To buy a 1D or 10D

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I m still contemplating whether to get a 1D or not cos I cant afford a 1Ds. Is it wise to get the 1D now since the 1Ds is already out. Is the technology already outdated for the 1D. Can a 10D really compare to 1D. PLs advise me which one should I buy. Thanks
 
I intend to use for all photo shoot. Cos i sold my 1V , and my Mamiya RB 67 Pro and Canon A1 and the AE 1 to switch to digital. Presently I have the G1. On hand i have the 17-35mm L and the 70-200mm L for the digital cam. So which one should I buy.
 
You should have been asking this question a week ago when DELL was selling the 1D for $2999. Now it's back up to about $3600 (Gateway). I also shoot with a 1V. I'm getting a 10D and using it until the 1D replacement comes out or the 1Ds prices drop. I can always use the 10D as a backup body. For weddings, I still use the 1V because there's no way the 10D can touch the 1V's focus speed and the look of Kodak Portra cannot be duplicated by any digital camera.
I m still contemplating whether to get a 1D or not cos I cant
afford a 1Ds. Is it wise to get the 1D now since the 1Ds is already
out. Is the technology already outdated for the 1D. Can a 10D
really compare to 1D. PLs advise me which one should I buy. Thanks
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I intend to use for all photo shoot. Cos i sold my 1V , and my
Mamiya RB 67 Pro and Canon A1 and the AE 1 to switch to digital.
Presently I have the G1. On hand i have the 17-35mm L and the
70-200mm L for the digital cam. So which one should I buy.
Well, if you already have all that equipment, it shouldn't be too difficult to choose. Think of it as a choice between a 1V and an EOS-30.

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So u mean the 1D is 1V and 10D is Eos30 . So i should go straight for 1D but 1 consent is worry the price will drop dramastically after I buy it cos of the 1Ds. Will 1Ds fully taking over 1D or its a different class.
I intend to use for all photo shoot. Cos i sold my 1V , and my
Mamiya RB 67 Pro and Canon A1 and the AE 1 to switch to digital.
Presently I have the G1. On hand i have the 17-35mm L and the
70-200mm L for the digital cam. So which one should I buy.
Well, if you already have all that equipment, it shouldn't be too
difficult to choose. Think of it as a choice between a 1V and an
EOS-30.

Petteri
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So u mean the 1D is 1V and 10D is Eos30 . So i should go straight
for 1D but 1 consent is worry the price will drop dramastically
after I buy it cos of the 1Ds. Will 1Ds fully taking over 1D or its
a different class.
It's digital. The price will drop dramatically no matter what you buy.

The purchase only makes financial sense if you shoot enough frames to save more in processing costs than you lose in price depreciation.

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Hi,

...mainly due to the fact that the 1D has a 1.3x FLM and the 10D has a 1.6x FLM. That will give you fields of view closer to what you are used to with film. If you go straight to the 10D, you may find the narrower FOV to be (a) a shock and (b) suddnely not have a wide enough FOV for some shots even though you have a WA zoom.

Additionally, the 1D imager has physically larger pixels than the imager in the 10D. The signal-to-noise ratio is better with the 1D than the 10D as a result. That might be important to you.

Additionally, there is more support for the 1D raw image files than for the 10D. You can opt for using the Phase One program or Adobe's raw conversion plug-in for PS7. Right now, neither tool supports the 10D. You do want to shoot in raw mode regardless of camera for maximum image quality.

Additionally (I'm on a roll here with this word!), there is the point already made, which I'll second, where the 1D is a 1V and a 10D is an EOS3. Guess which one is better than the other in this respect.

Additionally, the 1D sports a spot meter, which may or may not be a very important point for your work. I know it is for mine. I use the spot meter even in manual mode to measure various parts of a subject and then decide on the settings I wish to use.

The bottom line is that the 1Ds is probably the best match for you, but if you can't go for that right now (I'm in the same boat myself), then the 1D is probably the correct second choice.

If you do wind up with a 1Ds later on, the 1D will make for a better second camera than the 10D would. The controls are identical, for one thing. Plus, the 1D is a lot faster than the 1Ds or 10D, and you might find yourself needing that speed at some point. Add to that the higher ISO range and you'd have a great combination for maximum flexability.

