NEW D1X vs. 10D - detailed test report inside

I think this is an unfair comparison. The D1X is a pro camera and the 10D is really a high end prosumer. A better comparison would have been the 1D vs the D1X IMHO.

Bill
I'm sorry for the unfair comparison. It was a lack of my
familiarity with Canon lenses.

I have redone the rest with top-of-the-line prime lenses from both
sides of the fence.

http://www.radixphoto.com/d1x-vs-10d-50mm/

--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
 
I did mention that the Canon 10D had been reset to factory defaults. I also noted than it could be corrected in Photoshop as well.

I have played with the cameras settings after the test, but I was not able to get the results I wanted.

I assume it has something to do with custom curves. The Nikon D100 has the same problem.
I'm sorry for the unfair comparison. It was a lack of my
familiarity with Canon lenses.

I have redone the rest with top-of-the-line prime lenses from both
sides of the fence.

http://www.radixphoto.com/d1x-vs-10d-50mm/

--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
--
Steve
10d
Coolpix 4500
L fever high

--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
 
Yes, I just happen to own the Canon 10D because of its long exposure superiority.

I also own a D1H so I did not have an excuse to purchase the Canon 1D.
Bill
I'm sorry for the unfair comparison. It was a lack of my
familiarity with Canon lenses.

I have redone the rest with top-of-the-line prime lenses from both
sides of the fence.

http://www.radixphoto.com/d1x-vs-10d-50mm/

--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
--
Steve
10d
Coolpix 4500
L fever high

--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
 
I'm guessing you've used the D1x a lot longer than the 10D, therefore know the best settings to use for the D1x while left the 10D in factory default. Well the 10D factory default settings are very conservative in terms of sharpness, saturation and contrast (ie: it's designed that way because they think you will post-process the image, thus they don't want to "damage" it by a lot of in camera processing). I would imagine if you play with the 10D more and found the optimal setting (for your taste) and do the comparison again, you might be surprised.
I'm sorry for the unfair comparison. It was a lack of my
familiarity with Canon lenses.

I have redone the rest with top-of-the-line prime lenses from both
sides of the fence.

http://www.radixphoto.com/d1x-vs-10d-50mm/

--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
 
I mentioned that I reset BOTH cameras to make absolutely sure we're dealing with factory defaults.

I don't understand how you can "damage" a camera, especially the D1X - it has two RISC processors to compute all the data while the Canon 10D has the same digicam processor as the G2?

How do you damage a camera with in-camera processing? I don't follow?

Yes both cameras were reset to factory settings.
I'm sorry for the unfair comparison. It was a lack of my
familiarity with Canon lenses.

I have redone the rest with top-of-the-line prime lenses from both
sides of the fence.

http://www.radixphoto.com/d1x-vs-10d-50mm/

--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
 
I didn't mean damage the camera, i meant damage the image. Too much in-camera processing can cause undesirable artifacts in the image sometimes. That's my the factory settings are conservative.

And I did not see where you said you reset the D1x to factory specs. I only saw the part where the 10D was set to factory settings.

I don't dispute your results that D1x is superior. It should be as it is a professional tool and costs more than double the price. But I don't think you gave the 10D a fair test because you used the factory settings while the D1x probably had your own settings (custom curve?)
I don't understand how you can "damage" a camera, especially the
D1X - it has two RISC processors to compute all the data while the
Canon 10D has the same digicam processor as the G2?

How do you damage a camera with in-camera processing? I don't follow?

Yes both cameras were reset to factory settings.
I'm sorry for the unfair comparison. It was a lack of my
familiarity with Canon lenses.

I have redone the rest with top-of-the-line prime lenses from both
sides of the fence.

http://www.radixphoto.com/d1x-vs-10d-50mm/

--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
 
So the D100 aand 10D have the same problem in looking "flat" compared to the D1X? I wonder if a custom curve can be applied to the 10D to give the same effect.
I have played with the cameras settings after the test, but I was
not able to get the results I wanted.

I assume it has something to do with custom curves. The Nikon D100
has the same problem.
I'm sorry for the unfair comparison. It was a lack of my
familiarity with Canon lenses.

