have in the past. These crashes has been there for years.

For others, I really like the iMac, but there are some advantages with the portability of the MBP. Maybe when my old iMac dies, used for general computing and external monitor, we'll upgrade it.

Thanks,
 
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My collection of images is similar, 55,000 images, at nearly 600GB. But I can't use Apple Photos, it can't handle that size of catalogue, or too many Raw files. The catalogue file is far too fragile, in my experience, and crashes a lot, until it becomes completely unusable. I even tested a fresh import a couple of weeks ago, and only got a few thousand imported before it failed.

Although I continue to search for alternatives (don't really like the subscription, but in reality it is extremely good value), I'm using the Adobe Lightroom plan, which is mature and stable, and handles all files thrown at it (HEIC, all Raws, TIFFs JPEGs PNGs and so on). Can't say about Live images, I never use it now, as I just hated that as a format. Indeed I tend to use the Lightroom camera on my iPhone as it allows me to shoot in DNG (Raw) format, which I prefer over the gimmicky live mode.

Looks like you're prepared to spend a lot of money on the hardware, so what's $10/mth in reality (not even a cup of coffee at Starbucks per week).

All the best.
That is my biggest fear. When we come back from vacation, we spend days processing photos. On my old Mac Pro w/ High Sierra, our edit session gradually lags behind as we go from photo to photo until it crashes. If we re-launch Photos once in a while, or even reboot the Mac, that helps. We are not pros but serious amateur photographers.
Yeah, myself too, I only take photos for my own pleasure.

However, I can end up with a couple of hundred images just from a short walk about for an hour or two.

Being able to hit the bulk apply presets/adjustments in Lightroom can save a lot of time.
At times, we do like live photos for long exposures for things like waterfalls/streams when we don't have a tripod. If Photos become totally intolerable, I probably have to use Photos for changing the Live photos / Portrait or do it on the iPhone/iPad and then import it to LR. We also have short video clips mixed in also. Without those formats, I have a relatively fast Laptop to use LR. The problem is all the information we tag and create albums is lost or has to be redone. I am also not sure my wife likes to lose the ease of use of Photos than LR. LR is not a problem for me. Sad to say, Apple has not been good in resolving bugs on the Mac SW like they have in the past. These crashes has been there for years.
Ease of use, vs constant crashing, and possibly eventually losing your photos and/or your edits. Short videos work OK in Lightroom too.

As you say, perhaps one idea is to use Photos just for iPhone live images, and then port them over.
For others, I really like the iMac, but there are some advantages with the portability of the MBP. Maybe when my old iMac dies, used for general computing and external monitor, we'll upgrade it.
As a relatively lightweight user, I would think almost any model of Mac would do what you need it to. Heck, I've actually been considering dumping all the gear and going with an iPad Pro. I have a base model iPad, and have been very impressed with how well that handles all my photos (using all the Adobe apps on there) - although I mainly use that to Airplay to my Apple TV (Lightroom on the Apple TV is terrible).

All the best
 
That is my biggest fear. When we come back from vacation, we spend days processing photos. On my old Mac Pro w/ High Sierra, our edit session gradually lags behind as we go from photo to photo until it crashes. If we re-launch Photos once in a while, or even reboot the Mac, that helps. We are not pros but serious amateur photographers. At times, we do like live photos for long exposures for things like waterfalls/streams when we don't have a tripod. If Photos become totally intolerable, I probably have to use Photos for changing the Live photos / Portrait or do it on the iPhone/iPad and then import it to LR. We also have short video clips mixed in also. Without those formats, I have a relatively fast Laptop to use LR. The problem is all the information we tag and create albums is lost or has to be redone. I am also not sure my wife likes to lose the ease of use of Photos than LR. LR is not a problem for me. Sad to say, Apple has not been good in resolving bugs on the Mac SW like they have in the past. These crashes has been there for years.

