Its now or never for superzoom EXR's

I sense that F550 is still one of your favorite cameras, although you've used better Fujis since.
Yes, it was my favourite of all time ... the first of the best part of the F series IMO ... (others will think the F200 was the best F series, but no raw and ergonomically not that good.)

But the F770 is far more camera than the F550 was, so I am very happy to have gone that way.
 
And you are right ... I have 4 Panny bodies and one Oly body, and it is the latter that constantly frustrates me. I could be happy with any of Panny's current bodies and with either or both of the FZ1000 and LX100. It comes down to flexibility to have fun versus the extreme convenience of the fixed but fast lens pair ...
I was initially interested in the LX100, but Gordon at CameraLabs.com found the lens is soft wide open (until f/8!) from 50-75mm (crop equivalent). The 4K video is compelling, however. But... the FZ1000 has 4K video, I had forgotten.

Has anybody seen tests showing edge-to-edge sharpness of the FZ1000 at various apertures and focal lengths? At Cameralabs the Sony RX10 looks sharper in the corners at wide angle, not so much at telephoto, with more shadow contrast.

P.S. Looks like Cameralabs' FZ1000 was decentered to lower right, and RX10 was slightly decentered to upper left.
 
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Maybe it's me but I wasn't overly impressed with the samples I've seen from the FZ1000 maybe better ones will turn up.

It might suit some users though the all in one convenience but I think the price is a bit steep myself
 
Maybe it's me but I wasn't overly impressed with the samples I've seen from the FZ1000 maybe better ones will turn up.

It might suit some users though the all in one convenience but I think the price is a bit steep myself.
Samples aren't too bad in my opinion. What was it that you did not like in the FZ1000 samples? It was the Samsung NX1 samples that didn't impress me for color rendition.

Considering that a Sony AX100 camcorder with 4K video capability costs $1799, $899 for the LX100 seems cheap. Seems like LX100 video is better than AX100. I am not sure about FZ1000 video, have not studied it.
 
If people are serious about video I don't understand how they could use a camera without an external microphone. I haven't tried either Panny, but I just don't see the LX100 in particular as a useful video camera.
 
I think you figured out the math earlier, Kim, but wont the larger sensor give you more room to crop and get you to around 900mm or so? Small sensors are toast at ISO 3200, after what I've seen I'm not sure I'd want to go higher than ISO 200 with a 1/2" sensor.
 
I still have my F70 I think Fuji need a good shake up in common sense to not have a superzoom compact model on the market isn't wise.

If there is no F series update then that would be a huge shame, but it's their loss people will just buy other makers models. I know a lot of makers have cut their model range down (probably needed as they had too many) still I think Fuji are making a serious mistake here up your game and improve the F series rather than throwing in the towel.
The problem is that phone cameras have eaten into the compact markets in general, so economies of scale are disappearing. It's a serious problem ... and I hope one that will have a solution eventually so that we don't lose all the interesting pocketable cameras out there.
 
Good point Kim, but what do you think of the max aperture and longest exposure time comparison? FZ200 can do f/2.8 at 600mm and 1 min exposures at ISO 1600.
 
Oh, I love piano you should definitely post some of your music on youtube!

About astronomy I totally agree, in the winter it's hard to do, but a solution might be to get that new Allsky Cam from Orion, you just set it up outside, it's weather proof, and it keeps tracks of all manner of sky phenomena- from aurorae, to meteors to clusters to everything in between. You view the output on your computer from the warmth of your house. It will even tape happenings while you were sleeping so you can watch them later.

Wow, 3000mm, for that much focal length maybe you'd want to risk buying them and cannibilizing them for parts and constructing your own super super zoom! :P

I think 3000mm is near the limit for land photography.....Meade says 60x is about as high as you can go before atmospheric effects become too much, and for telescopes and binoculars 1x=50mm so 60x50mm = 3000mm

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If people are serious about video I don't understand how they could use a camera without an external microphone. I haven't tried either Panny, but I just don't see the LX100 in particular as a useful video camera.
External mic is only necessary for interviews and videos like that. Most produced video, including motion pictures, has a separately recorded audio track.

For what I do - whitewater kayaking - you really don't want the sound track to begin with. It's just white noise interrupted by wind noise. One exception might be the GoPro, which has very strong noise filtering, and is good for making voice notations. But these would only be for viewing among friends, not posting.
 
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Panasonic seems to have managed to get the most out of even those tiny sensors now, based on what I've seen the FZ200 may well be the best of the 1/2" and under superzooms. The FZ1000 is of course in a class by itself. That incredible 4K video is so useful on its own, you could do 8 MP still grabs from the video and have professional quality freeze frames of (for example) hummingbirds, bumble bees and butterflies midflight. It might be good for video astronomy and stacking also :-D

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I think these "travel zooms" will prove to be the best combination of portability and zoom that Fuji has ever produced- they are far more portable than the HS line of cameras and they have the same high quality EXR sensors.
 
If people are serious about video I don't understand how they could use a camera without an external microphone. I haven't tried either Panny, but I just don't see the LX100 in particular as a useful video camera.
External mic is only necessary for interviews and videos like that. Most produced video, including motion pictures, has a separately recorded audio track.

