Smart phone vs Point & shoot.

[Ulric]

yip great shot, the lossless zoom is like having an optical zoom, still something that no other manufacturer offers...

Cropping is never lossless. It can be mitigated by cropping from a high resolution, but 10x "zoom" by cropping from 41 Mpx is still just 0,41 Mpx.

it doesn't crop, it zooms in on the sensor, go read about it, but cropping it aint...

It absolutely crops. It works exactly as I described above. If the 41 Mpx sensor is used to produce a 5 Mpx image, downsampling/pixel-binning is used to enhance resolution and reduce noise at 1x. Up to some limit, ~2.8 in this example, the crop is "lossless" in the sense that no upsampling is required, but IQ still suffers compared to 1x. Higher zoom levels require upsampling and is definitely not lossless.

It is lossless... Go read up many sites explain it, here is one example, it is lossless, http://pocketnow.com/2013/06/24/pureview-vs-galaxy-s-4-zoom

If you read the article, you'll find it confirms what I said: what is referred to as "lossless zoom" is in fact cropping without upsampling until ~3x.

Quote:

"The standard method available to virtually every smartphone is digital zoom. Many dedicated cameras do this to some extent, as well. Essentially, digital zoom does nothing more than crop and increase the size of the output image. For example, if the camera has an 8-megapixel sensor, digital zoom will blow-up a section of what’s in the viewfinder, and upscale. It’s no different than opening an image in a photo editor, cropping out the middle section and blowing the cropped section up to the dimensions of the original image.

[...]

What Nokia did, however, is use digital zoom but in a way the image data is not stretched and pixelated. Unlike a standard smartphone camera, which ranges from 4- to 13-megapixels, the 808 PureView comes with a massive 41-megapixel sensor. This allows the 808’s camera to capture a ton of digital image information at once – 38-megapixel’s worth, or a maximum resolution of 7,152 x 5,368 pixels.

Instead of upscaling images, if you use the 808 at the default 5-megapixels, you can achieve up to 3x digital lossless zoom."

 

[Jostian]

yip great shot, the lossless zoom is like having an optical zoom, still something that no other manufacturer offers...

Cropping is never lossless. It can be mitigated by cropping from a high resolution, but 10x "zoom" by cropping from 41 Mpx is still just 0,41 Mpx.

it doesn't crop, it zooms in on the sensor, go read about it, but cropping it aint...

It absolutely crops. It works exactly as I described above. If the 41 Mpx sensor is used to produce a 5 Mpx image, downsampling/pixel-binning is used to enhance resolution and reduce noise at 1x. Up to some limit, ~2.8 in this example, the crop is "lossless" in the sense that no upsampling is required, but IQ still suffers compared to 1x. Higher zoom levels require upsampling and is definitely not lossless.

It is lossless... Go read up many sites explain it, here is one example, it is lossless, http://pocketnow.com/2013/06/24/pureview-vs-galaxy-s-4-zoom

If you read the article, you'll find it confirms what I said: what is referred to as "lossless zoom" is in fact cropping without upsampling until ~3x.

Quote:

"The standard method available to virtually every smartphone is digital zoom. Many dedicated cameras do this to some extent, as well. Essentially, digital zoom does nothing more than crop and increase the size of the output image. For example, if the camera has an 8-megapixel sensor, digital zoom will blow-up a section of what’s in the viewfinder, and upscale. It’s no different than opening an image in a photo editor, cropping out the middle section and blowing the cropped section up to the dimensions of the original image.

[...]

What Nokia did, however, is use digital zoom but in a way the image data is not stretched and pixelated. Unlike a standard smartphone camera, which ranges from 4- to 13-megapixels, the 808 PureView comes with a massive 41-megapixel sensor. This allows the 808’s camera to capture a ton of digital image information at once – 38-megapixel’s worth, or a maximum resolution of 7,152 x 5,368 pixels.

Instead of upscaling images, if you use the 808 at the default 5-megapixels, you can achieve up to 3x digital lossless zoom."

Point taken Ulric, the cropping though happens on the sensor not into the image, that's why the IQ when using the zoom is so good (as good as optical) as the 808 then uses the surrounding pixels to gather more info, so at 5MP the camera is using groups of photosites (binned together to make much bigger photosite) thats why the IQ is so good even when using 5/8 MP.

Bigley is the 808 guru maybe he can explain it better.

 

[Stevan G]

yip great shot, the lossless zoom is like having an optical zoom, still something that no other manufacturer offers...