For others, I really like the iMac, but there are some advantages with the portability of the MBP. Maybe when my old iMac dies, used for general computing and external monitor, we'll upgrade it.
As others have noted, you seem to have a software problem as much as a hardware problem. And the more you commit to Photos, the worse it can get. It can be difficult to transition out, especially if you have no choice. So easier to make a gradual transition. Editing Live Photos in macOS was only thing you cited that Photos could do that other applications can't do, and even with that you could use your iPhone instead probably as well, as you note (I'm like Mr Hewitt, I never use it so can't say for sure). Or use Photos JUST for that; I use Photos but only as a means of sharing a very very small subset of my bazillions of images, not managing a large library. It doesn't do that well, as you've discovered.

And note that Lr's camera app takes raw photos on the iPhone; AFAIK Apple's Camera.app still doesn't do that, and it's really nice to have.

And yes, you've got issues with having committed all that tag info to Photos; you might be stuck in Photos with your existing images for a while. But each new image you add makes that worse, not better. Most every other image organizing applications don't have that problem as most all I can think of can put the tags where they belong, in the image metadata.

As noted, the pure benchmark speed of the iMac 2019 is faster than the old MPs; don't know about the new ones, but even when the MPs were new it was the case that you had to buy a mid range one to get better Ps and Lr speeds than top spec'd non-MPs. Video would be different obviously. Tests here: https://browser.geekbench.com/mac-benchmarks. And look on Puget Sound System's web site for tests on both GPUs and CPUs to see similar results, but with Ps or Lr tests.

And as to the Yuryev videos, I'd seen those, although I don't recall much on thermals. Note that "average" is average, and not "max." Not uncommon for those to throttle back on most machines, and rarely an issue for still photographers vs videos. But the last video he did is a real world comparison between the MBP 16 and iMP, and his conclusion is that the MBP fares very well against it considering it's portable ("the closest these machines have been ever"). I'd also recommend viewing it if you're considering an iMac.

And AppleInsider did some thermal testing, and found no throttling, that the 2.4 ran at a consistent 3.1-3.2 after lots of stress. And as the tester noted, it does jump up to 5 "right off the bat."
I would think it would be a dandy machine for photo work, thinking of replacing my laptop with one eventually (and before Apple decides to make another "improvement" like the butterfly keyboard :-D ).
 
Barefeats.com is one of my favorite websites because the Mac tests often include image editing software and performance comparisons of various Macs.

As far as image editing software, the OP may benefit from demoing FastRawViewer . At only $20 ($14.99 through today) it is one of the fastest programs for image culling and it has some unique features, particularly for photographers shooting RAW. (FRV can also be used with JPEGs.)
 
Hello, I have an old 2008 Mac Pro upgraded over the years which we now mainly use for Photos and have over 60,000 photos loaded. I have not found any suitable software replacement over the years which supports that many photos that also supports all the Apple formats. We use all the features of Photos.

We have stability/speed issues when editing a lot of photos in a session. We want to upgrade the computer and was initially thinking of the Mac Pro, but the cost is high and probably overkill since we don’t edit videos much any more.

I was thinking of instead of getting an almost loaded MacBook Pro 16 with 2 TB SSD since portability is a nice positive and forego updating the new MP over its life.

Do anyone think that the MacBook Pro can handle that many and growing photos in Apple Photos? I figure that rather than using the MacPro longer, I can get a new MBP or what ever sooner than the MP since it costs about half the price.

Second question, is the stability improved with the latest Photos?

Thank You.
Last year, I faced a choice in upgrading from a 2012 13" MBP (with aftermarket SSD in the optical bay). This had served as my one and only production machine for five years. The conundrum: go maxed MBP or desktop + entry-level laptop. I chose the latter and got a used 2013 Mac Pro and an entry-level 2017 13" MBP. At the time, the Mac Pro represented a significant step up in performance over the best MBP, and the mini hadn't been updated in several years. Were I doing this today, I'd get a 6-core Mac mini (16GB RAM and 512GB SSD for $1500) instead of the Mac Pro. The mini represents a lot of bang for the buck. I use the MBP (8GB RAM & 256GB SSD for $1500) infrequently, and it serves well when using Lightroom on location, so I'm happy with my choice. The MBP also serves as a backup in case my Mac Pro fails.

Geekbench multi-core scores for the 8-core 16" MBP are only 17% higher than for the 6-core Mac mini.