No, the technology is not outdated in the 1D. Yes, it uses a Bipolar CCD over CMOS but you can't clock CMOS as fast as Bipolar. The CCD in the 1D is the fastest still camera CCD out there, and the 30 fps CCDs used in the top video cameras don't approach the resolution of that used in the 1D.

I don't think you'll be seeing any technological updates, as far as the imagers go, in the 1Ds or 1D in the next 12 months. I think I can say the same for the 10D, since it's new on the market.

Prices tend to fluctuate all the time, so you can't even think about that. Buy what you need, when you need it, and forget about the constant price changes.

Heck, the Kodak DCS 560 (EOS 1N) and 660 (Nikon F5), which were the second generation 6 MP DSLRs, were $25,000 just 4 years ago. Now they fetch less than $2,000 on the used market. There were a lot of professionals that bought those and made good money with them over the past 4 years. It may sound terrible that they can get only $2k for one now, but that money is really just a bonus. They'd have done fine financially if they simply tossed them in the trash at this point.

BTW, if any of y'all feel the need to toss out any of the old Kodak DSLR units (Canon or Nikon based), please drop me an email. I'll gladly pay shipping costs on them to keep them from polluting out landfills! :)

Stan
I m still contemplating whether to get a 1D or not cos I cant
afford a 1Ds. Is it wise to get the 1D now since the 1Ds is already
out. Is the technology already outdated for the 1D. Can a 10D
really compare to 1D. PLs advise me which one should I buy. Thanks
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Thanks and really appreciate your time for the lengthy enlightenment .May I know where to buy and whose is selling the better price and relaible store. Regards
...mainly due to the fact that the 1D has a 1.3x FLM and the 10D
has a 1.6x FLM. That will give you fields of view closer to what
you are used to with film. If you go straight to the 10D, you may
find the narrower FOV to be (a) a shock and (b) suddnely not have a
wide enough FOV for some shots even though you have a WA zoom.

Additionally, the 1D imager has physically larger pixels than the
imager in the 10D. The signal-to-noise ratio is better with the 1D
than the 10D as a result. That might be important to you.

Additionally, there is more support for the 1D raw image files than
for the 10D. You can opt for using the Phase One program or Adobe's
raw conversion plug-in for PS7. Right now, neither tool supports
the 10D. You do want to shoot in raw mode regardless of camera for
maximum image quality.

Additionally (I'm on a roll here with this word!), there is the
point already made, which I'll second, where the 1D is a 1V and a
10D is an EOS3. Guess which one is better than the other in this
respect.

Additionally, the 1D sports a spot meter, which may or may not be a
very important point for your work. I know it is for mine. I use
the spot meter even in manual mode to measure various parts of a
subject and then decide on the settings I wish to use.

The bottom line is that the 1Ds is probably the best match for you,
but if you can't go for that right now (I'm in the same boat
myself), then the 1D is probably the correct second choice.

If you do wind up with a 1Ds later on, the 1D will make for a
better second camera than the 10D would. The controls are
identical, for one thing. Plus, the 1D is a lot faster than the 1Ds
or 10D, and you might find yourself needing that speed at some
point. Add to that the higher ISO range and you'd have a great
combination for maximum flexability.

No, the technology is not outdated in the 1D. Yes, it uses a
Bipolar CCD over CMOS but you can't clock CMOS as fast as Bipolar.
The CCD in the 1D is the fastest still camera CCD out there, and
the 30 fps CCDs used in the top video cameras don't approach the
resolution of that used in the 1D.

I don't think you'll be seeing any technological updates, as far as
the imagers go, in the 1Ds or 1D in the next 12 months. I think I
can say the same for the 10D, since it's new on the market.

Prices tend to fluctuate all the time, so you can't even think
about that. Buy what you need, when you need it, and forget about
the constant price changes.

Heck, the Kodak DCS 560 (EOS 1N) and 660 (Nikon F5), which were the
second generation 6 MP DSLRs, were $25,000 just 4 years ago. Now
they fetch less than $2,000 on the used market. There were a lot of
professionals that bought those and made good money with them over
the past 4 years. It may sound terrible that they can get only $2k
for one now, but that money is really just a bonus. They'd have
done fine financially if they simply tossed them in the trash at
this point.

