G3 or wait for A80?

[Mike Hunt]

The G3 is a great camera, but for me not a family camera. I used my
sisters' for a few days and the still shots were fantastic! and the
macros were great also. But again my candid family shots, were,
not... It is slow to focus and I could not get any shots of the
kids playing, without it being blurry.

I think that has more to do with the photographer than the camera. There are ways to work around the slow AF, and I don't see how the A70 could possibly be any faster.

The G3 is very easy to use for a beginner, but it also has plenty of features to help with challenging situations, provided you take the time to learn how to use the camera and learn about photography.

And I am going to get a
A80, not the G3, because I feel it is a better all around family
camera for me. And, it has the manual settings to grow with.

Aside from size and weight, there is really nothing the A80 can do that the G3 can't do as well or better.

I am not happy about the LCD being downgraded, but hopefully Canon
will wake up before final production and see the light regarding
this.

By the time a press release goes out, a camera's design had been finalized for months and the camera is already in production and preparing for distribution.

 

[Mike Hunt]

Yup, I hear ya.

But people should compare features carefully before deciding. It would be very easy to overlook the differences, especially those that aren't obvious from reasding the specs.

The lens blocking part of the viewfinder is somewhat annoying
although I very rarely use the VF so it's not a big deal to me but
it is definetely a design flaw.

There's no blockage in the A80?

The lens barrel wasn't blocking the optical viewfinder in the A70.
I believe the A80 housing is similar to the A70 in that respect.

Size (and less so weight) appears to be the biggest advantage of
the A80 versus the G3/G5 in my eyes. I am also curious what the A80
lens will make of the image sensor which appears to be the same as
in the G3.

If size (and price) doesn't matter then the G3/G5 certainly should
the superior camera in every respect (I don't expect wonders on the
image processing front). The low resolution of the A80 LCD is
really a shame.

But as a small and lightweight compagnion to a 10D or 300D the A80
looks interesting to me.

Regards,
alfalfa

--
http://members.chello.at/alfalfa/portfolio.htm

 

[dchao]

My wife still thinks G3 is too big for her handbag, she would never use any of these Tv or Av modes or put a flash gun on the camera. IMO, S400 is too small, A80 with the flip out LCD is perfect for her.

But people should compare features carefully before deciding. It
would be very easy to overlook the differences, especially those
that aren't obvious from reasding the specs.

The lens blocking part of the viewfinder is somewhat annoying
although I very rarely use the VF so it's not a big deal to me but
it is definetely a design flaw.

There's no blockage in the A80?

The lens barrel wasn't blocking the optical viewfinder in the A70.
I believe the A80 housing is similar to the A70 in that respect.

Size (and less so weight) appears to be the biggest advantage of
the A80 versus the G3/G5 in my eyes. I am also curious what the A80
lens will make of the image sensor which appears to be the same as
in the G3.

If size (and price) doesn't matter then the G3/G5 certainly should
the superior camera in every respect (I don't expect wonders on the
image processing front). The low resolution of the A80 LCD is
really a shame.

But as a small and lightweight compagnion to a 10D or 300D the A80
looks interesting to me.

Regards,
alfalfa

--
http://members.chello.at/alfalfa/portfolio.htm

 

[mac22]

Dell service sucks.

You can get the G3 from Dell today with a stackable coupn for $504
delivered.....just an option......

CHIA


Dell Home - 1 Day Stackable Coupon, Aug 22
Ends Today. Dell Home Software & Peripherals has 10% off most
items. Free Shipping $99+, no tax in most areas.

Stackable (combinable with other discounts) $35 off $400 coupon
code: 59C4ED7B03DB Exp 11pm CT 8/22 (excluding the Dell Axim X5
handheld, Dell Projector, Dell A940 Printer, and Dell P1500 Printer)

--My experience with Dell and Dell Deals was OUTSTANDING!

I ordered a G3 on the evening of Thursday 7/10 on a 10% off (of $599.00) promo with a stackable $40 off coupon deal and free shipping for a net cost of $499.10 delivered.

They shipped it free out of Tennessee on Friday 7/11 and I had it in my hot hands in Iowa on Tuesday 7/15.

It was NIB Canon USA with full Canon USA Warranty -- contents untouched by human hands since leaving the factory in Japan!

It don't get much better'n that online!

I do know they have let some folks down on some of their deals but not in my case.

mac22
'I have duct tape and I am not afraid to use it!'

