V1 Auto WB Test(imgs)

[Giuseppe D'Agata]

Hi,

these are two images that proves (IMO) the auto white balance fault of my V1. What to you think? Is enought to ask for a replacement?

Original images



Leveled in PS



Original images should be download from my pbase account.
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Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

 

[Gene Miller77510]

I would say yes. My V1 in auto WB works great. So far I have not had any trouble. I would say you need to demand that Sony do something for you. Let us all know what happens. From what I have gathered from this site, that most V1 owners are not having problems, so I guess it may be isolated. But that doesn't matter because if all your outdoor shots from your V1 is coming out like that, then it must be defective. Good luck.

Hi,
these are two images that proves (IMO) the auto white balance fault
of my V1. What to you think? Is enought to ask for a replacement?

Original images



Leveled in PS



Original images should be download from my pbase account.
--
Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

--
C700uz, E100rs, V1, i950
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Life is just a stage and we all have enough pictures to proof it!

 

[Giuseppe D'Agata]

Gene,

not all the foto coming out so bad, only if you shots in indirect sun light condiction. Can you make some test to be sure that in the same condiction you camera produce better images?

Aniway, I send an email to sony technical support.

I would say yes. My V1 in auto WB works great. So far I have not
had any trouble. I would say you need to demand that Sony do
something for you. Let us all know what happens. From what I have
gathered from this site, that most V1 owners are not having
problems, so I guess it may be isolated. But that doesn't matter
because if all your outdoor shots from your V1 is coming out like
that, then it must be defective. Good luck.

--
Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

 

[Jose Noway]

I'm not positive, but this doesn't seem like a white balance problem-- more like your original was just a bit underexposed.

Nancy

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Hi,
these are two images that proves (IMO) the auto white balance fault
of my V1. What to you think? Is enought to ask for a replacement?

Original images
http://image.pbase.com/u30/waveform/medium/19006289.DSC00213.jp

Leveled in PS
http://image.pbase.com/u30/waveform/medium/19006564.DSC00189_PSlevels.jp

Original images should be download from my pbase account.
--
Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

 

[Giuseppe D'Agata]

Doy you think that more exposer should reduce white balance problem?

I'm not positive, but this doesn't seem like a white balance
problem-- more like your original was just a bit underexposed.

Nancy

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Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

 

[Jose Noway]

Honestly, I hadn't realized there was a big white balance dilemma with the V1 until after I posted my response. I've since read a couple of threads where it is apparent that some people are experiencing these problems.

In your case, it's hard to tell with this one photo. I just know that if you only used Levels to correct the problem, then it would seem to me that white balance wasn't the problem. So, yes, with this photo, more exposure would have helped I think.

Nancy

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I'm not positive, but this doesn't seem like a white balance
problem-- more like your original was just a bit underexposed.

Nancy

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Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

--

Where's the edit button around here?

 

[Giuseppe D'Agata]

I apply Auto levels and auto colors.

The difference between the original and the modified one seems too strong to be addressed only with exposure variation.

In your case, it's hard to tell with this one photo. I just know
that if you only used Levels to correct the problem, then it would
seem to me that white balance wasn't the problem. So, yes, with
this photo, more exposure would have helped I think.

Nancy

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I'm not positive, but this doesn't seem like a white balance
problem-- more like your original was just a bit underexposed.

Nancy

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Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

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Where's the edit button around here?

--
Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

 

[Netorah]

Regardles of what changes you got from PS auto-levels or auto-color, which of the two photos is closer to what you actually saw when you took the picture. The second one is more neutral and well exposed yes, but I have a hard time beliieving those colors. The first one is how I would think it actualy looked, but only you know that for sure.

 

[Giuseppe D'Agata]

The statue is definitivelly white marble not blue marble.

Regardles of what changes you got from PS auto-levels or
auto-color, which of the two photos is closer to what you actually
saw when you took the picture. The second one is more neutral and
well exposed yes, but I have a hard time beliieving those colors.
The first one is how I would think it actualy looked, but only you
know that for sure.

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Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

 

[JohnK]

IMHO I would not make a judgement based on this sample picture. It's taken in bad light. Take a few more, in sunlight, with the sun at your back, in early morning or late afternoon, then see what you think. BTW, if you are really serious about your images, then manual WB is the best choice in nearly every case. Auto WB and the presets are always compromises.

Hi,
these are two images that proves (IMO) the auto white balance fault
of my V1. What to you think? Is enought to ask for a replacement?

Original images



Leveled in PS



Original images should be download from my pbase account.
--
Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

--
JohnK

 

[Ulysses]

gmdv -

I agree that the V1 has some issues with Auto wb. However, most cameras do. That's because Auto wb is more of a one-size-fits-all type of effort on the camera's part.

To really demonstrate whether or not you have an issue, you need to take a test both in Auto wb, and then with the custom One-push wb method, as described in the user manual. Compare the results from those.

We have no way of knowing what a truly "neutral" white balance looks like. And we can't really trust your editing efforts with Photoshop since we don't know what the scene originally looked like in real life. To be honest, your editing job still looks a bit warm. That could be due to the time of day, or it may be your monitor affecting the editing job, or any number of reasons.