Cropping is never lossless. It can be mitigated by cropping from a high resolution, but 10x "zoom" by cropping from 41 Mpx is still just 0,41 Mpx.

it doesn't crop, it zooms in on the sensor, go read about it, but cropping it aint...

It absolutely crops. It works exactly as I described above. If the 41 Mpx sensor is used to produce a 5 Mpx image, downsampling/pixel-binning is used to enhance resolution and reduce noise at 1x. Up to some limit, ~2.8 in this example, the crop is "lossless" in the sense that no upsampling is required, but IQ still suffers compared to 1x. Higher zoom levels require upsampling and is definitely not lossless.

It is lossless... Go read up many sites explain it, here is one example, it is lossless, http://pocketnow.com/2013/06/24/pureview-vs-galaxy-s-4-zoom

If you read the article, you'll find it confirms what I said: what is referred to as "lossless zoom" is in fact cropping without upsampling until ~3x.

Quote:

"The standard method available to virtually every smartphone is digital zoom. Many dedicated cameras do this to some extent, as well. Essentially, digital zoom does nothing more than crop and increase the size of the output image. For example, if the camera has an 8-megapixel sensor, digital zoom will blow-up a section of what’s in the viewfinder, and upscale. It’s no different than opening an image in a photo editor, cropping out the middle section and blowing the cropped section up to the dimensions of the original image.

[...]

What Nokia did, however, is use digital zoom but in a way the image data is not stretched and pixelated. Unlike a standard smartphone camera, which ranges from 4- to 13-megapixels, the 808 PureView comes with a massive 41-megapixel sensor. This allows the 808’s camera to capture a ton of digital image information at once – 38-megapixel’s worth, or a maximum resolution of 7,152 x 5,368 pixels.

Instead of upscaling images, if you use the 808 at the default 5-megapixels, you can achieve up to 3x digital lossless zoom."

Point taken Ulric, the cropping though happens on the sensor not into the image, that's why the IQ when using the zoom is so good (as good as optical) as the 808 then uses the surrounding pixels to gather more info, so at 5MP the camera is using groups of photosites (binned together to make much bigger photosite) thats why the IQ is so good even when using 5/8 MP.

Bigley is the 808 guru maybe he can explain it better.

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Jostian

it's lossless in a way it doesn't lose any pixels e.g. it's 1:1 without upscaling, but the quality(details) is "lost" if you compare it to full res. without zoom or oversampled 5MP image without zoom

 

[bigley Ling]

yip great shot, the lossless zoom is like having an optical zoom, still something that no other manufacturer offers...

Cropping is never lossless. It can be mitigated by cropping from a high resolution, but 10x "zoom" by cropping from 41 Mpx is still just 0,41 Mpx.

it doesn't crop, it zooms in on the sensor, go read about it, but cropping it aint...

It absolutely crops. It works exactly as I described above. If the 41 Mpx sensor is used to produce a 5 Mpx image, downsampling/pixel-binning is used to enhance resolution and reduce noise at 1x. Up to some limit, ~2.8 in this example, the crop is "lossless" in the sense that no upsampling is required, but IQ still suffers compared to 1x. Higher zoom levels require upsampling and is definitely not lossless.

It is lossless... Go read up many sites explain it, here is one example, it is lossless, http://pocketnow.com/2013/06/24/pureview-vs-galaxy-s-4-zoom

If you read the article, you'll find it confirms what I said: what is referred to as "lossless zoom" is in fact cropping without upsampling until ~3x.

Quote:

"The standard method available to virtually every smartphone is digital zoom. Many dedicated cameras do this to some extent, as well. Essentially, digital zoom does nothing more than crop and increase the size of the output image. For example, if the camera has an 8-megapixel sensor, digital zoom will blow-up a section of what’s in the viewfinder, and upscale. It’s no different than opening an image in a photo editor, cropping out the middle section and blowing the cropped section up to the dimensions of the original image.

[...]

What Nokia did, however, is use digital zoom but in a way the image data is not stretched and pixelated. Unlike a standard smartphone camera, which ranges from 4- to 13-megapixels, the 808 PureView comes with a massive 41-megapixel sensor. This allows the 808’s camera to capture a ton of digital image information at once – 38-megapixel’s worth, or a maximum resolution of 7,152 x 5,368 pixels.

Instead of upscaling images, if you use the 808 at the default 5-megapixels, you can achieve up to 3x digital lossless zoom."