 

[noonin]

Thanks for all the great replies and insights so far! I am going to see if I can track one down through CC. The San Francisco stores said they are all out, but maybe they can order one. One strike I forgot about reading was more noise in ISO 100 than comperable digicams. Has anyone found this to be a problem? Also, about the shot time and shutter lag...I know with the previous digital cameras, lag was definatly a problem. That's one reason I have stayed away till now. I hate not being able to capture a little spontaneity. Are the G3 times good by today's standards? I played around with a Nikon 4300, which seemed a little slow.

Hi,
I'm new to all this, and am considering these two cameras as my
first digital camera. I would use it for macro shooting my work, as
well as an all-around camera for landscape shots, general family
stuff, etc. I have no experience whatsoever with a SLR, all my
photo experience is with a Pentax IQZoom 928, so I would probably
use automatic settings for alot of my use, at least at first.

My dilemma is track down a G3 or wait for the A80. All the great
deals on the G3 at my large local retailers are sold out, leaving
the only place to find one is at speciality retailers (around $599,
out of my budget), or online (not totally against, but prefer not
to on principle, as well as warranty, return complications).

I don't have a problem waiting for the A80, but wonder if I will
kick myself because of the great features of the G3, namely:

1. the nice lens. Wider zoom-WA range and app.
2. Larger and higher res. LCD (BTW, did anyone else notice the
resolution specs for the A80 LCD vs. the A70 look like the A80 has
LESS res?)
3. Remote
4. RAW format. I don't know if it's something I'll use, but sounds
useful for handling large files
5. Made in Japan- I've often felt M.I.J. has better quality control
than China of Milasia

I'm probably missing something, but off the top, those are the
pluses of the G3 for me.

Disadvantages of the G3 compared to the A80

1. Price (duh!) It (the G3) is more camera than I need, so I hate
to pay for some advanced features I may never use.
2. Shot times- looked to me that, at least the A70, had less
shutter lag and faster powerup times
3. Lens barrel in viewfinder- Real annoying! I don't know yet if I
can completely rely on the LCD for all shot composition (I realize
all Digicams seem to have a fairly inaccurate viewfinder anyway).

Again, I may be missing something, but those are the minuses I
thought of.

Please help me with a little perspective.
Thanks!

 

[log]

My wife still thinks G3 is too big for her handbag...

She could always get a bigger handbag, as I did (Ameribag). I've also rediscovered cargo pockets....

...she would
never use any of these Tv or Av modes or put a flash gun on the
camera.

Never say never.

A80 with the flip out LCD is perfect for her.

Oh, all right, I'll admit I'm being tempted.....

 

[josephC]

I have a G3 but will probably trade it in for an A80. The G3 is a
great camera but tends to stay on the shelf too much because of its
weight. I'll give up the extra features of the G3 to have a camera
that is a bit more pocketable, and that I will carry around more
often as a consequence.

The weight ?? The G3 was never intended as a pocket camera but even
so, I don't consider it heavy at all. I take it with me everywhere,
especially when I go on my daily cycling treks (30-50 Kilometers a
day - I always like having my camera with me to catch unexpected
shots) and don't notice the weight at all. The extra features are
fantastic and there is NO way I would give up those features just
for the sake of a saving a few extra ounces.

A few extra bonuses I like about this camera - the incredible
battery life per charge, ability to add different lenses, the
swivel LCD and the remote. The G3 is well worth every penny IMHO.

I agree with your conclusion, but in the interest of accuracy, the
A80 is likely to have even better battery life than the G3, ans it
also accepts accessory lenses.

and it also has swivel LCD

 

[josephC]

Judging from the price trends of A20, then A40 and A70, I don't think that A80 will hit the market at above $380, at least not in Hoing Kong.

Hi,
I'm new to all this, and am considering these two cameras as my
first digital camera. I would use it for macro shooting my work, as
well as an all-around camera for landscape shots, general family
stuff, etc. > pluses of the G3 for me.

I have a G3 but will probably trade it in for an A80. The G3 is a
great camera but tends to stay on the shelf too much because of its
weight. I'll give up the extra features of the G3 to have a camera
that is a bit more pocketable, and that I will carry around more
often as a consequence.

--

Same reason I opted for the A70.

Fil

 

[Mike Hunt]

Dell service sucks.

You can get the G3 from Dell today with a stackable coupn for $504
delivered.....just an option......

