God bless the Columbia crew

[*isteve]

Hear hear

I was certainly aware for a long time that the risks are most
realistically estimated at around 100 to 1. This information has
long been in the public domain. The astronauts are some of the most
technically aware people on the planet and would certainly have had
an accurate appreciation of the risks involved.

It puts the courage of those 7 souls into perspective doesn't it! And all crews before and since....

They are genuine heros who took those risks with their eyes open.
I am sure that not one of them would wish the space program to be
curtailed due to risk.

I'll second that one as well.

It is however true that we should put a lot more money and effort
into a safe and reliable replacement for the shuttle.

True - NASA's budget is relatively small compared to the sheer scale of the engineering challenges involved. There is ALWAYS more that can be done.

Steve

 

[David Martin]

I was certainly aware for a long time that the risks are most
realistically estimated at around 100 to 1. This information has
long been in the public domain. The astronauts are some of the most
technically aware people on the planet and would certainly have had
an accurate appreciation of the risks involved.

It puts the courage of those 7 souls into perspective doesn't it!
And all crews before and since....

They are genuine heros who took those risks with their eyes open.
I am sure that not one of them would wish the space program to be
curtailed due to risk.

I'll second that one as well.

It is however true that we should put a lot more money and effort
into a safe and reliable replacement for the shuttle.

True - NASA's budget is relatively small compared to the sheer
scale of the engineering challenges involved. There is ALWAYS more
that can be done.

Steve

--
DaveMart

 

[*isteve]

By all means, Don, thanks for the compliment.

Steve

If if you don't mind Steve I would like to save you text. No intent
to publish or anything. I just like what you said. It was profound

Thanks,

Don

 

[chris G]

Don,

Thank you for taking this one to task. I couln't have even begun to reply as intelligenly as you have done.

I've never fought in any war, but it doesn't a genius to recognize what those who have have accomplished.

It sure is a kick in the pants when one can look at all those crosses lined up around the world representing the Americans that gave their life, and then hear people from the same country say "US, mind your own business!".They died, in part, so people like those you repsonded to can type what they want without fear of being hauled off to jail. (Of course that still gives us the right to let them know when they are being a ....).

They handed my Aunt the American flag at my Uncles funeral recently from a "gratful nation". It's too bad they couldn't have said "from a gratful world" (He seved in WW2).

Your cause in this thread is noble, but I'm afraid those that don't get it, never will. Until their freedom is threatened once again.

Those that died yesterday did so in pursuit of the betterment of ALL of mankind. For that, we should ALL be gratful.

Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but if shows how ungratful you are, be prepared to hear about it.

You are very cold. Intellegent but very cold.

Whad ya think we don't cross paltform tech. advances here.

Look we saved the world once or twice already, will do again and
again if we have to. If others can't figure the future out in time
we will help them. If you and others want to stay in the third
world and study in mosques or something like that. Go ahead, don't
expect America stop furthering the advancement of mankind.

We agree on something the launch vehicle sucks. The program is
undefunded. Yell at the democrats not at people mourning their DEAD
heroes. Yell at the unions here for remaining in the steel age.
Your point is politically and in my opinion has no bearing on
heartfelt emotion generated by our DEAD heroes.

I'm A Nentenyahoo fan anyway Yahoooo!

I appreciate you claering this up for me I now see cleary where you
stand, and it has nothing to do with aliigators or whatever you
said.
Just plain old Cold.

Thanks,

Don

 

[Don Northup]

You are very welcome.

Thank you,

Don

Steve

If if you don't mind Steve I would like to save you text. No intent
to publish or anything. I just like what you said. It was profound

Thanks,

Don

 

[chris G]

Tis sad but very true David. Unfortunately there will always be givers and there will always be takers. The doers and complainers.

Well they gave their life for our interest in the unknown... my
condoleance also goes out to their familys, whove lost so much more
than most of us can imagine.

Fraid I disagree with you there. Schmucks will totally refuse to
recognise any debt or show any gratitude for sacrifices made.
That's what schmucks do.
But don't let that stop you celebrating their lives. That makes it
worthwhile, that people like you should be inspired to do your best
to live as well as you can.
Very warm regards,
--
DaveMart

 

[Don Northup]

I have not done enough. I believe in causes and I appreciate the oppourtunity to say my piece.