Point taken Ulric, the cropping though happens on the sensor not into the image, that's why the IQ when using the zoom is so good (as good as optical) as the 808 then uses the surrounding pixels to gather more info, so at 5MP the camera is using groups of photosites (binned together to make much bigger photosite) thats why the IQ is so good even when using 5/8 MP.

Bigley is the 808 guru maybe he can explain it better.

 

[Jostian]

yip great shot, the lossless zoom is like having an optical zoom, still something that no other manufacturer offers...

Cropping is never lossless. It can be mitigated by cropping from a high resolution, but 10x "zoom" by cropping from 41 Mpx is still just 0,41 Mpx.

it doesn't crop, it zooms in on the sensor, go read about it, but cropping it aint...

It absolutely crops. It works exactly as I described above. If the 41 Mpx sensor is used to produce a 5 Mpx image, downsampling/pixel-binning is used to enhance resolution and reduce noise at 1x. Up to some limit, ~2.8 in this example, the crop is "lossless" in the sense that no upsampling is required, but IQ still suffers compared to 1x. Higher zoom levels require upsampling and is definitely not lossless.

It is lossless... Go read up many sites explain it, here is one example, it is lossless, http://pocketnow.com/2013/06/24/pureview-vs-galaxy-s-4-zoom

If you read the article, you'll find it confirms what I said: what is referred to as "lossless zoom" is in fact cropping without upsampling until ~3x.

Quote:

"The standard method available to virtually every smartphone is digital zoom. Many dedicated cameras do this to some extent, as well. Essentially, digital zoom does nothing more than crop and increase the size of the output image. For example, if the camera has an 8-megapixel sensor, digital zoom will blow-up a section of what’s in the viewfinder, and upscale. It’s no different than opening an image in a photo editor, cropping out the middle section and blowing the cropped section up to the dimensions of the original image.

[...]

What Nokia did, however, is use digital zoom but in a way the image data is not stretched and pixelated. Unlike a standard smartphone camera, which ranges from 4- to 13-megapixels, the 808 PureView comes with a massive 41-megapixel sensor. This allows the 808’s camera to capture a ton of digital image information at once – 38-megapixel’s worth, or a maximum resolution of 7,152 x 5,368 pixels.

Instead of upscaling images, if you use the 808 at the default 5-megapixels, you can achieve up to 3x digital lossless zoom."

Point taken Ulric, the cropping though happens on the sensor not into the image, that's why the IQ when using the zoom is so good (as good as optical) as the 808 then uses the surrounding pixels to gather more info, so at 5MP the camera is using groups of photosites (binned together to make much bigger photosite) thats why the IQ is so good even when using 5/8 MP.

Bigley is the 808 guru maybe he can explain it better.

 

[markyboy81]

yip great shot, the lossless zoom is like having an optical zoom, still something that no other manufacturer offers...

Cropping is never lossless. It can be mitigated by cropping from a high resolution, but 10x "zoom" by cropping from 41 Mpx is still just 0,41 Mpx.

it doesn't crop, it zooms in on the sensor, go read about it, but cropping it aint...

It absolutely crops. It works exactly as I described above. If the 41 Mpx sensor is used to produce a 5 Mpx image, downsampling/pixel-binning is used to enhance resolution and reduce noise at 1x. Up to some limit, ~2.8 in this example, the crop is "lossless" in the sense that no upsampling is required, but IQ still suffers compared to 1x. Higher zoom levels require upsampling and is definitely not lossless.

It is lossless... Go read up many sites explain it, here is one example, it is lossless, http://pocketnow.com/2013/06/24/pureview-vs-galaxy-s-4-zoom

If you read the article, you'll find it confirms what I said: what is referred to as "lossless zoom" is in fact cropping without upsampling until ~3x.

Quote:

"The standard method available to virtually every smartphone is digital zoom. Many dedicated cameras do this to some extent, as well. Essentially, digital zoom does nothing more than crop and increase the size of the output image. For example, if the camera has an 8-megapixel sensor, digital zoom will blow-up a section of what’s in the viewfinder, and upscale. It’s no different than opening an image in a photo editor, cropping out the middle section and blowing the cropped section up to the dimensions of the original image.

[...]

What Nokia did, however, is use digital zoom but in a way the image data is not stretched and pixelated. Unlike a standard smartphone camera, which ranges from 4- to 13-megapixels, the 808 PureView comes with a massive 41-megapixel sensor. This allows the 808’s camera to capture a ton of digital image information at once – 38-megapixel’s worth, or a maximum resolution of 7,152 x 5,368 pixels.

