Steve McCurry: "How do you feel about adjusting your pictures?"

Found this 2015 interview of Steve McCurry where he's asked, "How do you feel about adjusting your pictures?" His response? "I believe that pictures should exactly reflect what you saw and experienced when you took the picture."

Yup!

Here's the video (this conversation from 7:00 - 7:32):

…NOT what the camera recorded.
Isn't it amazing how people keep not noticing that little, but very important, part of the quote?
Can you please specify the part you are talking about ?
Most certainly. See bold part.
"I believe that the picture should reflect exactly what you saw and experienced when you took the picture. I don't think you should have any adjustments in terms of photoshop kind of garnish colors and I want to just capture life as it is, without really interfering and I want to reflect reality actually."
He talks about what you, in other words the photographer, saw and experienced. Not what the camera recorded. And there is a heck of a difference, as human beings are notoriously bad witnesses of reality.
"How do you feel about adjusting your pictures, is it anything in this picture that you enhanced ? "

And you think he answers by telling me how I should do .. don't answer .

Honestly, it is not worth it Mike. McCurry has a tight stream of reporters waiting for a chat with him, at the moment he can't show his face at a public event without recieving questions about his "art" . He must respond in some way sooner or later. Nothing you or I post here can change this.

I wish McCurry good luck, he shot De Niro with the last roll of Kodachrome so he deserves some respect no matter what.
Does that help?

I read that quote as saying that he wants to faithfully reproduce what he saw and, notably, experienced. Life as it was, when he experienced it.

Regards, Mike

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Suppose photographer A crops out the officer after the photo is taken.

Photographer B zooms and find an angle that doesn't show the officer in the first place.

Is one less deceptive than the other?
Photography never tells the whole truth, and Photographer B is certainly choosing not to tell the whole truth. Photographer A is lying.

I'd rather wonder what's outside the frame than have to wonder what was (or wasn't) in the frame.
 
few ppl seek reality. Especially liberals.

Unless you are doing forensic work or similar, you need to adjust images to enhance what your camera recorded, which in itself can also be misleading.... light, shadows, colours ...all can be different than what your eyes saw after your brain interpreted it.

Do you want a lady to look like she got up in the early morning ?

No, and neither does she want that.
 
few ppl seek reality. Especially liberals.

Unless you are doing forensic work or similar, you need to adjust images to enhance what your camera recorded, which in itself can also be misleading.... light, shadows, colours ...all can be different than what your eyes saw after your brain interpreted it.

Do you want a lady to look like she got up in the early morning ?
That's what she sees when she looks in the mirror.
No, and neither does she want that.
How do you know that?
 
No problem editing your photos to reflect the subjective reality that prompted you to take the photo in the first place. The problem I have with it all is that if other people are editing the photos, then they should also be given credit for the photo. In other words, if the final photo was a team effort, the team should be given credit.

Now, some might take this to an extreme, saying something like, "If an aide carried your equipment which you might not have carried if you had to carry everything by yourself, should not your 'photo caddy' also be given credit?" I would argue, no, that is not necessary.
The list of people involved in the latest Star Wars offering was 10 minutes long. That's definitely taking it to far. I have absolutely no interest in knowing who was the secondary grips right hand cupholder. I don't even care about who the grip was.
I'm sending a link to your post to the grip. You'll regret saying that. ;-)
But I would argue that the people editing your photo should be given credit if the editing is creative in nature and not merely global "developing".

Just my opinion, of course, keeping in mind that you get what you pay for, and sometimes, not even that. ;-)
There is a long, long tradition in the arts for famous artists to have had assistants that actually did quite a lot of the work.

The difference lies, I think, in the freedom the assistants have. Are they working under the direction of the artist, and only under his direction, then I am not quite sure how much credit they should be given.

On the other hand, if they have freedom to follow their own artistic vision and goals (like the one with the chopped off leg and traffic sign :-) ), then they probably should be given credit for a collaborative work.
I don't disagree. If the people editing the photos are not creatively contributing to the photo, then no need to give them credit. However, if they are creatively contributing, credit should be given. This could be done as simply as saying, "Credit: Team McCurry", for example.
 