I have redone the rest with top-of-the-line prime lenses from both
sides of the fence.

http://www.radixphoto.com/d1x-vs-10d-50mm/

--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
--
Steve
10d
Coolpix 4500
L fever high

--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
 
Yes, it is a joke. This guy is also a troll too. Look at his post record.

Doug: I know both cameras and...

Doug: I know the 10D... you do NOT know the 10D (for sure).

Nice try!

John
I'm sorry for the unfair comparison. It was a lack of my
familiarity with Canon lenses.

I have redone the rest with top-of-the-line prime lenses from both
sides of the fence.

http://www.radixphoto.com/d1x-vs-10d-50mm/

--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
 
I stated in the article I was (quote) "absolutely" sure the cameras were at default settings because I reset both.

I also just stated in my reply to you that I indeed did reset both cameras to factory default.

Why do you contest that I use custom settings on the D1X?
And I did not see where you said you reset the D1x to factory
specs. I only saw the part where the 10D was set to factory
settings.

I don't dispute your results that D1x is superior. It should be as
it is a professional tool and costs more than double the price.
But I don't think you gave the 10D a fair test because you used the
factory settings while the D1x probably had your own settings
(custom curve?)
I don't understand how you can "damage" a camera, especially the
D1X - it has two RISC processors to compute all the data while the
Canon 10D has the same digicam processor as the G2?

How do you damage a camera with in-camera processing? I don't follow?

Yes both cameras were reset to factory settings.
I'm sorry for the unfair comparison. It was a lack of my
familiarity with Canon lenses.

I have redone the rest with top-of-the-line prime lenses from both
sides of the fence.

http://www.radixphoto.com/d1x-vs-10d-50mm/

--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
 
Did he do something wrong?
Doug: I know both cameras and...

Doug: I know the 10D... you do NOT know the 10D (for sure).

Nice try!

John
I'm sorry for the unfair comparison. It was a lack of my
familiarity with Canon lenses.

I have redone the rest with top-of-the-line prime lenses from both
sides of the fence.

http://www.radixphoto.com/d1x-vs-10d-50mm/

--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
 
That made no sense. Yes I own both cameras and I'm quite familiar with both of them. The D1X moreso then the 10D, but definately familiar with them.

Where did I ever say you weren't familiar with it?

My track record is on the Nikon forum -- hardly a troll.

Why would I waste hours of my time "just to be a troll?"
Doug: I know both cameras and...

Doug: I know the 10D... you do NOT know the 10D (for sure).

Nice try!

John
I'm sorry for the unfair comparison. It was a lack of my
familiarity with Canon lenses.

I have redone the rest with top-of-the-line prime lenses from both
sides of the fence.

http://www.radixphoto.com/d1x-vs-10d-50mm/

--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
--
'Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Those Who Threaten It.'
 
Many folks here think of the Nikon D1X as a more robust camera than the Canon 10D. Indeed this is true-- it is really built to last and last.

But it does go beyond that. And, it proves that specifications don't tell the entire story about how a picture "will look". To be fair on all accounts the Canon 10D should deliver a better picture, yes? Lower noise... slightly larger file size... etc, etc. And with similar class lenses the results should be similar at least. But they aren't.

Now, you've probably seen my posts here and have visited my floral galleries. If you haven't you should take a look at this first. This photo is from my "Summer Rain" collection and was shot entirely in Adobe RGB with a Nikon D1X with the Nikkor 105mm lens. To see this picture in print is absolutely jaw dropping. Right out of the camera with minimal processing for the web, this photo speak volumes about exposure, contrast, color and accuracy.



Now lets shift gears for a moment: We're going to move to my "Solstice" collection of photos which were shot with the Canon D60. Again, these are lovely photos- taken very carefully- but however did lack some of the punch of the D1X images. Namely in even exposure accross the frame. But the results are quite good overall. But much work was needed in PS to bring these pictures to their current state. Here is a sample:



Now, check out this sample from my "Legends of the Fall" collection which was shot entirely with a Nikon 5700. Once again, Nikon's superb exposure algorithms show up in spades. The ability for the 5700 to maintain awesome colors and deep shadow details while minimizing hotspots and maximizing contrast are amazing.