Instead of upscaling images, if you use the 808 at the default 5-megapixels, you can achieve up to 3x digital lossless zoom."

Point taken Ulric, the cropping though happens on the sensor not into the image, that's why the IQ when using the zoom is so good (as good as optical) as the 808 then uses the surrounding pixels to gather more info, so at 5MP the camera is using groups of photosites (binned together to make much bigger photosite) thats why the IQ is so good even when using 5/8 MP.

Bigley is the 808 guru maybe he can explain it better.

 

[Ulric]

yip great shot, the lossless zoom is like having an optical zoom, still something that no other manufacturer offers...

Cropping is never lossless. It can be mitigated by cropping from a high resolution, but 10x "zoom" by cropping from 41 Mpx is still just 0,41 Mpx.

it doesn't crop, it zooms in on the sensor, go read about it, but cropping it aint...

It absolutely crops. It works exactly as I described above. If the 41 Mpx sensor is used to produce a 5 Mpx image, downsampling/pixel-binning is used to enhance resolution and reduce noise at 1x. Up to some limit, ~2.8 in this example, the crop is "lossless" in the sense that no upsampling is required, but IQ still suffers compared to 1x. Higher zoom levels require upsampling and is definitely not lossless.

It is lossless... Go read up many sites explain it, here is one example, it is lossless, http://pocketnow.com/2013/06/24/pureview-vs-galaxy-s-4-zoom

If you read the article, you'll find it confirms what I said: what is referred to as "lossless zoom" is in fact cropping without upsampling until ~3x.

Quote:

"The standard method available to virtually every smartphone is digital zoom. Many dedicated cameras do this to some extent, as well. Essentially, digital zoom does nothing more than crop and increase the size of the output image. For example, if the camera has an 8-megapixel sensor, digital zoom will blow-up a section of what’s in the viewfinder, and upscale. It’s no different than opening an image in a photo editor, cropping out the middle section and blowing the cropped section up to the dimensions of the original image.

[...]

What Nokia did, however, is use digital zoom but in a way the image data is not stretched and pixelated. Unlike a standard smartphone camera, which ranges from 4- to 13-megapixels, the 808 PureView comes with a massive 41-megapixel sensor. This allows the 808’s camera to capture a ton of digital image information at once – 38-megapixel’s worth, or a maximum resolution of 7,152 x 5,368 pixels.

Instead of upscaling images, if you use the 808 at the default 5-megapixels, you can achieve up to 3x digital lossless zoom."

Point taken Ulric, the cropping though happens on the sensor not into the image, that's why the IQ when using the zoom is so good (as good as optical) as the 808 then uses the surrounding pixels to gather more info, so at 5MP the camera is using groups of photosites (binned together to make much bigger photosite) thats why the IQ is so good even when using 5/8 MP.

Bigley is the 808 guru maybe he can explain it better.

 

[Jostian]

yip great shot, the lossless zoom is like having an optical zoom, still something that no other manufacturer offers...

Cropping is never lossless. It can be mitigated by cropping from a high resolution, but 10x "zoom" by cropping from 41 Mpx is still just 0,41 Mpx.

it doesn't crop, it zooms in on the sensor, go read about it, but cropping it aint...

It absolutely crops. It works exactly as I described above. If the 41 Mpx sensor is used to produce a 5 Mpx image, downsampling/pixel-binning is used to enhance resolution and reduce noise at 1x. Up to some limit, ~2.8 in this example, the crop is "lossless" in the sense that no upsampling is required, but IQ still suffers compared to 1x. Higher zoom levels require upsampling and is definitely not lossless.

It is lossless... Go read up many sites explain it, here is one example, it is lossless, http://pocketnow.com/2013/06/24/pureview-vs-galaxy-s-4-zoom

If you read the article, you'll find it confirms what I said: what is referred to as "lossless zoom" is in fact cropping without upsampling until ~3x.

Quote:

"The standard method available to virtually every smartphone is digital zoom. Many dedicated cameras do this to some extent, as well. Essentially, digital zoom does nothing more than crop and increase the size of the output image. For example, if the camera has an 8-megapixel sensor, digital zoom will blow-up a section of what’s in the viewfinder, and upscale. It’s no different than opening an image in a photo editor, cropping out the middle section and blowing the cropped section up to the dimensions of the original image.

