Mac Mini Performance

What's missing in the Apple range of products is an 'affordable' tower that you can open easily, add stuff like SSD, GPU, RAM and so on.
Agreed, and I've complained about that in the past, but Apple seems to be deaf to their users.
They're not deaf at all. Most users never upgrade. Why pay for slots or upgradability when it will never be used? There's little point in that. Apple used to sell minitowers but they didn't sell all that well.
Well, in regards to the mini, many people bought them because they were easy to upgrade. I know a few mini users who have now passed on upgrading to the new mini.

You're right though that Apple is not deaf. They just don't care. Just like they don't care to fix the many broken things in iOS 8.
 
When I upgraded the RAM on my former iMac 24”, Snow Leopard, from 4 to 8 GB I saw hardly any difference. Applications as well as the System would unabashedly spread in the memory and clog the 8 GB just as they did with the 4 GB (checked in Activity Monitor).
If you install more memory, it will get used. That's the whole point. That's not clogging. That's using what's available.
I installed 16 GB on my new Mini, with Mavericks, and it's basically the same thing with practically the same number of open applications. Mavericks loads dozens of utilities one wonders what they are really for. Many applications, like Firefox, don't free the memory they don't use anymore when you close windows. DxO OpticsPro does the same. kernel_task is currently occupying 2.37 GB. It's regularly 4GB and sometimes 8GB.
My feeling is that when applications and the OS see free memory they just rush on it. As a result some applications are slowed and sometimes crash, freeze or won't start.
Apps that crash have bugs and likely not a memory issue.
One solution is to quit applications you don't use but you have to restart them later and it's cumbersome.
Not normally needed.
To me there are applications that have a responsible citizen's behavior, they take the RAM space they need and then roll it back when they don't use it anymore. Same thing on the HD with their caches, their hidden files and so on.
Other apps are careless and selfish, they take as much space as they can find and never free it. OS X is one of them.
OS X and apps release memory they no longer need, but that doesn't mean the released memory becomes free memory. Free memory is wasted memory. You want as little free memory as possible. Released memory is inactive, and if another app needs memory, it will immediately be reallocated.
Yep.
 
What's missing in the Apple range of products is an 'affordable' tower that you can open easily, add stuff like SSD, GPU, RAM and so on.
Agreed, and I've complained about that in the past, but Apple seems to be deaf to their users.
They're not deaf at all. Most users never upgrade. Why pay for slots or upgradability when it will never be used? There's little point in that. Apple used to sell minitowers but they didn't sell all that well.
I find it hard to believe that a headless Mac that's in between the Pro and Mini wouldn't sell. Mac towers of the past didn't sell because they weren't that good. But a Mac "Midi" with upgradable components, not necessarily slots (like anyone uses them anymore...) would be very desirable. How about a PC in the Pro form factor that uses the iMac guts? Not everyone needs all the video processing power. Or Xeons.
There was a market for the previously more upgradeable mini but I doubt a tower as you describe between the mini and Pro would be much of a success. That area is the iMac's domain, as Apple wants it. Most people never upgrade their computers anyway before they end up getting a new one.
 
What's missing in the Apple range of products is an 'affordable' tower that you can open easily, add stuff like SSD, GPU, RAM and so on.
Agreed, and I've complained about that in the past, but Apple seems to be deaf to their users.
They're not deaf at all. Most users never upgrade. Why pay for slots or upgradability when it will never be used? There's little point in that. Apple used to sell minitowers but they didn't sell all that well.
I find it hard to believe that a headless Mac that's in between the Pro and Mini wouldn't sell. Mac towers of the past didn't sell because they weren't that good. But a Mac "Midi" with upgradable components, not necessarily slots (like anyone uses them anymore...) would be very desirable. How about a PC in the Pro form factor that uses the iMac guts? Not everyone needs all the video processing power. Or Xeons.
Not enough to justify another model.

The mini is a very capable machine, as is the iMac. They both come with most stuff people want already built in, and with Thunderbolt, they are expandable. It basically boils down to do you want an all-in-one or not.

Also keep in mind that the vast majority of Macs sold are MacBooks, not desktops. A 'Mac midi' is a shrinking market. The future is in mobile.
 