Found this 2015 interview of Steve McCurry where he's asked, "How do you feel about adjusting your pictures?" His response? "I believe that pictures should exactly reflect what you saw and experienced when you took the picture."

Yup!

Here's the video (this conversation from 7:00 - 7:32):

…NOT what the camera recorded.
Isn't it amazing how people keep not noticing that little, but very important, part of the quote?
Can you please specify the part you are talking about ?
Most certainly. See bold part.
"I believe that the picture should reflect exactly what you saw and experienced when you took the picture. I don't think you should have any adjustments in terms of photoshop kind of garnish colors and I want to just capture life as it is, without really interfering and I want to reflect reality actually."
He talks about what you, in other words the photographer, saw and experienced. Not what the camera recorded. And there is a heck of a difference, as human beings are notoriously bad witnesses of reality.
"How do you feel about adjusting your pictures, is it anything in this picture that you enhanced ? "

And you think he answers by telling me how I should do .. don't answer .
No, he is not telling you what you, specificly cookedraw or any other person distinct from him, what they should do. He is, rather, using 'you' to imply himself and others in general.

It's a very common way of using you in English, particularly for that kind of question.

And - for what it's worth - the way you, the specific cookedraw, are going on about what he is allowed to do and not allowed to do leaves you with absolutely zero standing to object to him telling you what to do. So not only are you interpreting a very common usage of 'you' wrong, were we to accept that (wrong) interpretation at face value, it should then have to considered hypocritical.

Sorry, no banana.
Honestly, it is not worth it Mike. McCurry has a tight stream of reporters waiting for a chat with him, at the moment he can't show his face at a public event without recieving questions about his "art" . He must respond in some way sooner or later. Nothing you or I post here can change this.
And aren't they, including you, aren't they just loving it?

The smell of blood, the baying hounds, the chase brought low, the huntsman triumphant, the prey dead and broken....

The witch hunt going on at the moment is nothing less than disgusting.

By the oh, so objective news people, who would never think about the news value - i.e. the public gorg ing itself on a story of the once mighty brought low - but only about truth and justice. Those who have of course never chosen a select word, a select angle of view to promote their view of the world.

No, they are the incarnation of objectivity itself.

Regards, Mike
 
The list of people involved in the latest Star Wars offering was 10 minutes long. That's definitely taking it to far. I have absolutely no interest in knowing who was the secondary grips right hand cupholder. I don't even care about who the grip was.
I'm sending a link to your post to the grip. You'll regret saying that. ;-)
Oh boy, oh boy - now I have stepped in it :-O

I can't even keep grips and gaffers apart. And it doesn't make it better that gaffer to me normally means something rather different.

Eh, who was it? And does the person have family I should worry about? ;-) :-)
I don't disagree. If the people editing the photos are not creatively contributing to the photo, then no need to give them credit. However, if they are creatively contributing, credit should be given. This could be done as simply as saying, "Credit: Team McCurry", for example.
That makes sense.

Regards, Mike
 
Suppose photographer A crops out the officer after the photo is taken.

Photographer B zooms and find an angle that doesn't show the officer in the first place.

Is one less deceptive than the other?
Photography never tells the whole truth, and Photographer B is certainly choosing not to tell the whole truth. Photographer A is lying.
Actually, both are lying by omission. The only difference is the point in time where they omit something.

Regards, Mike
 
Especially liberals.
I know it's election time in the US, where apparently everything has to be either librul or repugnical - but could we please keep politics out of this discussion?

It's dirty enough already, without adding another level of scumbagitis to the brew.
Regards, Mike
 
…what McCurry has done with a couple of his pictures that are being shown around.

Taking a figure out of the children's soccer picture. Nope. Kids games are supposed to be messy, chaotic, noisy, and include kids running themselves to exhaustion, particularly in the (warm) tropical rain. I think the picture loses impact by having one figure removed. I only wish I had a pic like this of my kids and the neighbors kids playing in similar circumstances. Oh dear, I must get out into the rain more. :)

Much the same goes for the cyclo-whatever pic. He has had a lot of work done to the background to empty the street. Huh? Aren't Indian streets supposed to be pretty busy places? That has removed appeal from the pic for me.