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Ulysses

 

[quatsino]

Blue cast in my DSC V1 is definitely a problem for Auto and Daylight
settings on a bright sunny day. I definitely don't think the under
exposure or poor angle of the sun is the reason. These pictures
that I posted a few days ago show good exposures in good sunlight,
and you can tell from the blue rather than dark gray pavement, (the
pavement is definitely not blue in real life!!). Also you are all
familiar with the light tan colour of Honda Civics. The colours are
better in the One Push setting for sure.

Here's the pictures: http://www3.telus.net/quatsino/

Robert

 

[Giuseppe D'Agata]

JohnK , Ulysses

I perfectly understand, in a couple of days I'll try to do a serious white balance test. I do about 40 shots when I was in Grenoble recently and a lot of shots presents (more or less) the blue cast, probably due to the fact the most of this shots was taken at sunset, a difficult light condiction for digital camera.
If I take picture in bright sunlight they are perfect, simply wonderful!

gmdv -

I agree that the V1 has some issues with Auto wb. However, most
cameras do. That's because Auto wb is more of a one-size-fits-all
type of effort on the camera's part.

To really demonstrate whether or not you have an issue, you need to
take a test both in Auto wb, and then with the custom One-push wb
method, as described in the user manual. Compare the results from
those.

We have no way of knowing what a truly "neutral" white balance
looks like. And we can't really trust your editing efforts with
Photoshop since we don't know what the scene originally looked like
in real life. To be honest, your editing job still looks a bit
warm. That could be due to the time of day, or it may be your
monitor affecting the editing job, or any number of reasons.

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Ulysses

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Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

 

[Giuseppe D'Agata]

Robers,
seems that you do the test form me, and for all of V1 owners.
Now seams clear that V1 have some White Balance problem, questions are
1. Are all the V1 affected by the same problem?
2. How does it fix? Sony?

Blue cast in my DSC V1 is definitely a problem for Auto and Daylight
settings on a bright sunny day. I definitely don't think the under
exposure or poor angle of the sun is the reason. These pictures
that I posted a few days ago show good exposures in good sunlight,
and you can tell from the blue rather than dark gray pavement, (the
pavement is definitely not blue in real life!!). Also you are all
familiar with the light tan colour of Honda Civics. The colours are
better in the One Push setting for sure.

Here's the pictures: http://www3.telus.net/quatsino/

Robert

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Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

 

[ZMK]

Im a newbie in the digicam world so Im probably wrong, but is it possible that the Beach Program, which should and probably do strengthen blues, affect the Full Auto (=> Auto WB) settings? caouse Im sure that sky looks better with that blue cast, so maybe V1 thinks that u are on the beach while taking pictures in these condtitions and automatically switchs itself to the beach mode...

Hi,
these are two images that proves (IMO) the auto white balance fault
of my V1. What to you think? Is enought to ask for a replacement?

Original images



Leveled in PS



Original images should be download from my pbase account.
--
Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

 

[Giuseppe D'Agata]

No, I take shots in "P" Mode

Hi,
these are two images that proves (IMO) the auto white balance fault
of my V1. What to you think? Is enought to ask for a replacement?

--
Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

 

[Giuseppe D'Agata]

Hi,

Sony send me an email, unfortunatelly I can't post it for Sony policy reason, but the core of the emails says that the V1 white balance behaviour is normal, and to fix the problem I have to change the WB mode.

It seams unacceptable to me, what do you think?

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Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

 

[TurboTed]

I say that every camera I have owned might have interpreted this scene in the same way that your V1 did and that includes my camcorders. You are shooting subjects in the shade with a blue sky. It seems to me that the cast would be blue. You may not want it to be blue, your eyes will adjust it to be what you see but the fact is that it was blue and your camera recorded it as such. In my experience, there seems to be some unknown threshold where the camera will all of the sudden decide, "Hey, this is too blue, lets change it". It appears the threshold on the V1 is higher maybe than other cameras, but I don't know that it is out of Sony's intended range and that Sony will do anything about it.

Having said all that, I could be totally wrong and you might want to send the camera back to have it replaced or looked at. It usually is the experienced user who has can make the decision like this, not a forum looking at one of your pictures.

Hi,
these are two images that proves (IMO) the auto white balance fault
of my V1. What to you think? Is enought to ask for a replacement?

Original images



Leveled in PS



Original images should be download from my pbase account.
--
Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform

--
TurboTed

(It's easier just being insane than acting insane)

 

[Jose Noway]

The statue is definitivelly white marble not blue marble.

 

[ZMK]

actually for me it doesnt matter what program did u use. I still consider the BeachProgram, which I gues is not only the WB preset, to be the fault of that blue cast... The conditions are similar to those which u can meet on the beach so v1s auto wb probably finds it obvious to strengthen the blues... However, I might be wrong, please next time when u will taking shots in such conditions take the trouble and make 2 additional shots (OnePush, AutoWB and Beach) I believe that at least two of them wont differ a lot from each other ;>

Hi,
these are two images that proves (IMO) the auto white balance fault
of my V1. What to you think? Is enought to ask for a replacement?

--
Giuseppe
Sony Cyber-shot DSC-V1
http://www.pbase.com/waveform