What's missing in the Apple range of products is an 'affordable' tower that you can open easily, add stuff like SSD, GPU, RAM and so on.
Agreed, and I've complained about that in the past, but Apple seems to be deaf to their users.
They're not deaf at all. Most users never upgrade. Why pay for slots or upgradability when it will never be used? There's little point in that. Apple used to sell minitowers but they didn't sell all that well.
Well, in regards to the mini, many people bought them because they were easy to upgrade. I know a few mini users who have now passed on upgrading to the new mini.
Nonsense. People bought minis because they're small and unobtrusive. Most people configure a system when they buy it and that's the end of that. Plus the original Mac mini was a major pain to open (putty knives required).
You're right though that Apple is not deaf. They just don't care. Just like they don't care to fix the many broken things in iOS 8.
Stay on topic. This thread has nothing to do with iOS 8, and bringing it up is both off topic and trolling.
 
What's missing in the Apple range of products is an 'affordable' tower that you can open easily, add stuff like SSD, GPU, RAM and so on.
Agreed, and I've complained about that in the past, but Apple seems to be deaf to their users.
They're not deaf at all. Most users never upgrade. Why pay for slots or upgradability when it will never be used? There's little point in that. Apple used to sell minitowers but they didn't sell all that well.
Well, in regards to the mini, many people bought them because they were easy to upgrade. I know a few mini users who have now passed on upgrading to the new mini.
Nonsense. People bought minis because they're small and unobtrusive.
Obviously that too.
Most people configure a system when they buy it and that's the end of that.
I said "many people," not most people bought them because they were easy to upgrade.
Plus the original Mac mini was a major pain to open (putty knives required).
The 2010 through 2013 models are the ones I was thinking of. Those are very easy to open. I can disassemble one completely in less than 5 minutes.
You're right though that Apple is not deaf. They just don't care. Just like they don't care to fix the many broken things in iOS 8.
Stay on topic. This thread has nothing to do with iOS 8, and bringing it up is both off topic and trolling.
The only one that is trolling right now, is you with such a ridiculous statement.

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What's missing in the Apple range of products is an 'affordable' tower that you can open easily, add stuff like SSD, GPU, RAM and so on.
Agreed, and I've complained about that in the past, but Apple seems to be deaf to their users.
They're not deaf at all. Most users never upgrade. Why pay for slots or upgradability when it will never be used? There's little point in that. Apple used to sell minitowers but they didn't sell all that well.
Well, in regards to the mini, many people bought them because they were easy to upgrade. I know a few mini users who have now passed on upgrading to the new mini.
Nonsense. People bought minis because they're small and unobtrusive.
Obviously that too.
That's the main reason.
Most people configure a system when they buy it and that's the end of that.
I said "many people," not most people bought them because they were easy to upgrade.
Wiggle wiggle wiggle. You have no idea what percentage of people upgrade.

However, Apple definitely knows, which is why they design the systems the way they do. One look at industry sales numbers confirms this.
Plus the original Mac mini was a major pain to open (putty knives required).
The 2010 through 2013 models are the ones I was thinking of. Those are very easy to open. I can disassemble one completely in less than 5 minutes.
The point is that the Mac mini is not targeted at those who upgrade. They later made it easy to replace memory, but the hard drives still required quite a bit more work than popping the bottom plate off.
You're right though that Apple is not deaf. They just don't care. Just like they don't care to fix the many broken things in iOS 8.
Stay on topic. This thread has nothing to do with iOS 8, and bringing it up is both off topic and trolling.
The only one that is trolling right now, is you with such a ridiculous statement.
Nope. Mentioning iOS 8 in a thread about Macs is not only off topic, but claiming 'many things broken' is a gross exaggeration and nothing more than bait, the very definition of trolling.
 
