Is Sony play its own game with us ?!

[ernet]

Hi,

According different Sony's sources there are many dates of 828 delivery to the market.

As sb.mentioned here Sony should releaze an official announcement of 828 availability on the market a.s.a.p.. If Sony does NOT do it( knowing about VERY late 828 delay of delivery ) I could suspect Sony that in this way Sony do its best to keep all its potentially customers in uncertainty. What for ? To keep away Sony's potentially customers of other DCs companies as long as 828 reach the shops.

If it so IT IS UNFAIR SONY !

Moreover... if Sony official announcement of 828 availability is January 2004

I think many ( say: some ) of us buy other ( than Sony ) DCs. You know that the choice is very huge. So the competitors.

So, if 828s are at shops in December 2003 it means I was wrong.

Again;

--
Ernet/ Tenre at work

 

[Greg Gebhardt]

Hi,
According different Sony's sources there are many dates of 828
delivery to the market.
As sb.mentioned here Sony should releaze an official announcement
of 828 availability on the market a.s.a.p.. If Sony does NOT do
it( knowing about VERY late 828 delay of delivery ) I could
suspect Sony that in this way Sony do its best to keep all its
potentially customers in uncertainty. What for ? To keep away
Sony's potentially customers of other DCs companies as long as 828
reach the shops.

If it so IT IS UNFAIR SONY !

Moreover... if Sony official announcement of 828 availability is
January 2004
I think many ( say: some ) of us buy other ( than Sony ) DCs. You
know that the choice is very huge. So the competitors.

So, if 828s are at shops in December 2003 it means I was wrong.

Again;

--
Ernet/ Tenre at work

--

If you have hung around these forums long you should know there are lots of rumors when a new camera is to be released.

The cameras makers have two choices:
1) not say anything and just have it appear on the shelves
2) do what Sony did but still not have a hard delivery date.

I am sure that Sony is doing everything they can to get a good dependable 828 out to the retailers. If they could tommorrow, they would. Sony is not doing this to be mean to its customers, they are struggling to keep up with the other manufactors. Not everyone can be first with a new jump in technology.

As we get closer to the 828 being delivered, Sony WILL give us a hard introduction date, maybe it just a little too early. Thye know they will loose customers, all ready have, but thier worst nightmare would to be to let a product out that was not ready or will have to be recalled.

We are just going to have to wait. For those who can't, there are plenty of other cameras out there to buy.

Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida

 

[ernet]

........ but thier worst

nightmare would to be to let a product out that was not ready or
will have to be recalled.

============

Right ! All I wanna say is that we ( Sony's customers and others ) deserve to know ONE but RELIABLE TERM OF 828 availability ( e.g. at Sony's web site ).

Ernet/ Tenre at work

 

[Cheryl Meisel]

Hi,
According different Sony's sources there are many dates of 828
delivery to the market.
As sb.mentioned here Sony should releaze an official announcement
of 828 availability on the market a.s.a.p.. If Sony does NOT do
it( knowing about VERY late 828 delay of delivery ) I could
suspect Sony that in this way Sony do its best to keep all its
potentially customers in uncertainty. What for ? To keep away
Sony's potentially customers of other DCs companies as long as 828
reach the shops.

If it so IT IS UNFAIR SONY !

Moreover... if Sony official announcement of 828 availability is
January 2004
I think many ( say: some ) of us buy other ( than Sony ) DCs. You
know that the choice is very huge. So the competitors.

So, if 828s are at shops in December 2003 it means I was wrong.

Again;

--
Ernet/ Tenre at work

--
Cherylm

NOW NOW settle down. You can wait! I would rather WAIT and have them get this baby RIGHT, then say have another 838 come out a bit later with corrections on it. I SAY GET IT RIGHT SONY! Do the 828 PROUD! I will wait!

 

[SDommin]

Hi,
According different Sony's sources there are many dates of 828
delivery to the market.
As sb.mentioned here Sony should releaze an official announcement
of 828 availability on the market a.s.a.p.. If Sony does NOT do
it( knowing about VERY late 828 delay of delivery ) I could
suspect Sony that in this way Sony do its best to keep all its
potentially customers in uncertainty. What for ? To keep away
Sony's potentially customers of other DCs companies as long as 828
reach the shops.

Sony likes to announce their cameras early, then have us wait for the shipping date. Canon likes to hold off on announcing new cameras until just before they ship (i.e. rumors just now surfacing about a G6 model).

Which is better? I don't know, but both companies seem to be doing fine.

--
Scott

My 'Favorites' Gallery:
http://www.pbase.com/sdommin/favorites

 

[Pan Can]

If 828 comes with 1200 $ Price, they 'll sell nothing!!