But what about the 10D? Well, I sold both the D1X and the D60 about the time when my company shifted gears towards video production. Since that time, we've shifted back to still photography and are using a Canon 10D now. Here is a sample from the 10D from my "Tulip Town" collection:



I have been a photographer for quite some years and I'm not new to handling both consumer and pro gear. I have enough understanding of the hardware and software to maximize photo quality in the final output. In my time behind the camera, I have never used a tool with such precise exposure as the Nikon D1X. In camera, this machine delivers the goods with aplomb. What would make an atmospheric photo of fog hanging over a lake with fingers of trees and shrubs tickling the edges of the water would look exactly like that as shown below:



My experience, however with the 10D in it's current iteration with the same sort of shot would suffer from flat contrast, over exposure and blown highlights way below the threshold of the 10D's rated capability. I can't put a finger on it-- but in the process of building a more versatile camera, Canon has left behind the magic of color and saturation that was a part of the excellent D60. Don't get me wrong-- this is not to start or flame the 10D at all. I have achieved excellent results with it often-- but not often enough to be entirely pleased.

I will tame the workflow to maximize the quality of the 10D-- but to be fair, it ain't no D1X. The D60 came close-- but the 10D drifted further out still.
 
Check out Phils test shots. Just compare the test strip for the canon 10D



With the D1x
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond1x/page22.asp
Many folks here think of the Nikon D1X as a more robust camera than
the Canon 10D. Indeed this is true-- it is really built to last and
last.

But it does go beyond that. And, it proves that specifications
don't tell the entire story about how a picture "will look". To be
fair on all accounts the Canon 10D should deliver a better picture,
yes? Lower noise... slightly larger file size... etc, etc. And with
similar class lenses the results should be similar at least. But
they aren't.

Now, you've probably seen my posts here and have visited my floral
galleries. If you haven't you should take a look at this first.
This photo is from my "Summer Rain" collection and was shot
entirely in Adobe RGB with a Nikon D1X with the Nikkor 105mm lens.
To see this picture in print is absolutely jaw dropping. Right out
of the camera with minimal processing for the web, this photo speak
volumes about exposure, contrast, color and accuracy.



Now lets shift gears for a moment: We're going to move to my
"Solstice" collection of photos which were shot with the Canon D60.
Again, these are lovely photos- taken very carefully- but however
did lack some of the punch of the D1X images. Namely in even
exposure accross the frame. But the results are quite good overall.
But much work was needed in PS to bring these pictures to their
current state. Here is a sample:



Now, check out this sample from my "Legends of the Fall" collection
which was shot entirely with a Nikon 5700. Once again, Nikon's
superb exposure algorithms show up in spades. The ability for the
5700 to maintain awesome colors and deep shadow details while
minimizing hotspots and maximizing contrast are amazing.



But what about the 10D? Well, I sold both the D1X and the D60 about
the time when my company shifted gears towards video production.
Since that time, we've shifted back to still photography and are
using a Canon 10D now. Here is a sample from the 10D from my "Tulip
Town" collection:



I have been a photographer for quite some years and I'm not new to
handling both consumer and pro gear. I have enough understanding of
the hardware and software to maximize photo quality in the final
output. In my time behind the camera, I have never used a tool with
such precise exposure as the Nikon D1X. In camera, this machine
delivers the goods with aplomb. What would make an atmospheric
photo of fog hanging over a lake with fingers of trees and shrubs
tickling the edges of the water would look exactly like that as
shown below:



My experience, however with the 10D in it's current iteration with
the same sort of shot would suffer from flat contrast, over
exposure and blown highlights way below the threshold of the 10D's
rated capability. I can't put a finger on it-- but in the process
of building a more versatile camera, Canon has left behind the
magic of color and saturation that was a part of the excellent D60.
Don't get me wrong-- this is not to start or flame the 10D at all.
I have achieved excellent results with it often-- but not often
enough to be entirely pleased.

I will tame the workflow to maximize the quality of the 10D-- but
to be fair, it ain't no D1X. The D60 came close-- but the 10D
drifted further out still.
 