What's missing in the Apple range of products is an 'affordable' tower that you can open easily, add stuff like SSD, GPU, RAM and so on.
Agreed, and I've complained about that in the past, but Apple seems to be deaf to their users.
They're not deaf at all. Most users never upgrade. Why pay for slots or upgradability when it will never be used? There's little point in that. Apple used to sell minitowers but they didn't sell all that well.
Well, in regards to the mini, many people bought them because they were easy to upgrade. I know a few mini users who have now passed on upgrading to the new mini.
Nonsense. People bought minis because they're small and unobtrusive.
Obviously that too.
That's the main reason.
It is one of the reasons for those inclined to want to have an upgradeable compact PC.
Most people configure a system when they buy it and that's the end of that.
I said "many people," not most people bought them because they were easy to upgrade.
Wiggle wiggle wiggle. You have no idea what percentage of people upgrade.
I never stated a percentage. I simly stated the fact that many people bought minis because they were upgradeable.
However, Apple definitely knows, which is why they design the systems the way they do. One look at industry sales numbers confirms this.
They are simply trying to maximize profits. To that end they don't care about the many people that bought minis for their ease of upgrading.
Plus the original Mac mini was a major pain to open (putty knives required).
The 2010 through 2013 models are the ones I was thinking of. Those are very easy to open. I can disassemble one completely in less than 5 minutes.
The point is that the Mac mini is not targeted at those who upgrade.
I never said it was targeted at such people. I said simly tha pt many people bought the mini for their easy upgradability. You need to read more carefully.
They later made it easy to replace memory, but the hard drives still required quite a bit more work than popping the bottom plate off.
Any person with some basic experience upgrading previous computers could easily disassemble and upgrade a 2010-2013 Mac mini.
You're right though that Apple is not deaf. They just don't care. Just like they don't care to fix the many broken things in iOS 8.
Stay on topic. This thread has nothing to do with iOS 8, and bringing it up is both off topic and trolling.
The only one that is trolling right now, is you with such a ridiculous statement.
Nope. Mentioning iOS 8 in a thread about Macs is not only off topic, but claiming 'many things broken' is a gross exaggeration and nothing more than bait, the very definition of trolling.
The mentioning of iOS 8 in that context was simply another example of how Apple often doesn't care what their customers want, hence making it on topic. If I had continued discussing just that then it would have been off topic.

The only reason why you are mentioning off topic and trolling is because of my signature. You are now doing exactly as it describes. So in accordance with what my signature says, I am now done talking to you due to your trolling. You are the only one that is trolling. When you are ready to get back to the topic then I may continue responding. Bye.
 
Most people configure a system when they buy it and that's the end of that.
I said "many people," not most people bought them because they were easy to upgrade.
Wiggle wiggle wiggle. You have no idea what percentage of people upgrade.
I never stated a percentage. I simly stated the fact that many people bought minis because they were upgradeable.
Not very many and certainly not enough to justify a separate product.
However, Apple definitely knows, which is why they design the systems the way they do. One look at industry sales numbers confirms this.
They are simply trying to maximize profits. To that end they don't care about the many people that bought minis for their ease of upgrading.
That's what companies do. In fact, they're required to maximize profits.

The mini is not intended to be upgraded. It never was. It's possible to take them apart (just about everything is), but that doesn't change the design goals. Apple did make memory upgrades easy in the second generation, but that's now no longer the case with soldered memory.
Plus the original Mac mini was a major pain to open (putty knives required).
The 2010 through 2013 models are the ones I was thinking of. Those are very easy to open. I can disassemble one completely in less than 5 minutes.
The point is that the Mac mini is not targeted at those who upgrade.
I never said it was targeted at such people. I said simly tha pt many people bought the mini for their easy upgradability. You need to read more carefully.
You need to stop being condescending. I know what you said, and it's not as many as you think.
They later made it easy to replace memory, but the hard drives still required quite a bit more work than popping the bottom plate off.
Any person with some basic experience upgrading previous computers could easily disassemble and upgrade a 2010-2013 Mac mini.
Most people don't, and even those who do, aren't interested. They just want it to work.
You're right though that Apple is not deaf. They just don't care. Just like they don't care to fix the many broken things in iOS 8.
Stay on topic. This thread has nothing to do with iOS 8, and bringing it up is both off topic and trolling.
The only one that is trolling right now, is you with such a ridiculous statement.
Nope. Mentioning iOS 8 in a thread about Macs is not only off topic, but claiming 'many things broken' is a gross exaggeration and nothing more than bait, the very definition of trolling.
The mentioning of iOS 8 in that context was simply another example of how Apple often doesn't care what their customers want, hence making it on topic. If I had continued discussing just that then it would have been off topic.
iOS 8 is off topic in a thread about Macs. Period.

Not only that, but if you are trying to show that Apple doesn't care what their customers want, then iOS 8 is the wrong thing to mention since iOS 8 adds numerous features that users have been asking for, including custom keyboards, various types of extensions and much more. Continuity is particularly useful and that's just what's user-facing. There are a number of internal changes that help developers.

It's also not broken anywhere near as much as you say it is. Nothing is perfect and like everything, there are some bugs, but the major ones have long been fixed and more will be fixed with the next iOS version.