BTW, if any of y'all feel the need to toss out any of the old Kodak
DSLR units (Canon or Nikon based), please drop me an email. I'll
gladly pay shipping costs on them to keep them from polluting out
landfills! :)

Stan
I m still contemplating whether to get a 1D or not cos I cant
afford a 1Ds. Is it wise to get the 1D now since the 1Ds is already
out. Is the technology already outdated for the 1D. Can a 10D
really compare to 1D. PLs advise me which one should I buy. Thanks
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...mainly due to the fact that the 1D has a 1.3x FLM and the 10D
has a 1.6x FLM. That will give you fields of view closer to what
you are used to with film. If you go straight to the 10D, you may
find the narrower FOV to be (a) a shock and (b) suddnely not have a
wide enough FOV for some shots even though you have a WA zoom.

Additionally, the 1D imager has physically larger pixels than the
imager in the 10D. The signal-to-noise ratio is better with the 1D
than the 10D as a result. That might be important to you.

Additionally, there is more support for the 1D raw image files than
for the 10D. You can opt for using the Phase One program or Adobe's
raw conversion plug-in for PS7. Right now, neither tool supports
the 10D. You do want to shoot in raw mode regardless of camera for
maximum image quality.

Additionally (I'm on a roll here with this word!), there is the
point already made, which I'll second, where the 1D is a 1V and a
10D is an EOS3. Guess which one is better than the other in this
respect.

Additionally, the 1D sports a spot meter, which may or may not be a
very important point for your work. I know it is for mine. I use
the spot meter even in manual mode to measure various parts of a
subject and then decide on the settings I wish to use.

The bottom line is that the 1Ds is probably the best match for you,
but if you can't go for that right now (I'm in the same boat
myself), then the 1D is probably the correct second choice.

If you do wind up with a 1Ds later on, the 1D will make for a
better second camera than the 10D would. The controls are
identical, for one thing. Plus, the 1D is a lot faster than the 1Ds
or 10D, and you might find yourself needing that speed at some
point. Add to that the higher ISO range and you'd have a great
combination for maximum flexability.

No, the technology is not outdated in the 1D. Yes, it uses a
Bipolar CCD over CMOS but you can't clock CMOS as fast as Bipolar.
The CCD in the 1D is the fastest still camera CCD out there, and
the 30 fps CCDs used in the top video cameras don't approach the
resolution of that used in the 1D.

I don't think you'll be seeing any technological updates, as far as
the imagers go, in the 1Ds or 1D in the next 12 months. I think I
can say the same for the 10D, since it's new on the market.

Prices tend to fluctuate all the time, so you can't even think
about that. Buy what you need, when you need it, and forget about
the constant price changes.

Heck, the Kodak DCS 560 (EOS 1N) and 660 (Nikon F5), which were the
second generation 6 MP DSLRs, were $25,000 just 4 years ago. Now
they fetch less than $2,000 on the used market. There were a lot of
professionals that bought those and made good money with them over
the past 4 years. It may sound terrible that they can get only $2k
for one now, but that money is really just a bonus. They'd have
done fine financially if they simply tossed them in the trash at
this point.

BTW, if any of y'all feel the need to toss out any of the old Kodak
DSLR units (Canon or Nikon based), please drop me an email. I'll
gladly pay shipping costs on them to keep them from polluting out
landfills! :)

Stan
I m still contemplating whether to get a 1D or not cos I cant
afford a 1Ds. Is it wise to get the 1D now since the 1Ds is already
out. Is the technology already outdated for the 1D. Can a 10D
really compare to 1D. PLs advise me which one should I buy. Thanks
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Try Arlington Camera in arlington texas. Ask for rick, he is very helpful and they have it on the shelf (1D).
Chris Anderson
 
As far as all of this mumbo Jumbo about the 1D being the 1v and the 10D being the EOS 3..... I beg to differ... The appropriate listings should be.......

Digital ----- Film

EOS 1Ds---- EOS 1v
EOS 1D---- EOS 3
EOS 10D---- EOS Elan 7e (A2e)
EOS D60---- EOS Elan II or Rebel(?)
EOS D30---- EOS GII

Of course when you get to the D60 and D30 there are some improvements over the film cameras.... as well as the EOS 10D over the Elan 7 or A2... However The 1D line is an awsome Digital line up and I would deffinently go for the 1D........ I however am going for the 10D and hopefully saving up more money to buy the new (EOS 3 type Digital) comeing on the market... but Im 15 what do I know... Im hooked though.

I need money, if anyone wants to give me some, just drop me a line lol, that was a lame joke of course....... yeah I know I cant spell
 
Then I'd say get the 10D.