[...]

What Nokia did, however, is use digital zoom but in a way the image data is not stretched and pixelated. Unlike a standard smartphone camera, which ranges from 4- to 13-megapixels, the 808 PureView comes with a massive 41-megapixel sensor. This allows the 808’s camera to capture a ton of digital image information at once – 38-megapixel’s worth, or a maximum resolution of 7,152 x 5,368 pixels.

Instead of upscaling images, if you use the 808 at the default 5-megapixels, you can achieve up to 3x digital lossless zoom."

Point taken Ulric, the cropping though happens on the sensor not into the image, that's why the IQ when using the zoom is so good (as good as optical) as the 808 then uses the surrounding pixels to gather more info, so at 5MP the camera is using groups of photosites (binned together to make much bigger photosite) thats why the IQ is so good even when using 5/8 MP.

Bigley is the 808 guru maybe he can explain it better.

 

[Stevan G]

yip great shot, the lossless zoom is like having an optical zoom, still something that no other manufacturer offers...

Cropping is never lossless. It can be mitigated by cropping from a high resolution, but 10x "zoom" by cropping from 41 Mpx is still just 0,41 Mpx.

it doesn't crop, it zooms in on the sensor, go read about it, but cropping it aint...

It absolutely crops. It works exactly as I described above. If the 41 Mpx sensor is used to produce a 5 Mpx image, downsampling/pixel-binning is used to enhance resolution and reduce noise at 1x. Up to some limit, ~2.8 in this example, the crop is "lossless" in the sense that no upsampling is required, but IQ still suffers compared to 1x. Higher zoom levels require upsampling and is definitely not lossless.

It is lossless... Go read up many sites explain it, here is one example, it is lossless, http://pocketnow.com/2013/06/24/pureview-vs-galaxy-s-4-zoom

If you read the article, you'll find it confirms what I said: what is referred to as "lossless zoom" is in fact cropping without upsampling until ~3x.

Quote:

"The standard method available to virtually every smartphone is digital zoom. Many dedicated cameras do this to some extent, as well. Essentially, digital zoom does nothing more than crop and increase the size of the output image. For example, if the camera has an 8-megapixel sensor, digital zoom will blow-up a section of what’s in the viewfinder, and upscale. It’s no different than opening an image in a photo editor, cropping out the middle section and blowing the cropped section up to the dimensions of the original image.

[...]

What Nokia did, however, is use digital zoom but in a way the image data is not stretched and pixelated. Unlike a standard smartphone camera, which ranges from 4- to 13-megapixels, the 808 PureView comes with a massive 41-megapixel sensor. This allows the 808’s camera to capture a ton of digital image information at once – 38-megapixel’s worth, or a maximum resolution of 7,152 x 5,368 pixels.

Instead of upscaling images, if you use the 808 at the default 5-megapixels, you can achieve up to 3x digital lossless zoom."

Point taken Ulric, the cropping though happens on the sensor not into the image, that's why the IQ when using the zoom is so good (as good as optical) as the 808 then uses the surrounding pixels to gather more info, so at 5MP the camera is using groups of photosites (binned together to make much bigger photosite) thats why the IQ is so good even when using 5/8 MP.

Bigley is the 808 guru maybe he can explain it better.

 

[Jostian]

yip great shot, the lossless zoom is like having an optical zoom, still something that no other manufacturer offers...

Cropping is never lossless. It can be mitigated by cropping from a high resolution, but 10x "zoom" by cropping from 41 Mpx is still just 0,41 Mpx.

it doesn't crop, it zooms in on the sensor, go read about it, but cropping it aint...

It absolutely crops. It works exactly as I described above. If the 41 Mpx sensor is used to produce a 5 Mpx image, downsampling/pixel-binning is used to enhance resolution and reduce noise at 1x. Up to some limit, ~2.8 in this example, the crop is "lossless" in the sense that no upsampling is required, but IQ still suffers compared to 1x. Higher zoom levels require upsampling and is definitely not lossless.

It is lossless... Go read up many sites explain it, here is one example, it is lossless, http://pocketnow.com/2013/06/24/pureview-vs-galaxy-s-4-zoom

If you read the article, you'll find it confirms what I said: what is referred to as "lossless zoom" is in fact cropping without upsampling until ~3x.