For what I do - whitewater kayaking - you really don't want the sound track to begin with. It's just white noise interrupted by wind noise. One exception might be the GoPro, which has very strong noise filtering, and is good for making voice notations. But these would only be for viewing among friends, not posting.
Dubbing dialogue is a pain, interviews with ambient noise usually sound really bad, and the moving gear sound of most in-camera video is imo just unacceptable. Voice over is fine, but limiting, and imo adding one track (music, sound, narration, etc) is enough for a hobbyist. But, for what you describe above where sound other than the actual environment isn't important, yes, I'm sure the mike/natural sound, or just cutting the sound and putting in a music track, would be fine.
 
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I tried to count how many stars, looks like at least a hundred, nice job! And noise free! What ISO did you use, Dicky? Is that a 3 sec exposure? I read somewhere that if you dont have a tracking tripod, you can use a regular tripod with an exposure of up to 20 sec without significant star trailing. Using a remote shutter release would be a good idea too.

I'm afraid it's been raining here (and snowed here two nights ago) so I'm waiting for the middle of the week.
 
I sense that F550 is still one of your favorite cameras, although you've used better Fujis since.
Yes, it was my favourite of all time ... the first of the best part of the F series IMO ... (others will think the F200 was the best F series, but no raw and ergonomically not that good.)

But the F770 is far more camera than the F550 was, so I am very happy to have gone that way.
From what I've seen the F900 is also very good, at least as good as the F770. Another point in its favor (as least for Fuji fandroids) it that the low cost new F900s are the ones built for the Japan market. None of the F900s designed for sale in other countries have the IR TX/RX that allow fast transfer of photos to select printers and Fuji cameras, such as the F31fd, F50fd, F100fd and a bunch of others. I checked all of the different language PDF manuals on the F900EXR's CD and the only manual that shows the IR port and has pages describing its use is the Japanese language manual. I tried it and it works, taking about a second or two to transfer each photo. The transferred photos are only 3mp though. Photos beamed to an F900 can finally allow F31, F50 and F100 owners to see their photo's histograms before transferring them to a computer. There's not much reason to shoot with the older cameras though if you've also got an F900. :)

http://www.fujifilm.com/support/digital_cameras/compatibility/communication/
 
I think these "travel zooms" will prove to be the best combination of portability and zoom that Fuji has ever produced- they are far more portable than the HS line of cameras and they have the same high quality EXR sensors.
 
Oh, I love piano you should definitely post some of your music on youtube!
I'm a long way from that ... I played a number of instruments as a kid, but piano was not one of them. And it turns out that piano is a rather difficult instrument :-)
About astronomy I totally agree, in the winter it's hard to do, but a solution might be to get that new Allsky Cam from Orion, you just set it up outside, it's weather proof, and it keeps tracks of all manner of sky phenomena- from aurorae, to meteors to clusters to everything in between. You view the output on your computer from the warmth of your house. It will even tape happenings while you were sleeping so you can watch them later.
Sounds like something for which swimming in cash is the solution ...
Wow, 3000mm, for that much focal length maybe you'd want to risk buying them and cannibilizing them for parts and constructing your own super super zoom! :P
That's well beyond my allotment of free time :-(
I think 3000mm is near the limit for land photography.....Meade says 60x is about as high as you can go before atmospheric effects become too much, and for telescopes and binoculars 1x=50mm so 60x50mm = 3000mm
Yeah ... atmosphere mucks up its share of images at 1000mm ... so 3000 would be painful.
 
Good point Kim, but what do you think of the max aperture and longest exposure time comparison? FZ200 can do f/2.8 at 600mm and 1 min exposures at ISO 1600.
Yes, it's a pretty great cam. I was not criticizing it, just suggesting that the FZ1000 and the FZ200 don't make all that much sense together. The FZ1000 can do so much more and the sensor difference accounts for pretty much all of the rest of the issues.
 
And you are right ... I have 4 Panny bodies and one Oly body, and it is the latter that constantly frustrates me. I could be happy with any of Panny's current bodies and with either or both of the FZ1000 and LX100. It comes down to flexibility to have fun versus the extreme convenience of the fixed but fast lens pair ...
I was initially interested in the LX100, but Gordon at CameraLabs.com found the lens is soft wide open (until f/8!) from 50-75mm (crop equivalent). The 4K video is compelling, however. But... the FZ1000 has 4K video, I had forgotten.
Yes, the LX100 is not quite what the FZ1000 is. But CameraLabs could have had some sample variation issues. We'll need to see the issue confirmed before writing the camera off.
Has anybody seen tests showing edge-to-edge sharpness of the FZ1000 at various apertures and focal lengths? At Cameralabs the Sony RX10 looks sharper in the corners at wide angle, not so much at telephoto, with more shadow contrast.
Yes, but the differences are very subtle. And contrast is hard to judge when the images are not carefully processed in raw. There are two many ways in which contrast can vary for the lens to get the blame.
P.S. Looks like Cameralabs' FZ1000 was decentered to lower right, and RX10 was slightly decentered to upper left.
An unfortunate fact of life for almost any lens it would seem ...
 
Maybe it's me but I wasn't overly impressed with the samples I've seen from the FZ1000 maybe better ones will turn up.
Strange. The camera gets rave reviews almost everywhere and I've been struck by how sharp its images are. Some are breathtaking for that class of camera.
It might suit some users though the all in one convenience but I think the price is a bit steep myself
Always has to be balanced against the feature set, and it would be pretty hard to beat this feature set for the price. (Can't actually be done in my estimation.)
 

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