As for performance of the Photos app, I couldn't say. Lightroom and PhotoLab both perform very well on both my Macs. macOS has become very efficient in using RAM, and I'm pleasantly surprised at how well I get by with just 8GB on my MBP.

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Hello,

Thanks everyone one on all the comments. I got the 16" MBP i9 with 2 TB SDD, 32 GB RAM. I've been playing with it for the last 3 days. Took some time to get the files over with. (Found the extra Apple USB C charging cord from my kids' work MBP does not transfer data fast 32GB/S, in fact slower than the USB-C to A back to USB-C for my portable Samsung SSD - 400 GB/S. Unfortunately, I found out when I was done.)

The speed is definitely fine, and has a nice screen. I've been correcting photos with Photos and has not crashed with the latests updates. (I had crashes idling with Amphetamine installed to keep the MB from sleeping. I removed it, I haven't crashed since. ) The only major pause is once editing a Live Photos's levels, it took some time to generate it with spinning spiral. I hope Photos stay stable.

I gave up on the MP, they are insane with the prices. Ie. CPU upgrades are in increments of $1000 and the current graphics cards in almost increments of $2400. SSD price was not too bad. It looks like a beautifully built machine. The money I saved, I can get the 65" LG OLED and still have money left over. Anyone want to buy an old Pioneer Plasma?

If I did not find an advantage of portability, I'd definitely would have gone with the iMacs. If I bought a desktop, within time, I would have replace my 2008 MB at some time.

Again, Thanks
 
Last year, I faced a choice in upgrading from a 2012 13" MBP (with aftermarket SSD in the optical bay). This had served as my one and only production machine for five years. The conundrum: go maxed MBP or desktop + entry-level laptop. I chose the latter and got a used 2013 Mac Pro and an entry-level 2017 13" MBP. At the time, the Mac Pro represented a significant step up in performance over the best MBP, and the mini hadn't been updated in several years. Were I doing this today, I'd get a 6-core Mac mini (16GB RAM and 512GB SSD for $1500) instead of the Mac Pro. The mini represents a lot of bang for the buck. I use the MBP (8GB RAM & 256GB SSD for $1500) infrequently, and it serves well when using Lightroom on location, so I'm happy with my choice. The MBP also serves as a backup in case my Mac Pro fails.

Geekbench multi-core scores for the 8-core 16" MBP are only 17% higher than for the 6-core Mac mini.

As for performance of the Photos app, I couldn't say. Lightroom and PhotoLab both perform very well on both my Macs. macOS has become very efficient in using RAM, and I'm pleasantly surprised at how well I get by with just 8GB on my MBP.
I'm still happy with the 16" MBP. Hindsight I did not think much of the mini because I was blind looking for the very latest CPU. Like you said, it isn't dramatically higher performance but it screams overall with an eGPU. I observed my photo processing does not use the CPU as heavily as the GPU. I still prefer the portability otherwise the desktop choice would now be the mini due to the expandabilty options - eCPU, larger external Thunderbolt storage and RAM. Although all of those except for RAM is still an option with the MBP at a higher cost

Thanks.
 
Last year, I faced a choice in upgrading from a 2012 13" MBP (with aftermarket SSD in the optical bay). This had served as my one and only production machine for five years. The conundrum: go maxed MBP or desktop + entry-level laptop. I chose the latter and got a used 2013 Mac Pro and an entry-level 2017 13" MBP. At the time, the Mac Pro represented a significant step up in performance over the best MBP, and the mini hadn't been updated in several years. Were I doing this today, I'd get a 6-core Mac mini (16GB RAM and 512GB SSD for $1500) instead of the Mac Pro. The mini represents a lot of bang for the buck. I use the MBP (8GB RAM & 256GB SSD for $1500) infrequently, and it serves well when using Lightroom on location, so I'm happy with my choice. The MBP also serves as a backup in case my Mac Pro fails.

Geekbench multi-core scores for the 8-core 16" MBP are only 17% higher than for the 6-core Mac mini.