Quote:

"The standard method available to virtually every smartphone is digital zoom. Many dedicated cameras do this to some extent, as well. Essentially, digital zoom does nothing more than crop and increase the size of the output image. For example, if the camera has an 8-megapixel sensor, digital zoom will blow-up a section of what’s in the viewfinder, and upscale. It’s no different than opening an image in a photo editor, cropping out the middle section and blowing the cropped section up to the dimensions of the original image.

[...]

What Nokia did, however, is use digital zoom but in a way the image data is not stretched and pixelated. Unlike a standard smartphone camera, which ranges from 4- to 13-megapixels, the 808 PureView comes with a massive 41-megapixel sensor. This allows the 808’s camera to capture a ton of digital image information at once – 38-megapixel’s worth, or a maximum resolution of 7,152 x 5,368 pixels.

Instead of upscaling images, if you use the 808 at the default 5-megapixels, you can achieve up to 3x digital lossless zoom."

Point taken Ulric, the cropping though happens on the sensor not into the image, that's why the IQ when using the zoom is so good (as good as optical) as the 808 then uses the surrounding pixels to gather more info, so at 5MP the camera is using groups of photosites (binned together to make much bigger photosite) thats why the IQ is so good even when using 5/8 MP.

Bigley is the 808 guru maybe he can explain it better.

 

[Ulric]

It does however reduce the effective sensor size, which has the same effect.

not sure on that cos instead of having a 5 MP tiny sensor with tiny photosites the photosites on the 808 while using 5MP will be massive (pixel binning) as they combine with those around to form much larger photosites so the light and detail gathering while in 5MP mode (or 2 or 8) will be much more. Bigley again can clarify I think.

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Jostian

but not if you use zoom, then you have sensor cropping thus not whole sensor is used only a part

zoom on 808 is basically like taking full res picture and cropping it

no its not it uses the whole sensor for each of the 38, 8, 5 and 3 MP settings, see this image http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/images/features/misc/808_sensor_px_size_3MP.jpg and here http://image.slidesharecdn.com/nokia808-140115222159-phpapp01/95/nokia-808-4-638.jpg?cb=1389824696 with oversampling the whole sensor is used even at 3mp its just that at the 3MP setting 12 odd photosites (of the original 38 mp sensor) are combined to form 1 photosite, (superpixel) in effect.

It uses the whole sensor at 1x zoom. At all but the 38 MP setting, oversampling is used to enhance resolution and reduce noise.

At 2x zoom, 1/(2*2) = 1/4 of the sensor is used. Still oversampling, but from a smaller area, resulting in reduced resolution and increased noise.

At 3x zoom, 1/(3*3) = 1/9 of the sensor is used. Still oversampling for the 3 MP mode, but not for 5 or above. Resolution is further reduced and noise increased.

The only way to zoom and still use the whole sensor is to use optics, as on the Samsung Galaxy K Zoom. The Nokia is far superior to the Samsung at 1x, but at 10x the Samsung still uses the whole sensor while the Nokia would be left with only 1/(10*10) = 1/100 of the sensor.

 

[RickBuddy]

I've noticed that on this thread that people whose posts include a mention of owning a smart phone do not list their smart phone on their gear list.

I'm not criticizing, I'm curious.

Rick

 

[Jostian]

It does however reduce the effective sensor size, which has the same effect.

not sure on that cos instead of having a 5 MP tiny sensor with tiny photosites the photosites on the 808 while using 5MP will be massive (pixel binning) as they combine with those around to form much larger photosites so the light and detail gathering while in 5MP mode (or 2 or 8) will be much more. Bigley again can clarify I think.

 

[A620er]

I've noticed that on this thread that people whose posts include a mention of owning a smart phone do not list their smart phone on their gear list.

I'm not criticizing, I'm curious.

I do

Paul

 

[Stevan G]

It does however reduce the effective sensor size, which has the same effect.

not sure on that cos instead of having a 5 MP tiny sensor with tiny photosites the photosites on the 808 while using 5MP will be massive (pixel binning) as they combine with those around to form much larger photosites so the light and detail gathering while in 5MP mode (or 2 or 8) will be much more. Bigley again can clarify I think.

 

[bigley Ling]

It does however reduce the effective sensor size, which has the same effect.

not sure on that cos instead of having a 5 MP tiny sensor with tiny photosites the photosites on the 808 while using 5MP will be massive (pixel binning) as they combine with those around to form much larger photosites so the light and detail gathering while in 5MP mode (or 2 or 8) will be much more. Bigley again can clarify I think.