CHIA


Dell Home - 1 Day Stackable Coupon, Aug 22
Ends Today. Dell Home Software & Peripherals has 10% off most
items. Free Shipping $99+, no tax in most areas.

Stackable (combinable with other discounts) $35 off $400 coupon
code: 59C4ED7B03DB Exp 11pm CT 8/22 (excluding the Dell Axim X5
handheld, Dell Projector, Dell A940 Printer, and Dell P1500 Printer)

--My experience with Dell and Dell Deals was OUTSTANDING!

I ordered a G3 on the evening of Thursday 7/10 on a 10% off (of
$599.00) promo with a stackable $40 off coupon deal and free
shipping for a net cost of $499.10 delivered.

They shipped it free out of Tennessee on Friday 7/11 and I had it
in my hot hands in Iowa on Tuesday 7/15.

It was NIB Canon USA with full Canon USA Warranty -- contents
untouched by human hands since leaving the factory in Japan!

It don't get much better'n that online!

I do know they have let some folks down on some of their deals but
not in my case.

mac22
'I have duct tape and I am not afraid to use it!'

I'm happy for you that your experience with Dell turned out so well. But a quick scan of this website or the internet in general will reveal a very substantial number of complaints about some well established paterns of poor, misleading, and deceptive service and tactics by Dell.

I hope you're not foolish enough to think that a company should be judged as good is they have ANY satisfied customers. If a significant number of people complain about the same issues about the same company, then that company has some problems that people should be aware of and take into consideration when deciding whether to do business with them.

 

[Mike Hunt]

I have a G3 but will probably trade it in for an A80. The G3 is a
great camera but tends to stay on the shelf too much because of its
weight. I'll give up the extra features of the G3 to have a camera
that is a bit more pocketable, and that I will carry around more
often as a consequence.

The weight ?? The G3 was never intended as a pocket camera but even
so, I don't consider it heavy at all. I take it with me everywhere,
especially when I go on my daily cycling treks (30-50 Kilometers a
day - I always like having my camera with me to catch unexpected
shots) and don't notice the weight at all. The extra features are
fantastic and there is NO way I would give up those features just
for the sake of a saving a few extra ounces.

A few extra bonuses I like about this camera - the incredible
battery life per charge, ability to add different lenses, the
swivel LCD and the remote. The G3 is well worth every penny IMHO.

I agree with your conclusion, but in the interest of accuracy, the
A80 is likely to have even better battery life than the G3, ans it
also accepts accessory lenses.

and it also has swivel LCD

Well, I think that's the A80's claim to fame.

I jsut think people should be careful not to let that LCD fool them into thinking it's a G3 in a smaller package.

 

[Mike Hunt]

Since she clearly is not into the technical side of photography, you're probably right.

But people should compare features carefully before deciding. It
would be very easy to overlook the differences, especially those
that aren't obvious from reasding the specs.

The lens blocking part of the viewfinder is somewhat annoying
although I very rarely use the VF so it's not a big deal to me but
it is definetely a design flaw.

There's no blockage in the A80?

The lens barrel wasn't blocking the optical viewfinder in the A70.
I believe the A80 housing is similar to the A70 in that respect.

Size (and less so weight) appears to be the biggest advantage of
the A80 versus the G3/G5 in my eyes. I am also curious what the A80
lens will make of the image sensor which appears to be the same as
in the G3.

If size (and price) doesn't matter then the G3/G5 certainly should
the superior camera in every respect (I don't expect wonders on the
image processing front). The low resolution of the A80 LCD is
really a shame.

But as a small and lightweight compagnion to a 10D or 300D the A80
looks interesting to me.

Regards,
alfalfa

--
http://members.chello.at/alfalfa/portfolio.htm

 

[Eric Haglund]

The ability to use a 420ex (yeah I know, more money to spend) is a big one for me. Your indoor shots will be so much nicer, you'll be amazed.

IMHO
--
Eric, Snapshooter
Canon G2/420ex, Fuji 3800
http://www.pbase.com/haglunde

Hi,
I'm new to all this, and am considering these two cameras as my
first digital camera. I would use it for macro shooting my work, as
well as an all-around camera for landscape shots, general family
stuff, etc. I have no experience whatsoever with a SLR, all my
photo experience is with a Pentax IQZoom 928, so I would probably
use automatic settings for alot of my use, at least at first.

My dilemma is track down a G3 or wait for the A80. All the great
deals on the G3 at my large local retailers are sold out, leaving
the only place to find one is at speciality retailers (around $599,
out of my budget), or online (not totally against, but prefer not
to on principle, as well as warranty, return complications).