Nikon Shot




With the D1x
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond1x/page22.asp
Many folks here think of the Nikon D1X as a more robust camera than
the Canon 10D. Indeed this is true-- it is really built to last and
last.

But it does go beyond that. And, it proves that specifications
don't tell the entire story about how a picture "will look". To be
fair on all accounts the Canon 10D should deliver a better picture,
yes? Lower noise... slightly larger file size... etc, etc. And with
similar class lenses the results should be similar at least. But
they aren't.

Now, you've probably seen my posts here and have visited my floral
galleries. If you haven't you should take a look at this first.
This photo is from my "Summer Rain" collection and was shot
entirely in Adobe RGB with a Nikon D1X with the Nikkor 105mm lens.
To see this picture in print is absolutely jaw dropping. Right out
of the camera with minimal processing for the web, this photo speak
volumes about exposure, contrast, color and accuracy.



Now lets shift gears for a moment: We're going to move to my
"Solstice" collection of photos which were shot with the Canon D60.
Again, these are lovely photos- taken very carefully- but however
did lack some of the punch of the D1X images. Namely in even
exposure accross the frame. But the results are quite good overall.
But much work was needed in PS to bring these pictures to their
current state. Here is a sample:



Now, check out this sample from my "Legends of the Fall" collection
which was shot entirely with a Nikon 5700. Once again, Nikon's
superb exposure algorithms show up in spades. The ability for the
5700 to maintain awesome colors and deep shadow details while
minimizing hotspots and maximizing contrast are amazing.



But what about the 10D? Well, I sold both the D1X and the D60 about
the time when my company shifted gears towards video production.
Since that time, we've shifted back to still photography and are
using a Canon 10D now. Here is a sample from the 10D from my "Tulip
Town" collection:



I have been a photographer for quite some years and I'm not new to
handling both consumer and pro gear. I have enough understanding of
the hardware and software to maximize photo quality in the final
output. In my time behind the camera, I have never used a tool with
such precise exposure as the Nikon D1X. In camera, this machine
delivers the goods with aplomb. What would make an atmospheric
photo of fog hanging over a lake with fingers of trees and shrubs
tickling the edges of the water would look exactly like that as
shown below:



My experience, however with the 10D in it's current iteration with
the same sort of shot would suffer from flat contrast, over
exposure and blown highlights way below the threshold of the 10D's
rated capability. I can't put a finger on it-- but in the process
of building a more versatile camera, Canon has left behind the
magic of color and saturation that was a part of the excellent D60.
Don't get me wrong-- this is not to start or flame the 10D at all.
I have achieved excellent results with it often-- but not often
enough to be entirely pleased.

I will tame the workflow to maximize the quality of the 10D-- but
to be fair, it ain't no D1X. The D60 came close-- but the 10D
drifted further out still.
 
Canon





With the D1x
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond1x/page22.asp
Many folks here think of the Nikon D1X as a more robust camera than
the Canon 10D. Indeed this is true-- it is really built to last and
last.

But it does go beyond that. And, it proves that specifications
don't tell the entire story about how a picture "will look". To be
fair on all accounts the Canon 10D should deliver a better picture,
yes? Lower noise... slightly larger file size... etc, etc. And with
similar class lenses the results should be similar at least. But
they aren't.

Now, you've probably seen my posts here and have visited my floral
galleries. If you haven't you should take a look at this first.
This photo is from my "Summer Rain" collection and was shot
entirely in Adobe RGB with a Nikon D1X with the Nikkor 105mm lens.
To see this picture in print is absolutely jaw dropping. Right out
of the camera with minimal processing for the web, this photo speak
volumes about exposure, contrast, color and accuracy.



Now lets shift gears for a moment: We're going to move to my
"Solstice" collection of photos which were shot with the Canon D60.
Again, these are lovely photos- taken very carefully- but however
did lack some of the punch of the D1X images. Namely in even
exposure accross the frame. But the results are quite good overall.
But much work was needed in PS to bring these pictures to their
current state. Here is a sample:



Now, check out this sample from my "Legends of the Fall" collection
which was shot entirely with a Nikon 5700. Once again, Nikon's
superb exposure algorithms show up in spades. The ability for the
5700 to maintain awesome colors and deep shadow details while
minimizing hotspots and maximizing contrast are amazing.