In other words, iOS 8 is proof that Apple does care about what users want, the exact opposite of what you're claiming!

Mentioning it was nothing more than a troll.
The only reason why you are mentioning off topic and trolling is because of my signature. You are now doing exactly as it describes. So in accordance with what my signature says, I am now done talking to you due to your trolling. You are the only one that is trolling. When you are ready to get back to the topic then I may continue responding. Bye.
Nope. I mentioned off-topic and trolling because that's exactly what it is.

You don't get to call others a troll and give yourself a free pass, especially with what's in your signature (which isn't the place for that anyway).
 
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We are definitely flooding demanthree's thread, aren't we?

For one thing, it has always been a joke: Apple unquestionably knows what you need better than you do. Either you let it control your life or there is little room for you to opt out of the preconfigured bliss. Therefore don't even think you might influence Apple's choices, you are wrong by definition.

Is there a market for a Mac tower like the blandest PC made in Tawainaland?

Amateur photographers like me, amateur video makers, students and young, still broke professionals in art, architecture, photography, etc., and all the people who need more performance and scalability than the Mac Minus but can't afford a Mac Pro. Considering that all the components are found off-the-shelf and that all the investment would consist in a typically Apple design the risk is practically null even if sales lag behind other models.

There is a halo need. It's missing in the range. Young people who start with a given platform tend to stay with it later on. It would broaden Apple's customer base.

Well… provided Apple cared for its computer market anymore. Obviously, when you consider the last Minis and iMacs, it's obvious it's secondary now.

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For one thing, it has always been a joke: Apple unquestionably knows what you need better than you do. Either you let it control your life or there is little room for you to opt out of the preconfigured bliss. Therefore don't even think you might influence Apple's choices, you are wrong by definition.
Nonsense.

Apple doesn't make everything for everyone, nor should they. That's a recipe for disaster.
Is there a market for a Mac tower like the blandest PC made in Tawainaland?
No.
Amateur photographers like me, amateur video makers, students and young, still broke professionals in art, architecture, photography, etc., and all the people who need more performance and scalability than the Mac Minus but can't afford a Mac Pro. Considering that all the components are found off-the-shelf and that all the investment would consist in a typically Apple design the risk is practically null even if sales lag behind other models.
Not enough to justify another product.

The vast majority of Macs sold are MacBooks (over 80%) and of the rest, the majority are iMacs.
There is a halo need. It's missing in the range. Young people who start with a given platform tend to stay with it later on. It would broaden Apple's customer base.

Well… provided Apple cared for its computer market anymore. Obviously, when you consider the last Minis and iMacs, it's obvious it's secondary now.
Apple is gaining significant market share doing what they're doing.
 
Is there a market for a Mac tower like the blandest PC made in Tawainaland?
You mean the "lose money on every sale and make it up in volume" type of PC? Good luck getting Apple to go for that on the basis of that sales pitch!
Amateur photographers like me, amateur video makers, students and young, still broke professionals in art, architecture, photography, etc., and all the people who need more performance and scalability than the Mac Minus but can't afford a Mac Pro.
There is an intermediate Mac. It's called a 27-inch iMac.
 
We are definitely flooding demanthree's thread, aren't we?

For one thing, it has always been a joke: Apple unquestionably knows what you need better than you do. Either you let it control your life or there is little room for you to opt out of the preconfigured bliss. Therefore don't even think you might influence Apple's choices, you are wrong by definition.

Is there a market for a Mac tower like the blandest PC made in Tawainaland?

Amateur photographers like me, amateur video makers, students and young, still broke professionals in art, architecture, photography, etc., and all the people who need more performance and scalability than the Mac Minus but can't afford a Mac Pro. Considering that all the components are found off-the-shelf and that all the investment would consist in a typically Apple design the risk is practically null even if sales lag behind other models.

There is a halo need. It's missing in the range. Young people who start with a given platform tend to stay with it later on. It would broaden Apple's customer base.

Well… provided Apple cared for its computer market anymore. Obviously, when you consider the last Minis and iMacs, it's obvious it's secondary now.
They are still rock solid computers, but their initial and/or full costs have now gone up because you are now required to max out some things like RAM. In my case, my late 27" 2012 iMac is still just as upgradeable as previous iMacs were when it comes to storage and RAM.
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My response to you ends if you resort to trolling and flaming. Criticizing this signature means you are well on the path to doing just that. Accusing me of being a troll means you are doing just that. Stick to the message, not the messenger. Anyone that truly respects what forums are all about will agree.If you decide to get back to the topic then I may once again respond.
 