At this moment you can have the..."REBEL"..less than 1000$

that's a problem for Sony........not for us

--
Pan Can

 

[Skippy]

Ernet, Ernet, Ernet, Sony's good, but even they cannot control the future I am sure they didn't calculate a major Earth Quake happening in their timetable of plans either, and the world is not going to come to an end if Sony doesn't release the camera when we want it either

Have Patients it will be ready when it's ready..........you know when you work in the Medical Field as I do you learn there are a whole lot of other things that are more important than material things

I too am eager for the F828 to be released, but I'm also happy to sit back and wait for it too.......most people waiting for the F828 to be released already own another digital camera, so why the urgency for this one to get here????

I'm not exactly the most patient person around either, making threats to buy another product is your choice, gosh if I had a $1 for everytime I have heard that statement from people I'd be a rich woman.

Sony is not playing a Game, be patient.........yep it sucks I know but that's just the way things are Skippy (Australia)

Hi,
According different Sony's sources there are many dates of 828
delivery to the market.
As sb.mentioned here Sony should releaze an official announcement
of 828 availability on the market a.s.a.p.. If Sony does NOT do
it( knowing about VERY late 828 delay of delivery ) I could
suspect Sony that in this way Sony do its best to keep all its
potentially customers in uncertainty. What for ? To keep away
Sony's potentially customers of other DCs companies as long as 828
reach the shops.

If it so IT IS UNFAIR SONY !

Moreover... if Sony official announcement of 828 availability is
January 2004
I think many ( say: some ) of us buy other ( than Sony ) DCs. You
know that the choice is very huge. So the competitors.

So, if 828s are at shops in December 2003 it means I was wrong.

Again;

--
Ernet/ Tenre at work

--

 

[Gene Miller77510]

If 828 comes with 1200 $ Price, they 'll sell nothing!!

The camera will not sell for $1200. It will be less then $1000. In either case, Sony will out sell the REBEL.

At this moment you can have the..."REBEL"..less than 1000$

Most of us here do not want the REBEL or any dSLR. That is a fact of life that some dSLR users just don't understand.

that's a problem for Sony........not for us

The only problem is for dSLR users who think that is the only way you can take great pictures. My advice, is to think again.

--
Pan Can

--
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!

 

[Richard91758]

Repeat after me " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"

OK?

Richard_

 

[Greg Gebhardt]

If 828 comes with 1200 $ Price, they 'll sell nothing!!

At this moment you can have the..."REBEL"..less than 1000$

that's a problem for Sony........not for us

--
Pan Can

--

Buying the Rebel is only the beginning of your costs in owning that camera. I will take the 828 anyday.

Greg Gebhardt in
Jacksonville, Florida

 

[Skippy]

Repeat after me " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"
Repeat " The 828 doesn't exist"

OK?

Richard_

--

 

[ernet]

Hi Skippy,

Hm..... wise wordsanyway but I only expect from Sony a clear declaration;
e.g.

1) Dear Sony's CUSTOMERS.... we are sorry but still don't know the exact term of delivery....

2) Dear Sony's CUSTOMERS... we are proud to inform you that our new DC 828 will be introducet to the wholeword market on May 2004 ;-))...

3) Sony's SILENCE = I hate it ;-((

Ernet/ Tenre at work

 

[Richard91758]

Only way I'm getting through it Skip.

Richard_

 

[Gene Miller77510]

Hi Skippy,

Hm..... wise wordsanyway but I only expect from Sony a clear
declaration;

They will do that when they know.

e.g.

1) Dear Sony's CUSTOMERS.... we are sorry but still don't know the
exact term of delivery....

Giving an estimate which they have done is good enough.

2) Dear Sony's CUSTOMERS... we are proud to inform you that our new
DC 828 will be introducet to the wholeword market on May 2004

If they are not sure and only gave us an estimated release time, why would a date in May resolve your concerns?

;-))...

3) Sony's SILENCE = I hate it ;-((

Sony has not been SILENT. They just haven't said what you want to hear. That's life and that's business.

Ernet/ Tenre at work

--
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!

 

[srh]

Repeat after me " The 828 doesn't exist"

"Your spoon does not bend because it is just that, a spoon. Mine bends because there is no spoon, just my mind.
Link yourself to the spoon. Become the spoon and bend yourself."

"There is no spoon. Right?!"

OK?

Well, no, I'm not feeling any better now.

--
Take care
Sascha http://a.photoblog.de

 

[PDM]

Greg wrote:
If you have hung around these forums long you should know there are
lots of rumors when a new camera is to be released.

The cameras makers have two choices:
1) not say anything and just have it appear on the shelves
2) do what Sony did but still not have a hard delivery date.

That's not true. I agree with 1) and 2), but you left out 3)
3) announce a camera and give a delivery date

Also, what Sony is doing is not acceptable. Just because someone else has done it before doesn't make it right. Worse I can't recall ANY camera manufacturer throwing out so many wildly different dates. If Sony don't want to give out a delivery date that's fine. Giving out 10 different ones is irresponsible and makes Sony look bad IMO. It obviously IS a marketing ploy. Personally, I don't like companies that try to manipulate potential buyers.