I don't have a problem waiting for the A80, but wonder if I will
kick myself because of the great features of the G3, namely:

1. the nice lens. Wider zoom-WA range and app.
2. Larger and higher res. LCD (BTW, did anyone else notice the
resolution specs for the A80 LCD vs. the A70 look like the A80 has
LESS res?)
3. Remote
4. RAW format. I don't know if it's something I'll use, but sounds
useful for handling large files
5. Made in Japan- I've often felt M.I.J. has better quality control
than China of Milasia

I'm probably missing something, but off the top, those are the
pluses of the G3 for me.

Disadvantages of the G3 compared to the A80

1. Price (duh!) It (the G3) is more camera than I need, so I hate
to pay for some advanced features I may never use.
2. Shot times- looked to me that, at least the A70, had less
shutter lag and faster powerup times
3. Lens barrel in viewfinder- Real annoying! I don't know yet if I
can completely rely on the LCD for all shot composition (I realize
all Digicams seem to have a fairly inaccurate viewfinder anyway).

Again, I may be missing something, but those are the minuses I
thought of.

Please help me with a little perspective.
Thanks!

 

[Rob Bell]

Provided you don't mind the likelihood that Dell will notify you a
week or two after your order that the camera is sold out and on
back order, and that by the time you finally receive the camera, it
will likely be available for less money elsewhere.

Dell service sucks.

--My experience with Dell and Dell Deals was OUTSTANDING!

I ordered a G3 on the evening of Thursday 7/10 on a 10% off (of
$599.00) promo with a stackable $40 off coupon deal and free
shipping for a net cost of $499.10 delivered.

They shipped it free out of Tennessee on Friday 7/11 and I had it
in my hot hands in Iowa on Tuesday 7/15.

It was NIB Canon USA with full Canon USA Warranty -- contents
untouched by human hands since leaving the factory in Japan!

It don't get much better'n that online!

I do know they have let some folks down on some of their deals but
not in my case.

mac22

I'll second that. I've had nothing but great experiences ordering from Dell (6 orders in the last 1.5 years). I just got my new film scanner that arrived days ahead of when it was expected. Superb service!

Rob

 

[Kirsten Salve]

Hello,

I think that has more to do with the photographer than the camera.
There are ways to work around the slow AF, and I don't see how the
A70 could possibly be any faster.

With children, you do not always have time to "work around" the slow AF.

The G3 is very easy to use for a beginner, but it also has plenty of features to help with challenging situations, provided you take the time to learn how to use the camera > and learn about photography.

I may be new to digital photography, but I do know a little about photography. Infact, I have won 1 first place and 2 seconds for pictures I have taken, albeit, almost 20 years ago. But, I still know How to compose a shot.
I stated that:

I am going to get a A80, not the G3, because I feel it is a better all around family camera for me. Being new to digital cameras, I wanted a camera I could use pre-sets, while I get used to the differences between film and digital. And it has the manual settings to grow with.

Aside from size and weight,

Yes, for ME, size and weight makes a difference - especially while on the ski slopes, or hiking 5 miles up (and up) Cascade Pass in eastern Washington.

there is really nothing the A80 can do that the G3 can't do as well or better.

Yes, I am sure that the G3 is a great camera, but again, for ME, the action shots (even with a 2.8 vs a faster 2.0) just worked out better with A70 I used. And with the new 1/1.8 CCD in the new A80, I am hoping this camera will be even better.

Again, these statements were MY personal preference and reasons for such, which I thought these forums were all about. Sharing, teaching those who ask for help, and not be littling anyone for wanting to learn.
Respectfully,
Kirsten

 

[Mike Hunt]

I think that has more to do with the photographer than the camera.
There are ways to work around the slow AF, and I don't see how the
A70 could possibly be any faster.

With children, you do not always have time to "work around" the
slow AF.

You do if you learn a technique and know how to apply it instantly.

For instance, I have found myself in a similar situation countless times as I try to get quick candid snapshots of friends at parties. Unfortunately, autofocus and lag is much too slow for these situations.

So my workaround was to program my G3's 2 custom settings to provide me with a makeshift fixed focus mode for these situations. Using flash to automatically control exposure, my settings have manually set aperture and focus settings which give me a shotting range of either 3-6 feet or 7-10 feet, respectively.

End result? No lag.