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Another thing to consider: Apple's recent product directions, for better or worse, involve making the primary drive officially non-user-serviceable – getting rid of moving parts if possible – and moving all secondary drives (especially spinners) outside of the box.

Examples:
  • The 2014 Mini has only one 2.5" drive bay, down from two in the Late 2012 Minis and Mini Server. (The second bay in the non-Server Mini was itself an "unofficial" feature.)
  • iMacs also appear to have only one drive bay – based on Apple's advertised disk capacities, this appears to be a 2.5" bay in the 21.5" iMac, and a 3.5" bay in the 27" iMac. There was one year when the 27" iMac had a 3.5" drive bay (for a HDD), a 2.5" drive bay (for a SSD), and a 5.25" bay (for a DVD burner), but that went out the window when the iMac got thin.
  • MacBook Airs, Retina MacBook Pros, and Mac Pros have NO drive bays. Their internal drive is always comprised of PCI-e-attached flash.
  • Non-Retina 13" MacBook Pros have two drive bays – a user-accessible one for a HDD/SSD, and a officially non-user-serviceable one for a DVD burner. But these Macs are based upon an old design and are not a good predictor of Apple's product directions.
 
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Another thing to consider: Apple's recent product directions, for better or worse, involve making the primary drive officially non-user-serviceable – getting rid of moving parts if possible – and moving all secondary drives (especially spinners) outside of the box.

Examples:
  • The 2014 Mini has only one 2.5" drive bay, down from two in the Late 2012 Minis and Mini Server. (The second bay in the non-Server Mini was itself an "unofficial" feature.)
How could the second bay be "unofficial" in the previous minis if it actually existed to house a second drive?

The second drive solution for the 2014 mini is to order an SSD version and then install a hard drive on your own. Basically you would be reproducing a 2014 mini Fusion Drive configuration, with out it being a Fusion Drive. Of course you can create a larger and cheaper Fusion Drive on your own.
  • iMacs also appear to have only one drive bay – based on Apple's advertised disk capacities, this appears to be a 2.5" bay in the 21.5" iMac, and a 3.5" bay in the 27" iMac. There was one year when the 27" iMac had a 3.5" drive bay (for a HDD), a 2.5" drive bay (for a SSD), and a 5.25" bay (for a DVD burner), but that went out the window when the iMac got thin.
The same situation I described above applies to the iMacs in that you could buy the iMac with just an SSD and add a hard drive later.
  • MacBook Airs, Retina MacBook Pros, and Mac Pros have NO drive bays. Their internal drive is always comprised of PCI-e-attached flash.
Yep, though there are aftermarket PCI SSD solutions for the Airs, Retina MacBooks, and the current Mac Pro, if one wanted to upgrade or repair.
  • Non-Retina 13" MacBook Pros have two drive bays – a user-accessible one for a HDD/SSD, and a officially non-user-serviceable one for a DVD burner. But these Macs are based upon an old design and are not a good predictor of Apple's product directions.
I'm surprised they are still selling it.
 
  • Non-Retina 13" MacBook Pros have two drive bays – a user-accessible one for a HDD/SSD, and a officially non-user-serviceable one for a DVD burner. But these Macs are based upon an old design and are not a good predictor of Apple's product directions.
I'm surprised they are still selling it.
Nothing surprising about it at all. Volume customers don't need top of the line or even middle of the line. Price matters, plus it also has features volume customers might want, such as the capacity of a hard drive and/or having an optical disc drive. Same reason Apple sold the iPad 2 for years and still sells the original iPad mini. There's a market for it.
 
Another thing to consider: Apple's recent product directions, for better or worse, involve making the primary drive officially non-user-serviceable – getting rid of moving parts if possible – and moving all secondary drives (especially spinners) outside of the box.

Examples:
  • The 2014 Mini has only one 2.5" drive bay, down from two in the Late 2012 Minis and Mini Server. (The second bay in the non-Server Mini was itself an "unofficial" feature.)
How could the second bay be "unofficial" in the previous minis if it actually existed to house a second drive?
There's a difference between "exists in an implementation" and "exists as a officially supported and user-serviceable feature." Lots of electronic stuff has advertised features and works – but also has notices plastered on the case saying that no user-serviceable parts are inside.Apple did not advertise a user-upgradable second drive bay as a feature of the 2012 Mini. The bay existed (sans bracket) as a result of the commonality between the regular Mini and the Mini Server. Although some people figured out that it was there and how to use it, that doesn't place the bay in the same category as the 2012 Mini's RAM access hatch (which was explicitly intended for customer use).
 
