Diff between CUSTOM and FUCTION buttons ?

[Steve110587]

the em1 mk2 will have them. The Pen F has them. The Pen manual is not clear to me. None of the discussions on the net touch base .. although possibly the custom buttons only are for the canned modes like Scene or assigning a filter ?

 

[addlightness]

On my PEN-F, I use C1-C3 like I did MySet1-3 on my EM10. This is similar to how I set up my U1-U2 on my Nikon dSLR.

Basically, C1-C4 replaces MySet1-4. They work better than MySet in my case.

FUNCTION buttons are singular in purpose whereas you can configure a bunch of settings and save them into C<n> like you'd do in MySet<n>. e.g. my C3 is same as my C1 except it's in HiRes mode.

 

[Steve110587]

soo...it sounds like they are the same thing !??.. lets say i set a myset to monochrome. I now assign that to my f1 button.

are you saying i can also set this to a custom button ? . isn't that the same then... create a bunch of settings and then set them to a function button OR a custom button ?

 

[Trevor Carpenter]

soo...it sounds like they are the same thing !??.. lets say i set a myset to monochrome. I now assign that to my f1 button.

are you saying i can also set this to a custom button ? . isn't that the same then... create a bunch of settings and then set them to a function button OR a custom button ?

Very different

Simplified explanation

Function buttons you can assign a menu function

Custom settings, you can assign a combination of camera settings

 

[Steve110587]

soo...it sounds like they are the same thing !??.. lets say i set a myset to monochrome. I now assign that to my f1 button.

are you saying i can also set this to a custom button ? . isn't that the same then... create a bunch of settings and then set them to a function button OR a custom button ?

Very different

Simplified explanation

Function buttons you can assign a menu function

Custom settings, you can assign a combination of camera settings

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ok.. i'm still missing something. say i set one of my function buttons as a 'street photo' setting.. i set a combination of camera settings.. like

high speed burst, auto iso set to very high for evening or dark street shots, aperture priority,and for the sake of example also choosing monochrome. I set all of those up in camera, and then save it to a myset,, which is then assigned to a function button. so my F1 is basically a combination of camera settings...

 

[addlightness]

soo...it sounds like they are the same thing !??.. lets say i set a myset to monochrome. I now assign that to my f1 button.

are you saying i can also set this to a custom button ? . isn't that the same then... create a bunch of settings and then set them to a function button OR a custom button ?

Very different

Simplified explanation

Function buttons you can assign a menu function

Custom settings, you can assign a combination of camera settings

 

[twenty200]

Mysets no longer exist. They've been replaced by Custom Modes on the mode dial.

Custom modes cannot be assigned to buttons. If you save your current setup to C1, you saved your current setup to C1 on the mode dial. It's as simple as that. There's no more Save it to a myset then assign it to a button or dial position. When you save your setup to C2, it'll be on C2 on the mode dial.

Mysets were great, but they were confusing because, if you assigned a myset to a button, you could end up with your camera in Shutter Priority (for example) even though the mode dial shows that you're in Aperture Priority.

Custom modes solve that madness. C1, C2, C3 are positions on the mode dial. If you save a setup to one of them, you'll find it on that spot on the mode dial.

 

[Steve110587]

FWIW, my F1 button is set to peaking across C1-C3. [My C4 is assigned to Scene]

ahh.. getting a little less foggy.

with Function buttons. if you change from F1 to F2 then all your F1 settings are replaced with your F2 settings.

So are you saying that if you set C1 to ISO =5000.

Then, pressing F1 followed by C1 would give you the iso 5000 with all the settings of F1 ?

ie : custom functions dont override your Function buttons..

p.s.

can you set a custom function to one of the scene modes ? or in your case does it bring up the whole scene menu ?

 

[Guy Parsons]

Mysets were great, but they were confusing because, if you assigned a myset to a button, you could end up with your camera in Shutter Priority (for example) even though the mode dial shows that you're in Aperture Priority.

MySets from E-PL5 onwards up until Pen-F worked well, but were confusing for some. So the simplified but less flexible Custom Modes evolved in the Pen-F.

On my E-PL5 I took advantage of that possible mode swap by assigning my regular everyday A mode setting to the A spot on the dial without stabilisation, then the same settings but enabling stabilisation (both IBIS and OIS so it switched with the lens) and assigned that to the S spot of the dial so for me the S now meant Stabilised. If I needed basic A or S modes then I used M, but didn't do that often. The screen always shows the 'A' and My2 even though the dial showed 'S' so there is no confusion.