Paul

 

[PDM]

Well, I think I am on the same track as most of you here, but do you actually believe it will outsell the Digital Rebel (300D)? I've looked at that camera in three different stores in the Portland, OR area and everyone tell me they can't keep it in stock. The Sony F828 will have its market, and the sooner they release it the more market it will potentially have. In the mean time people will be buying 300D's and A1's (the reviews are all coming in as excellent). If Sony are lucky they will be able to get the F828 on the market soon enough and in enough quantity to outsell the A1 for Christmas sales.

Paul

Gene Miller wrote:
Pan Can wrote:
The camera will not sell for $1200. It will be less then $1000. In
either case, Sony will out sell the REBEL.

At this moment you can have the..."REBEL"..less than 1000$

Most of us here do not want the REBEL or any dSLR. That is a fact
of life that some dSLR users just don't understand.

that's a problem for Sony........not for us

The only problem is for dSLR users who think that is the only way
you can take great pictures. My advice, is to think again.

--
Pan Can

--
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!

 

[per o christiansen]

Sony F828 should be on the marked in middle of october.In this time Minolta A1 arrived the marked.Soon after reaction came from people who have get this camera.At once the reaction about the noise it produced from the 5 mpix,what you think,sony 2/3 CDD with 8 mpix would be worser or at same level of noise.Some info (do not take it 100%) they have some trouble with the same problem,and if they want take the marked over A1 the noise MUST be lowered.If they trick with the noise parameres the camera would fall down on other parameters.Tecnicaly is it a problem with noise if the pixelation is more than 4 mpix.Testing 3 mpix cameras with 2/3"CDD the noise is not a problem on this chip.

Hi,
According different Sony's sources there are many dates of 828
delivery to the market.
As sb.mentioned here Sony should releaze an official announcement
of 828 availability on the market a.s.a.p.. If Sony does NOT do
it( knowing about VERY late 828 delay of delivery ) I could
suspect Sony that in this way Sony do its best to keep all its
potentially customers in uncertainty. What for ? To keep away
Sony's potentially customers of other DCs companies as long as 828
reach the shops.

If it so IT IS UNFAIR SONY !

Moreover... if Sony official announcement of 828 availability is
January 2004
I think many ( say: some ) of us buy other ( than Sony ) DCs. You
know that the choice is very huge. So the competitors.

So, if 828s are at shops in December 2003 it means I was wrong.

Again;

--
Ernet/ Tenre at work

--
per

 

[lightp8nter]

Leaving the DSLR/F828 debate aside, I don't believe Sony is playing games. I am a consultant and have worked with many Fortune 100 companys (not Sony - yet) and I can tell you that not a one of them "play" with customer's expectations. They try, with varying degrees of success to understand and satisfy those expectations. No one is in the business of "playing" with customers while losing those customers to competitors. If Sony is has not released, then it is not time. My comments are not based upon "trusting" Sony - simple business analysis.

Regarding sales volume: My local camera store is also sold out of 300Ds. What does that mean? Camera stores (not Ritz) have a client base and represent a certain kind of distribution channel to manufactuers. Sony has a different client base and different distribution channels like Best Buy (and no, I don't kinow if the 300D is carried by Best Buy). This does not mean that serious photographers don't shop at Best Buy and that P&S types don't visit camera stores. It just means, in general, that products tend to group around certain types of customers and channels. So in the debate of who outsells whom, I find it very easy to anticipate record sales for the 828.

All of that said, I think think that the F828 is going to be a remarkable camera for all the reasons listed by Phil and in this forum, but more importantly, because it could remap the customer landscape. I would love to know Sony's strategy. The 828 really is not a P&S and is not a DSLR. It is something in between and it may just capture the best of both worlds from a customer standpoint.

Regardiing Sony's strategy: Can you imagine (given decent noise specs) another version of the 828 based upon 20- 85 lens? We could end up buying leses with cameras attached. The possibilities are endless.

What a great time for our hobby/profession.

 

[Frank C.]

Well, I think I am on the same track as most of you here, but do
you actually believe it will outsell the Digital Rebel (300D)? I've
looked at that camera in three different stores in the Portland, OR
area and everyone tell me they can't keep it in stock. The Sony
F828 will have its market, and the sooner they release it the more
market it will potentially have. In the mean time people will be
buying 300D's and A1's (the reviews are all coming in as
excellent). If Sony are lucky they will be able to get the F828 on
the market soon enough and in enough quantity to outsell the A1 for
Christmas sales.

the F828 MAY sell well if they can convince buyers the noise
issue is under control ( assuming there is one ). If the F828
is noisier than the F717 it will have a tough time selling. The pixel
wars have long been over maybe someone should have
told that to Sony.

Paul

Gene Miller wrote:
Pan Can wrote:
The camera will not sell for $1200. It will be less then $1000. In
either case, Sony will out sell the REBEL.

At this moment you can have the..."REBEL"..less than 1000$

Most of us here do not want the REBEL or any dSLR. That is a fact
of life that some dSLR users just don't understand.

that's a problem for Sony........not for us

The only problem is for dSLR users who think that is the only way
you can take great pictures. My advice, is to think again.

--
Pan Can

--
Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!