The 1D is specifically built for pro use, daily image taking for press, sports photography etc.

It's strong and very very fast, and the quality is more than specific for the task.

If you were shooting such images in this way, you'd already have the 1D at the top of your list.

And don't look at the 1Ds as a replacement for the 1D, it's a 1D for the studio, not the field, that's all.

Chris.
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I bought mine from cameta camera. cameta.com. for around $3400 a few weeks ago. Great service and all...

I had the same issue and I bought both, however, I am going to return my 10D.

One more thing, I am so happy I got the 1D, this thing is a technological marvel.

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...mainly due to the fact that the 1D has a 1.3x FLM and the 10D
has a 1.6x FLM. That will give you fields of view closer to what
you are used to with film. If you go straight to the 10D, you may
find the narrower FOV to be (a) a shock and (b) suddnely not have a
wide enough FOV for some shots even though you have a WA zoom.

Additionally, the 1D imager has physically larger pixels than the
imager in the 10D. The signal-to-noise ratio is better with the 1D
than the 10D as a result. That might be important to you.

Additionally, there is more support for the 1D raw image files than
for the 10D. You can opt for using the Phase One program or Adobe's
raw conversion plug-in for PS7. Right now, neither tool supports
the 10D. You do want to shoot in raw mode regardless of camera for
maximum image quality.

Additionally (I'm on a roll here with this word!), there is the
point already made, which I'll second, where the 1D is a 1V and a
10D is an EOS3. Guess which one is better than the other in this
respect.

Additionally, the 1D sports a spot meter, which may or may not be a
very important point for your work. I know it is for mine. I use
the spot meter even in manual mode to measure various parts of a
subject and then decide on the settings I wish to use.

The bottom line is that the 1Ds is probably the best match for you,
but if you can't go for that right now (I'm in the same boat
myself), then the 1D is probably the correct second choice.

If you do wind up with a 1Ds later on, the 1D will make for a
better second camera than the 10D would. The controls are
identical, for one thing. Plus, the 1D is a lot faster than the 1Ds
or 10D, and you might find yourself needing that speed at some
point. Add to that the higher ISO range and you'd have a great
combination for maximum flexability.

No, the technology is not outdated in the 1D. Yes, it uses a
Bipolar CCD over CMOS but you can't clock CMOS as fast as Bipolar.
The CCD in the 1D is the fastest still camera CCD out there, and
the 30 fps CCDs used in the top video cameras don't approach the
resolution of that used in the 1D.

I don't think you'll be seeing any technological updates, as far as
the imagers go, in the 1Ds or 1D in the next 12 months. I think I
can say the same for the 10D, since it's new on the market.

Prices tend to fluctuate all the time, so you can't even think
about that. Buy what you need, when you need it, and forget about
the constant price changes.

Heck, the Kodak DCS 560 (EOS 1N) and 660 (Nikon F5), which were the
second generation 6 MP DSLRs, were $25,000 just 4 years ago. Now
they fetch less than $2,000 on the used market. There were a lot of
professionals that bought those and made good money with them over
the past 4 years. It may sound terrible that they can get only $2k
for one now, but that money is really just a bonus. They'd have
done fine financially if they simply tossed them in the trash at
this point.

BTW, if any of y'all feel the need to toss out any of the old Kodak
DSLR units (Canon or Nikon based), please drop me an email. I'll
gladly pay shipping costs on them to keep them from polluting out
landfills! :)

Stan
I m still contemplating whether to get a 1D or not cos I cant
afford a 1Ds. Is it wise to get the 1D now since the 1Ds is already
out. Is the technology already outdated for the 1D. Can a 10D
really compare to 1D. PLs advise me which one should I buy. Thanks
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The build and speed are definitely from a 1Vhs.
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The 1D is not anything like a EOS3. Obviously you haven't used the EOS-1 camera line up close or you would not be saying such things. The 1D and 1DS have the same physical design layout, chassis form, shutter technology, AF system, and environmental seals as the 1V. The only difference between the 1DS and the 1D are various differences in the imager, CMOS vs CCD and associated ISO differences, and a few more various features such as zoom review. Even the processing engine is the same. 4MP at 8FPS = 11MP at 3FPS as far as processing throughput is concerned. The EOS-3 may have a 45 AF point system, but it is slower and not as robust as the EOS-1 line AF system.
As far as all of this mumbo Jumbo about the 1D being the 1v and the
10D being the EOS 3..... I beg to differ... The appropriate
listings should be.......