As for performance of the Photos app, I couldn't say. Lightroom and PhotoLab both perform very well on both my Macs. macOS has become very efficient in using RAM, and I'm pleasantly surprised at how well I get by with just 8GB on my MBP.
I'm still happy with the 16" MBP. Hindsight I did not think much of the mini because I was blind looking for the very latest CPU. Like you said, it isn't dramatically higher performance but it screams overall with an eGPU. I observed my photo processing does not use the CPU as heavily as the GPU.
That depends on your choice of software. DXO PhotoLab relies heavily on CPU for exporting adjusted RAWs as JPEGs. Processing Prime noise reduction is particularly CPU-intensive. PhotoLab scales well across multiple CPU cores. So, the best way to improve PhotoLab performance is to have as many CPU cores as possible. Other RAW processors may lean more heavily on the GPU and be better served by a GPU upgrade/expansion.
I still prefer the portability otherwise the desktop choice would now be the mini due to the expandabilty options - eCPU, larger external Thunderbolt storage and RAM. Although all of those except for RAM is still an option with the MBP at a higher cost

Thanks.
Yeah, the 16" wasn't available when I bought my 2013 Mac Pro in 2018. It looks like a strong contender. The MBP's 8-core CPU performance seems to be on par with my 8-core 3.3GHz Mac Pro's and ahead of the 8-core 3.0GHz Mac Pro's.
 
Yeah, the 16" wasn't available when I bought my 2013 Mac Pro in 2018. It looks like a strong contender. The MBP's 8-core CPU performance seems to be on par with my 8-core 3.3GHz Mac Pro's and ahead of the 8-core 3.0GHz Mac Pro's.
The 16" MacBook Pro appears to be a very strong contender. I just watched Max Yuryev's Jan. 20 video testing the current 16" MacBook Pro to the new Mac Pro configured to $15000, and near the end of the video, he tells everyone:

"Overall, we're really impressed with this year's 16-inch MacBook Pro, and we'd honestly say that almost everyone should just buy the MacBook Pro. And most people will actually be completely fine with the base $2400 16-inch model…"

Of course, he's not saying the MacBook Pro is better than Apple's most powerful desktop, just a far better value, and a perfectly satisfactory performer, having solved most of the avoidable thermal issues of earlier models.
 
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Yeah, the 16" wasn't available when I bought my 2013 Mac Pro in 2018. It looks like a strong contender. The MBP's 8-core CPU performance seems to be on par with my 8-core 3.3GHz Mac Pro's and ahead of the 8-core 3.0GHz Mac Pro's.
The 16" MacBook Pro appears to be a very strong contender. I just watched Max Yuryev's Jan. 20 video testing the current 16" MacBook Pro to the new Mac Pro configured to $15000, and near the end of the video, he tells everyone:

"Overall, we're really impressed with this year's 16-inch MacBook Pro, and we'd honestly say that almost everyone should just buy the MacBook Pro. And most people will actually be completely fine with the base $2400 16-inch model…"

Of course, he's not saying the MacBook Pro is better than Apple's most powerful desktop, just a far better value, and a perfectly satisfactory performer, having solved most of the avoidable thermal issues of earlier models.
As for value, I'd rather have a $1500 6-core mini with an $800 NEC EA271U 4K Spectraview display.
 
Yeah, the 16" wasn't available when I bought my 2013 Mac Pro in 2018. It looks like a strong contender. The MBP's 8-core CPU performance seems to be on par with my 8-core 3.3GHz Mac Pro's and ahead of the 8-core 3.0GHz Mac Pro's.
The 16" MacBook Pro appears to be a very strong contender. I just watched Max Yuryev's Jan. 20 video testing the current 16" MacBook Pro to the new Mac Pro configured to $15000, and near the end of the video, he tells everyone:

"Overall, we're really impressed with this year's 16-inch MacBook Pro, and we'd honestly say that almost everyone should just buy the MacBook Pro. And most people will actually be completely fine with the base $2400 16-inch model…"

Of course, he's not saying the MacBook Pro is better than Apple's most powerful desktop, just a far better value, and a perfectly satisfactory performer, having solved most of the avoidable thermal issues of earlier models.
As for value, I'd rather have a $1500 6-core mini with an $800 NEC EA271U 4K Spectraview display.
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For a desktop I would agree. But I need the portability, so it’s nice to know Apple has reduced the necessary compromises compared to the earlier models. At home I plug my MBP into a big Spectraview.
 

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