  • Non-Retina 13" MacBook Pros have two drive bays – a user-accessible one for a HDD/SSD, and a officially non-user-serviceable one for a DVD burner. But these Macs are based upon an old design and are not a good predictor of Apple's product directions.
I'm surprised they are still selling it.
Nothing surprising about it at all. Volume customers don't need top of the line or even middle of the line. Price matters,
Price? It's a rip off. For $200 more you can get the Retina Macbook with a vastly improved and Retina display, PCIe SSD, two Thunderbolt 2 ports, 802.11ac Wi‑Fi, HDMI, 4K output, 1 pound lighter, better battery life, and a much better resale value.
plus it also has features volume customers might want, such as the capacity of a hard drive and/or having an optical disc drive.
Typical volume customers are not installing or updating software on their computers through optical drives. That train left the station a long time ago.

An internal hard drive option is a tough sell with such dated hardware and all the features missing that I posted above.
Same reason Apple sold the iPad 2 for years and still sells the original iPad mini. There's a market for it.
I'm a big fan of Apple but lets face it it's more like a market for an iDevice and Macbook that Apple can then wrongly take advantage of. Very poor values.
 
Another thing to consider: Apple's recent product directions, for better or worse, involve making the primary drive officially non-user-serviceable – getting rid of moving parts if possible – and moving all secondary drives (especially spinners) outside of the box.

Examples:
  • The 2014 Mini has only one 2.5" drive bay, down from two in the Late 2012 Minis and Mini Server. (The second bay in the non-Server Mini was itself an "unofficial" feature.)
How could the second bay be "unofficial" in the previous minis if it actually existed to house a second drive?
There's a difference between "exists in an implementation" and "exists as a officially supported and user-serviceable feature." Lots of electronic stuff has advertised features and works – but also has notices plastered on the case saying that no user-serviceable parts are inside.Apple did not advertise a user-upgradable second drive bay as a feature of the 2012 Mini. The bay existed (sans bracket) as a result of the commonality between the regular Mini and the Mini Server. Although some people figured out that it was there and how to use it, that doesn't place the bay in the same category as the 2012 Mini's RAM access hatch (which was explicitly intended for customer use).
None of that mattered for the people that bought minis because they were in fact so upgradeable.
 
  • Non-Retina 13" MacBook Pros have two drive bays – a user-accessible one for a HDD/SSD, and a officially non-user-serviceable one for a DVD burner. But these Macs are based upon an old design and are not a good predictor of Apple's product directions.
I'm surprised they are still selling it.
Nothing surprising about it at all. Volume customers don't need top of the line or even middle of the line. Price matters,
Price? It's a rip off. For $200 more you can get the Retina Macbook with a vastly improved and Retina display, PCIe SSD, two Thunderbolt 2 ports, 802.11ac Wi‑Fi, HDMI, 4K output, 1 pound lighter, better battery life, and a much better resale value.
Whoosh!

None of that matters to the target market.

When someone is buying thousands and thousands of systems, a $200 difference quickly becomes a huge amount of money.

Besides, you said Retina displays are to be avoided due to 'app compatibility' issues. Now you claim someone should pay extra for a 'vastly improved' Retina display. If you're going to argue at every turn, at least be consistent about it.
plus it also has features volume customers might want, such as the capacity of a hard drive and/or having an optical disc drive.
Typical volume customers are not installing or updating software on their computers through optical drives. That train left the station a long time ago.

An internal hard drive option is a tough sell with such dated hardware and all the features missing that I posted above.
Whoosh again!

Who said anything about installing or updating software?? You do realize that an internal optical drive has numerous other uses, do you not?

As for the hard drive, that's an easy sell since 512 gig of SSD is not cheap and only available on the top of the line model, which is $700 more. That's quite a bit more than your $200 claim.
Same reason Apple sold the iPad 2 for years and still sells the original iPad mini. There's a market for it.
I'm a big fan of Apple but lets face it it's more like a market for an iDevice and Macbook that Apple can then wrongly take advantage of. Very poor values.
Nonsense.
 

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