BUT the most important thing with that picture is he has removed two of the four passengers aboard the cyclo-whatsit. Why is the operator off the thing and pushing hard along the road? I actully asked that question in my head when I first saw the picture. A level road. Pushing? So hard but clearly not running? That;s wrong, I thought.

Then I saw the original. Ah! Light dawned! The poor bloke is doing struggling because the cyclo-whatsit is overloaded and he cannot pedal it with four people on it!

McCurry had killed the picture -- removing the very reason for it.

But for his personal pix he can change anything he likes.

I wonder about the Afghan girl picture and her eyes.

That was supposed to be photojournalism and as such should have been pretty clean. Was it?

I do care about stuff like that (I was a journalist for a long time).
 
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…what McCurry has done with a couple of his pictures that are being shown around.

Taking a figure out of the children's soccer picture. Nope. Kids games are supposed to be messy, chaotic, noisy, and include kids running themselves to exhaustion, particularly in the (warm) tropical rain. I think the picture loses impact by having one figure removed. I only wish I had a pic like this of my kids and the neighbors kids playing in similar circumstances. Oh dear, I must get out into the rain more. :)

Much the same goes for the cyclo-whatever pic. He has had a lot of work done to the background to empty the street. Huh? Aren't Indian streets supposed to be pretty busy places? That has removed appeal from the pic for me.

BUT the most important thing with that picture is he has removed two of the four passengers aboard the cyclo-whatsit. Why is the operator off the thing and pushing hard along the road? I actully asked that question in my head when I first saw the picture. A level road. Pushing? So hard but clearly not running? That;s wrong, I thought.

Then I saw the original. Ah! Light dawned! The poor bloke is doing struggling because the cyclo-whatsit is overloaded and he cannot pedal it with four people on it!
Rickshaw, probably :-)

I see what you mean. To me, the effect is opposite. Visually intruding elements are removed, and the message becomes clearer.

The next bit is getting a bit philosophical, and maybe tangential to some, but to me at the core of the whole brouhaha. So be warned :-)

The funny thing here is that you are reacting to what you think reality is supposed to be. You are applying a filter (see below). You actually don't know which of the images is the original.

Was something added or was something removed? It could be either. (*)

You judge that something was removed based on how you think these things in reality are supposed to be. So in end-effect you are interpreting reality.

Obviously, I concur that it is most likely that something was removed from the images. I've been to India, too :-) And Occam's razor says that removal is more likely than addition. But it is based on my idea, my memory of how it is there. And less on actual reality.

(*) closer examination of the image will likely reveal what actually was done - removal or addition. But that's not the point. The point is that you and I are using supposed to be as basis for our conclusions.
McCurry had killed the picture -- removing the very reason for it.

I do care about stuff like that (I was a journalist for a long time).
Now raise your hand and solemnly swear that as a journalist you ever only reported the sole, purely objective truth, that you never, ever selected from reality to show the world as you saw it? :-) :-) :-)

If you can do that, we need to get the Pope on the line immediately, because we have found a living saint, that rarest of beasts.

OK, a living saint is probably more in the bailiwick of the Dalai Lama but I am sure you get the gist...

And no, this is not an attack on your journalistic ethos. It is solely to point out that a human being cannot reproduce reality unfiltered. And neither can a camera.

Filters are there. They are unavoidable; they are built-in to the human cognitive apparatus. The true question is in recognising them.

To me it's clear that photo-journalists doing editorial work should be really, really careful not to distort reality. It is also clear - to me - that to reduce that to a near biblical thou shalt not manipulate your images after the shot falls short of what it is actually about. There is more to it. And a solely literal interpretation of the commandment is not the whole truth.

Regards, Mike
 
what we really need is photo sharing sites to evolve and filter images that have been photo-shopped to show the before and after .

that way muddy mc muddy face would have not got caught out .

as what is "real" those would be the photographs without elements added or removed via the clone tool .
 
what we really need is photo sharing sites to evolve and filter images that have been photo-shopped to show the before and after .

that way muddy mc muddy face would have not got caught out .

as what is "real" those would be the photographs without elements added or removed via the clone tool .
Clone tool ?