Time to adjust? The fraction of a second that it takes to flip the mode dial to either C1 ro C2 (having preprogrammed them before.)

The G3 is very easy to use for a beginner, but it also has plenty of features to help with challenging situations, provided you take the time to learn how to use the camera > and learn about photography.

I may be new to digital photography, but I do know a little about
photography. Infact, I have won 1 first place and 2 seconds for
pictures I have taken, albeit, almost 20 years ago. But, I still
know How to compose a shot.

Don't get me wrong. I didn't mean any offense. It's just that a camera like the G3 has a wode range of useful features which can be very valuable for a user who's familiar with them. Basic photographic skills are necessary, as is familiarization with the camera's particular features.

I stated that:

I am going to get a A80, not the G3, because I feel it is a better all around family camera for me. Being new to digital cameras, I wanted a camera I could use pre-sets, while I get used to the differences between film and digital. And it has the manual settings to grow with.

The A80 is a great camera. I mentioned the G3 because it has custome settings and a faster lens, two features that would be very useful for the situation you described. It also has better ergonomics and nifty features like a wireless remote. Right now, with the G5 out, prices on the G3 are an incredible bargain while they last.

Aside from size and weight,

Yes, for ME, size and weight makes a difference - especially while
on the ski slopes, or hiking 5 miles up (and up) Cascade Pass in
eastern Washington.

Yes, it is always a tough choice between portability and features.

I too would prefer a smaller camera, but the G3's faster lens and certain other features outweigh its larger size for my needs. I try to share my experiences with people becauswe many often overlook the value of some of these capabilities found only in slightly larger cameras.

there is really nothing the A80 can do that the G3 can't do as well or better.

Yes, I am sure that the G3 is a great camera, but again, for ME,
the action shots (even with a 2.8 vs a faster 2.0) just worked out
better with A70 I used.

There is really nothing about the A70 that would make it any more suitable for action shots, unless its smaller size was a factor. Performance-wise, the G3 will have better AF response due to the faster lens.

And with the new 1/1.8 CCD in the new A80,
I am hoping this camera will be even better.

Well, the A80 is defintiely a big step up from the A70. No arguments there.

Again, these statements were MY personal preference and reasons for
such, which I thought these forums were all about. Sharing,
teaching those who ask for help, and not be littling anyone for
wanting to learn.

Again, my apologies if my comments came across in an unintended way. I was just trying to give you the benefit of some of the things I've learned along the way while encountering very similar challenges.

 

[Kirsten Salve]

Thank you,
No offense taken...

You mentioned, custom 1 and 2. The new A80 lists these settings in their specs. This sounds to be a good feature for the A80, I will read up on how to pre-set these custom modes.

I still feel the A80 will be a great little camera, and when I am ready for a "bigger" camera, it will more than likely be the G3.
Thanks,
Kirsten

Mike Hunt wrote:
With children, you do not always have time to "work around" the
slow AF.

So my workaround was to program my G3's 2 custom settings to
provide me with a makeshift fixed focus mode for these situations.
Using flash to automatically control exposure, my settings have
manually set aperture and focus settings which give me a shotting
range of either 3-6 feet or 7-10 feet, respectively.

End result? No lag.

Time to adjust? The fraction of a second that it takes to flip the
mode dial to either C1 ro C2 (having preprogrammed them before.)

 

[Man-Fai Wong]

So my workaround was to program my G3's 2 custom settings to
provide me with a makeshift fixed focus mode for these situations.
Using flash to automatically control exposure, my settings have
manually set aperture and focus settings which give me a shotting
range of either 3-6 feet or 7-10 feet, respectively.

Mike,

What exact settings do you use for those 2 custom modes?

Right now, I'm using a hyperfocal setting as follows for indoors when I don't need a fast shutter speed and/or the AF doesn't work well:

Av mode w/ aperture f5.6
Lens at full wideangle
MF at 5 ft

This works very well for good focus from 3ft outward, but it does yield a darker background than I like due to the small aperture setting. Like you, I bought the G3 in large part for its fast lens, so this really defeats the purpose when the AF isn't good enough.

Since you use 2 settings and always tout the faster lens of the G3, I assume your settings would take better advantage of large aperture settings, no? I don't mind having to switch between 2 custom settings depending on distance, if it allows use of larger apertures to help expose the background.

Thanks.