But what about the 10D? Well, I sold both the D1X and the D60 about
the time when my company shifted gears towards video production.
Since that time, we've shifted back to still photography and are
using a Canon 10D now. Here is a sample from the 10D from my "Tulip
Town" collection:



I have been a photographer for quite some years and I'm not new to
handling both consumer and pro gear. I have enough understanding of
the hardware and software to maximize photo quality in the final
output. In my time behind the camera, I have never used a tool with
such precise exposure as the Nikon D1X. In camera, this machine
delivers the goods with aplomb. What would make an atmospheric
photo of fog hanging over a lake with fingers of trees and shrubs
tickling the edges of the water would look exactly like that as
shown below:



My experience, however with the 10D in it's current iteration with
the same sort of shot would suffer from flat contrast, over
exposure and blown highlights way below the threshold of the 10D's
rated capability. I can't put a finger on it-- but in the process
of building a more versatile camera, Canon has left behind the
magic of color and saturation that was a part of the excellent D60.
Don't get me wrong-- this is not to start or flame the 10D at all.
I have achieved excellent results with it often-- but not often
enough to be entirely pleased.

I will tame the workflow to maximize the quality of the 10D-- but
to be fair, it ain't no D1X. The D60 came close-- but the 10D
drifted further out still.
 





With the D1x
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond1x/page22.asp
Many folks here think of the Nikon D1X as a more robust camera than
the Canon 10D. Indeed this is true-- it is really built to last and
last.

But it does go beyond that. And, it proves that specifications
don't tell the entire story about how a picture "will look". To be
fair on all accounts the Canon 10D should deliver a better picture,
yes? Lower noise... slightly larger file size... etc, etc. And with
similar class lenses the results should be similar at least. But
they aren't.

Now, you've probably seen my posts here and have visited my floral
galleries. If you haven't you should take a look at this first.
This photo is from my "Summer Rain" collection and was shot
entirely in Adobe RGB with a Nikon D1X with the Nikkor 105mm lens.
To see this picture in print is absolutely jaw dropping. Right out
of the camera with minimal processing for the web, this photo speak
volumes about exposure, contrast, color and accuracy.



Now lets shift gears for a moment: We're going to move to my
"Solstice" collection of photos which were shot with the Canon D60.
Again, these are lovely photos- taken very carefully- but however
did lack some of the punch of the D1X images. Namely in even
exposure accross the frame. But the results are quite good overall.
But much work was needed in PS to bring these pictures to their
current state. Here is a sample:



Now, check out this sample from my "Legends of the Fall" collection
which was shot entirely with a Nikon 5700. Once again, Nikon's
superb exposure algorithms show up in spades. The ability for the
5700 to maintain awesome colors and deep shadow details while
minimizing hotspots and maximizing contrast are amazing.



But what about the 10D? Well, I sold both the D1X and the D60 about
the time when my company shifted gears towards video production.
Since that time, we've shifted back to still photography and are
using a Canon 10D now. Here is a sample from the 10D from my "Tulip
Town" collection:



I have been a photographer for quite some years and I'm not new to
handling both consumer and pro gear. I have enough understanding of
the hardware and software to maximize photo quality in the final
output. In my time behind the camera, I have never used a tool with
such precise exposure as the Nikon D1X. In camera, this machine
delivers the goods with aplomb. What would make an atmospheric
photo of fog hanging over a lake with fingers of trees and shrubs
tickling the edges of the water would look exactly like that as
shown below:



My experience, however with the 10D in it's current iteration with
the same sort of shot would suffer from flat contrast, over
exposure and blown highlights way below the threshold of the 10D's
rated capability. I can't put a finger on it-- but in the process
of building a more versatile camera, Canon has left behind the
magic of color and saturation that was a part of the excellent D60.
Don't get me wrong-- this is not to start or flame the 10D at all.
I have achieved excellent results with it often-- but not often
enough to be entirely pleased.

I will tame the workflow to maximize the quality of the 10D-- but
to be fair, it ain't no D1X. The D60 came close-- but the 10D
drifted further out still.
 

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