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original : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/t...ent-legendary-photographer-Steve-McCurry.html

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" Use the shutter button on the headset cord " - Leonardo Da Vinci
 
what we really need is photo sharing sites to evolve and filter images that have been photo-shopped to show the before and after .

that way muddy mc muddy face would have not got caught out .

as what is "real" those would be the photographs without elements added or removed via the clone tool .
Clone tool ?
yes its a function used to add or remove stuff from photographs to deceive the viewer
 
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what we really need is photo sharing sites to evolve and filter images that have been photo-shopped to show the before and after .
Perhaps...

I'd rather say that we need to think very carefully about what it means to represent reality.
that way muddy mc muddy face would have not got caught out .
????
as what is "real" those would be the photographs without elements added or removed via the clone tool .
Real photo, real capture - sure. But that is not so interesting.

Showing reality as it was when the frame was taken? Only in a rather limited sense.
  • Particular viewpoint in time and or space, which need nowhere at all be conformant with what was actually going on
  • Flat and not 3D - we don't live in Flatland, now do we?
  • What's hidden behind those obstructions - no chance to check in a photo
A photo is probably rather close to the best we can currently do - but it needs to be unadulterated both before and after the shot.

Regards, Mike
 
Is the result reduced contrast and blur ? I wonder what he did remove from the image above . Maybe it was litter, maybe it was a trashcan, maybe it was the sharia police...
 
what we really need is photo sharing sites to evolve and filter images that have been photo-shopped to show the before and after .
Perhaps...

I'd rather say that we need to think very carefully about what it means to represent reality.
that way muddy mc muddy face would have not got caught out .
????
as what is "real" those would be the photographs without elements added or removed via the clone tool .
Real photo, real capture - sure. But that is not so interesting.
well if your photos are not very interesting that you need to embellish them then fair enough .

but if a member of the public asks you did you photo-shop elements in or out ? they are not interested in your excuses as to why you did it . they are just interested in buying a real photograph and not graphic art .
 
Actually, both are lying by omission. The only difference is the point in time where they omit something.
I disagree. Failure to show everything isn't lying by omission, because it's never expected, nor even possible to show everything. Meanwhile, what is shown is "true" (in the sense that everything shown was present). The photo that omits by perspective simply says nothing about what's outside the frame, while the photo omits by manipulation is explicitly lying about what's in the frame.
 
Why follow HIS beliefs?

Do what YOU want...if you want a scene where there's Purple Rain Under a Blood Red Sky Under a Blanket of Blue snow, DO IT!
But that's not fair to the viewer who might believe there is purple rain, blood red skies and blue snow because most photo viewers believe everything they see in a photo is real.
If the image is targeted as being a work of art and not a reflection of reality, who would believe it was real, and why should I be limited to reality?
Or at least it seems many DPR posters have never heard of manipulating photos to create a better image. You're just supposed to push the button and print the jpg.
Who says you have to do this (and don't say Steve McCurry)? I understand if you're in journalism and HAVE to report what was shown, but I don't do that...for my PERSONAL photographs I CAN DO WHAT I WANT! I can create what MY artistic vision wants!

Anyway, it's not like photo manipulation is a new thing, it's been done since the dawn of photography. For instance the first HDR was done in the 1850's. Go to the following link and see some famous prints that were manipulated, including Abraham Lincoln from 1860, General Ulysses S. Grant from 1864, and other famous examples:

http://twistedsifter.com/2012/02/famously-doctored-photographs/
 
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what we really need is photo sharing sites to evolve and filter images that have been photo-shopped to show the before and after .
Perhaps...

I'd rather say that we need to think very carefully about what it means to represent reality.
that way muddy mc muddy face would have not got caught out .
????
as what is "real" those would be the photographs without elements added or removed via the clone tool .
Real photo, real capture - sure. But that is not so interesting.
well if your photos are not very interesting that you need to embellish them then fair enough .
You know very well that that was 'not so interesting' in the context of the discussion, not in the context of the photo, don't you?
but if a member of the public asks you did you photo-shop elements in or out ? they are not interested in your excuses as to why you did it . they are just interested in buying a real photograph and not graphic art .
And - drum roll - we are baaaack to the strict interpretation of the commandment, including the necessary witch hunts, as given by the guardian of the holy grail of the real (TM) photograph.

But we have been there before, haven't we? :-)

Regards, Mike
 

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