Man

 

[Mike Hunt]

So my workaround was to program my G3's 2 custom settings to
provide me with a makeshift fixed focus mode for these situations.
Using flash to automatically control exposure, my settings have
manually set aperture and focus settings which give me a shotting
range of either 3-6 feet or 7-10 feet, respectively.

Mike,

What exact settings do you use for those 2 custom modes?

Av Mode
Slow Sync OFF
Flash ON
Focus MANUAL (preferably set by locking AF on a target at a measured distance)

C1
aperture f2
focus 9 feet 9 inches
effective focus/flash range about 7.1 feet to 15 feet

C2
aperrture f8
focus 3 feet 4 inches
effective focus/flash range about 2.2 to 6.4 feet

Bear in mind that these are just the settings I am currently using for my personal needs. As always, there are compromises involved, and some people might find other settings more suitable for their needs.

These settings will not always give you the best possible results in a given scene. They are meant to give you reasonably good results with fast reaction time in a wide variety of low light situations when fiddling with camera settings would be impractical.

When fine tuning settings for your own use, you need to study a depth of field chart of some sort along with a chart of flash ranges at various apertures.

Right now, I'm using a hyperfocal setting as follows for indoors
when I don't need a fast shutter speed and/or the AF doesn't work
well:

Av mode w/ aperture f5.6
Lens at full wideangle
MF at 5 ft

What do you mean "when [you] don't need a fast shutter speed"? This technique largely assumes you're using flash, which generally eliminates the need for a fast shutter speed.

This setting, as you've discovered, gives you certain benefits along with certain limitations. You must experiment with different settings in search of those that give you the best balance. But remember that this technique is merely a workaround to the limited AF performance of any non-SLR digital camera. Do not expect full creative control or perfection while using this.

This works very well for good focus from 3ft outward, but it does
yield a darker background than I like due to the small aperture
setting.

Dark backgrounds are common and often unavoidable when using flash in darkened scenes with distant backgrounds, unless you use slow flash sync mode. Unfortunately, this mode is incompatible with this technique because the background (and maybe even part of the foreground) would end up with motion blur.

Slow sync is useful, for example, if you're shooting a flash portrait of a person late in the afternoon, and you want to prevent that beautiful sunset in the background from turning into a black sky. But it's impractical in cases where ambient lighting is very dark and where there is any motion involved, such as an indoor party scene.

Like you, I bought the G3 in large part for its fast
lens, so this really defeats the purpose when the AF isn't good
enough.

It doesn't defeat the purpose. The faster aperture does come in handy in many situations, and provides you with somewhat faster autofocus in any given situation that would be possible with a slower aperture. Just because it doesn't solve all your problems or save the day in every situation doesn't render it a useless feature.

Since you use 2 settings and always tout the faster lens of the G3,
I assume your settings would take better advantage of large
aperture settings, no? I don't mind having to switch between 2
custom settings depending on distance, if it allows use of larger
apertures to help expose the background.

My C1 setting is optimized for close shots - under 6 feet. I selected the smallest possible aperture (f8) to a) avoid flash overexposure at short range, and b) provide the maximum possible depth of field, and the largest possible focus zone.

My C2 setting is optimized for shots about 7 feet and beyond, and is limited to about 15 feet by the flash range, depending on the color of the subject. I used the largest possible aperture (f2) because a) I wanted maximum flash range, and b) at these distances depth of field is no longer critical.

The down sides are that the f8 and f2 apertures do not provide the best optical performance from the lens, which generally has the least diffraction and distortion at median apertures. But since this is merely a workaround to obtain snapshots under specific conditions, these are not critical issues.

 

[Vivek177237]

Can you tell the approx price for G3 in hong kong ? thanks.

Judging from the price trends of A20, then A40 and A70, I don't
think that A80 will hit the market at above $380, at least not in
Hoing Kong.

 

[Mike Hunt]

Av Mode
Slow Sync OFF
Flash ON
Focus MANUAL (preferably set by locking AF on a target at a
measured distance)

C1
aperture f2
focus 9 feet 9 inches
effective focus/flash range about 7.1 feet to 15 feet

C2
aperrture f8
focus 3 feet 4 inches
effective focus/flash range about 2.2 to 6.4 feet

Sorry, I got the focus distances reversed. Here are the corrected settings:

C1
aperture f2
focus 3 feet 4 inches
effective focus/flash range about 7.1 feet to 15 feet

C2
aperrture f8
focus 9 feet 9 inches
effective focus/flash range about 2.2 to 6.4 feet