Digital ----- Film

EOS 1Ds---- EOS 1v
EOS 1D---- EOS 3
EOS 10D---- EOS Elan 7e (A2e)
EOS D60---- EOS Elan II or Rebel(?)
EOS D30---- EOS GII

Of course when you get to the D60 and D30 there are some
improvements over the film cameras.... as well as the EOS 10D over
the Elan 7 or A2... However The 1D line is an awsome Digital line
up and I would deffinently go for the 1D........ I however am going
for the 10D and hopefully saving up more money to buy the new (EOS
3 type Digital) comeing on the market... but Im 15 what do I
know... Im hooked though.
I need money, if anyone wants to give me some, just drop me a line
lol, that was a lame joke of course....... yeah I know I cant spell
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Sorry, but that's not right. The D1 barely has less noise than a D30 at ISO 100 and 200 (



) The D60 is noticable better than the D30 (



). Then you compare the 10D to the D60 (



)

Add it all up and you'll find the 10D has less noise than the 1D.

Seth
Hi,

Additionally, the 1D imager has physically larger pixels than the
imager in the 10D. The signal-to-noise ratio is better with the 1D
than the 10D as a result. That might be important to you.

Stan
 
Build and Quality of the EOS 3 are nothing close to the 1v or 1D. However I was just making the comment as far as the lineup goes..... Number one Pro, Pro, Semi Pro/Pro, Low Cost Pro, Entry level....

I agree I am wrong, I have however used a 1v and 1D, I have used a EOS 3 before but was never impressed. I was just makeing a comment.... on my opinion, and I did state I could be wrong on that one.......

Its the DSLR and SLR market...

There isnt drastic differences in the 1v and the 3. Neither are there drastic differences from the 1Ds to the 1D........ I was just trying to get that across.. Just sealing and minute differences........ oh yeah fps...

Sorry If I was the one who caused any chaos or turmoil in peoples lives for posting wrong info...... My bad........
 
Oh yeah, by the way....... Um lets see here, they are the EOS 1 lineup........ just ones digital and ones film, so pretty much the 1D/1Ds are Digital 1vhs's... Id hope most things were similar........ if they werent why bother putting it in the 1 lineup.......

Just a thought
 
I believe that there are many more thoughts that justify the 1D feature set over a 10D
  • Do you photograph in weather where environmental seals will extend the camera life?
  • Do you like 22-24mm wide images for your 17-35 zoom instead of the 28mm you would get with a 1.6 10D crop?
  • Are you used to the speed necessary to capture that magic moment of a childs smile or expression of the momentary glance shared between family members or two in love or even the proper attitude of a birds wings in flight, the position of a flower in a gentle breeze a quick trigger would be prefered right?
  • Being able to customize your cameras controls to the type of photography you may be engaged with and not to be limited by the cameras capability?
While I wouldn't classify a 10D or 1Ds to be a studio camera neither would I relegate the 1D to be a action press pro only camera.

If anything the 1D would allow you to continue to grow as a photographer at any level you choose shooting fixed or hand held action in studio or out of doors in physically demanding environments.

I have seen more variety of photos taken with the 1D than any other camera. And from what I can tell there is not a noticable difference between a 1D photo and a 10D photo.

Keeping these in mind there would be only five factors I can see that would cause one to buy a 10D over a 1D.
  • Budget being the first.
  • Being able to live with a 1.6 crop factor being the second,
  • third really wanting the most resolution for the dollar if one was printing greater than 11 x 14 most of the time,
  • fourth not needing a fast trigger meaning most of you shots would be static planned images,
  • finally not being concerned about the environment meaning you rarely shoot in dust rain/snow or weather influenced imagery.
I hope this helps you decide on the best tool for your needs rather than being forced to classify your photography as pro on not or static/studio or action as these are not always the correct measure for making a proper decision for everyone.
 


) The D60 is noticable better than the D30 (



). Then you compare the 10D to the D60 (



)

Add it all up and you'll find the 10D has less noise than the 1D.

Seth
Hi,

Additionally, the 1D imager has physically larger pixels than the
imager in the 10D. The signal-to-noise ratio is better with the 1D
than the 10D as a result. That might be important to you.

Stan
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