That of course was dial assignments and not assigning to buttons, basically it was one or the other and the dial method worked best as the 4 MySets were easy to set up and assign to where you wanted on the dial, plus making a new dial top helps avoid confusion.

On E-P5 the IBIS was better and I leave it on all the time so made 4 basic A mode MySets for varying light and assigned them to iAuto/Art/Scene/PhotoStory so my dial really became like a possible Pen-F anyway and now was (in rotational order) a P/A/S/M/Video/A/A/A/A dial or more precisely P/A/S/M/Video/My4/My3/My2/My1 dial. Again no attempt to assign a MySet to a button, that method just never worked for me. I prefer the dial twist method.

So my E-P5 works the same as a Pen-F, if I make any change to a MySet then it automatically appears on its assigned dial spot.

Custom modes solve that madness. C1, C2, C3 are positions on the mode dial. If you save a setup to one of them, you'll find it on that spot on the mode dial.

Hardly madness , maybe simpler for some but you lose the ability to assign your custom settings to anywhere on the dial. Once you start using MySets on buttons then according the the model they had to hold the button to keep the MySet active, or later the press of the assigned button toggled the MySet. The dial assigned method for me was the only method that made sense, and that seems to be what has happened with Pen-F and E-M1ii.

Though some people definitely liked and used the MySet on a button so they could very quickly change setups in catching action shots, like needing one setup for bird on twig and another for bird in flight. No time to twiddle dials, the button assignment of a MySet works best in that case.

As for the OP question, I don't see any "Custom buttons" only "Function buttons", I need education on what is meant by a "Custom button". Have I missed something in the images of the cameras? I see the regular Function buttons that have always been there plus the E-M1ii C1-3 or Pen-F C1-4 mode dial spots.

Regards..... Guy

 

[addlightness]

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As for the OP question, I don't see any "Custom buttons" only "Function buttons", I need education on what is meant by a "Custom button". Have I missed something in the images of the cameras? I see the regular Function buttons that have always been there plus the E-M1ii C1-3 or Pen-F C1-4 mode dial spots.

OP was referring to C1-4 on the mode dial. There is no Custom buttons on PEN-F or EM1 Mkii.

 

[Steve110587]

Mysets no longer exist. They've been replaced by Custom Modes on the mode dial.

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the MKII EM1 still has function buttons.. they up to now have been assigned to mysets

 

[addlightness]

FWIW, my F1 button is set to peaking across C1-C3. [My C4 is assigned to Scene]

ahh.. getting a little less foggy.

with Function buttons. if you change from F1 to F2 then all your F1 settings are replaced with your F2 settings.

So are you saying that if you set C1 to ISO =5000.

Then, pressing F1 followed by C1 would give you the iso 5000 with all the settings of F1 ?

ie : custom functions dont override your Function buttons..

p.s.

can you set a custom function to one of the scene modes ? or in your case does it bring up the whole scene menu ?

Imagine each C<n> is a bag. And in each bag, you always have 'n' items/settings.

Let's say Bag1(C1) has a pair of flip-flop(footwear), a pair of bermuda shorts(pants), a t-shirt(shirt), a boxer brief(underwear).

Bag2(C2) has a pair of snow boots(footwear), a pair of ski pants(pants), a thick sweater(shirt), a long-john(underwear).

Bag3(C3) has ...

You configure/choose your footwear, pants, shirt and underwear depending on your 'mode' and assign them into different bags(C<n>) - C1 is for summer in Hawaii and C2 for winter in New York. You carry all your bags with you when you travel. But you'd turn your mode dial to C1 when you're in Hawaii (or any tropic islands) and to C2, etc.

But the items are the same - footwear, pants, shirt and underwear. But their settings are different - flip-flop vs snow shoes.

You can assign F1 to flip-flop before saving to C1 and F1 to snow boots before saving to C2. When your mode dial is set to C1, your F1 will point to flip-flop. In C2, your F1 will point to snow boots.

 

[Steve110587]

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As for the OP question, I don't see any "Custom buttons" only "Function buttons", I need education on what is meant by a "Custom button". Have I missed something in the images of the cameras? I see the regular Function buttons that have always been there plus the E-M1ii C1-3 or Pen-F C1-4 mode dial spots.

OP was referring to C1-4 on the mode dial. There is no Custom buttons on PEN-F or EM1 Mkii.

true, i was referring to the Cn buttons on the MODE dial.. as apposed to the Fn buttons.

 

[addlightness]

Mysets no longer exist. They've been replaced by Custom Modes on the mode dial.

 

[Steve110587]

Mysets no longer exist. They've been replaced by Custom Modes on the mode dial.

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the MKII EM1 still has function buttons.. they up to now have been assigned to mysets

Like the PEN-F, I suspect the new EM1 Mkii will no longer have MySets.

So the function buttons will work differently ?

 

[addlightness]

Mysets no longer exist. They've been replaced by Custom Modes on the mode dial.

--
http://twenty200.com ...this is the world, the way I see it.

the MKII EM1 still has function buttons.. they up to now have been assigned to mysets

Like the PEN-F, I suspect the new EM1 Mkii will no longer have MySets.

So the function buttons will work differently ?

No, they will work exactly as they have. Except you'll no longer be able to assign them to MySets(or C<n>) because that option is gone (in the Menu).

 

[Guy Parsons]

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As for the OP question, I don't see any "Custom buttons" only "Function buttons", I need education on what is meant by a "Custom button". Have I missed something in the images of the cameras? I see the regular Function buttons that have always been there plus the E-M1ii C1-3 or Pen-F C1-4 mode dial spots.

OP was referring to C1-4 on the mode dial. There is no Custom buttons on PEN-F or EM1 Mkii.

Thank you, that is what I suspected was the case, but wasn't sure if I had missed something in the announcements.

Though when you think about it, some nicely positioned set of buttons could switch Custom Modes far faster than dial twiddling, maybe Mark 3 or 4 will have that.

Or better (for screen only users like me), an optional set of touch screen buttons to change Custom Modes. Or no dial at all, just touch screen controls. Maybe I should go buy a smartphone.....

Regards..... Guy

 

[twenty200]

Like the PEN-F, I suspect the new EM1 Mkii will no longer have MySets.

So the function buttons will work differently ?

The function buttons work exactly the same. You can still assign all kinds of things to them - but not mysets, because there are no more mysets. For example, The Pen F has multiple customizable buttons, including fn buttons. And there's a long list of things you can assign to them.

 

[twenty200]

Though when you think about it, some nicely positioned set of buttons could switch Custom Modes far faster than dial twiddling, maybe Mark 3 or 4 will have that.

I agree completely - but the downside is, when you assign entire setups to a button, the mode dial no longer makes sense because you can have the mode dial set to Aperture Priority but have your camera actually be in Shutter Priority due to a myset assigned to a button. By changing Mysets to Custom Modes and having specific places for them on the mode dial, that confusion is eliminated. Now, the mode dial always shows what mode the camera is in: M / S / A / P / video, or a custom mode.

Also, there's less confusion for setup. With mysets, you saved a myset at one place in the menu and then, somewhere else in the menu system, you decided where you wanted the myset to be assigned... a button, a dial position?

Now, you save a setup to C1 and done. That setup is at C1 on the mode dial. Zero confusion. Or save it to C2. It's at C2 on the mode dial.

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[Trevor Carpenter]

FWIW, my F1 button is set to peaking across C1-C3. [My C4 is assigned to Scene]

ahh.. getting a little less foggy.

with Function buttons. if you change from F1 to F2 then all your F1 settings are replaced with your F2 settings.

So are you saying that if you set C1 to ISO =5000.

Then, pressing F1 followed by C1 would give you the iso 5000 with all the settings of F1 ?

ie : custom functions dont override your Function buttons..

p.s.

can you set a custom function to one of the scene modes ? or in your case does it bring up the whole scene menu ?

Imagine each C<n> is a bag. And in each bag, you always have 'n' items/settings.

Let's say Bag1(C1) has a pair of flip-flop(footwear), a pair of bermuda shorts(pants), a t-shirt(shirt), a boxer brief(underwear).

Bag2(C2) has a pair of snow boots(footwear), a pair of ski pants(pants), a thick sweater(shirt), a long-john(underwear).

Bag3(C3) has ...

You configure/choose your footwear, pants, shirt and underwear depending on your 'mode' and assign them into different bags(C<n>) - C1 is for summer in Hawaii and C2 for winter in New York. You carry all your bags with you when you travel. But you'd turn your mode dial to C1 when you're in Hawaii (or any tropic islands) and to C2, etc.

But the items are the same - footwear, pants, shirt and underwear. But their settings are different - flip-flop vs snow shoes.

You can assign F1 to flip-flop before saving to C1 and F1 to snow boots before saving to C2. When your mode dial is set to C1, your F1 will point to flip-flop. In C2, your F1 will point to snow boots.

Ah but what about equivalence. How many flip flops do I get for a pair of snow shoes and is that the same in m4/3s as in FF.