Many thanks and good wishes to you and all,

Don

 

[Don Northup]

Don,
Thank you for taking this one to task. I couln't have even begun to
reply as intelligenly as you have done.
I've never fought in any war, but it doesn't a genius to recognize
what those who have have accomplished.
It sure is a kick in the pants when one can look at all those
crosses lined up around the world representing the Americans that
gave their life, and then hear people from the same country say
"US, mind your own business!".They died, in part, so people like
those you repsonded to can type what they want without fear of
being hauled off to jail. (Of course that still gives us the right
to let them know when they are being a ....).
They handed my Aunt the American flag at my Uncles funeral recently
from a "gratful nation". It's too bad they couldn't have said "from
a gratful world" (He seved in WW2).
Your cause in this thread is noble, but I'm afraid those that don't
get it, never will. Until their freedom is threatened once again.
Those that died yesterday did so in pursuit of the betterment of
ALL of mankind. For that, we should ALL be gratful.
Everyone is welcome to their opinion, but if shows how ungratful
you are, be prepared to hear about it.

This is really good stuff. You have said alot.

Don

 

[Sundance138872]

I took Jaus's statement to mean we should be compassionate everday,
not just on days when something big and tragic hits the headlines
and fiery video footage crosses our TV screens. The list of
tragedies that occur everyday accross the world would more than
fill this message board's bandwidth capacity, to say the least. The
horrific mistreatment of Greenland Inuit native's by the Danish
government would be somewhere on the list. I suspect Jaus is not
part of the mainstream-thought in his country regarding that
subject.

Shock and sadness at the shuttle crash are normal and good. I feel
frustration for the families of the victims. And I send them love
and support, the only way I can, with my thoughts and prayers.

There is nothing wrong with Bush asking for God's blessing for his
country. But he should ask for better rocket scientists as part of
the bargain. I remember Richard Feynman, the scientist who finally
got to the truth behind the Challenger explosion, writing that the
chances of a crash at that time were about one in a hundred, as
opposed to NASA's claim (reported of course as "fact") that they
were one in a few thousand.

effzee

This stuff here, plus you carrying an invalid point that means
nothing to the people expressing their heartfelt sympathyhere. I
just don't see what validity the 100,000 to 1, or others suffering
has to do with people "incorrectly" stating sympathy as it seems
you have been saying in your vigorous and rigours defense. I do
applaud your efforts.

I think we can agree to be friends aye,

Don

-

You´re quite right Don! It would be very foolish to start throwing mud around like that, it would only lead to somebody pointing at what You are doing to your native americans....
Sundance

 

[Pat]

Thanks Don, for your thoughts. This is indeed a sympathy thread and for others to try to inject politics into it is truly unfortunate.

They should start a separate thread on Bush or whatever it is that riles them if they want to whine about politics.

This is neither the time or place (thread) to try to pick a fight.

May the Columbia 7 rest in peace.

Pat

Greame,

You are missing the point. No one said you can't voice you opinion
here. I only reccomende that anti-regret or whatever you and jaus
are posting, Just does not seem to do anything constructive. What
does it add in a sympathy thread. I think it degrades and
antagonizes the discussion and the people that want to express
remorse here.

Why dont you and jaus start your own "Who all deserves the most
sympathy" or a "Who does deserve sympathy " or a " Whatever you
want to complain about thread"? See if alot of people would like to
participate maybe you would get more than a few backers of you
argument.

You came into this discussion with nothing but a bunch of
propoganda you wanted to get off of your chest. People did'nt like
it and now your are mad.

I guess you just don't see th big picture here. C'mon Greame,
this is a Photo site, people wanted to express sympathy and your
are trying to lump on some of your own personal vies and problems.
You are the one not being constructive here.

A proud American Veteran and American Legion member,

Don

 

[Don Northup]

Expressed sympathy was the topic here. For the fallen heroes of my country. That was the thread.

If you wold like to discuss Native Americans. I will. However,you are probably not going to get an argument from me. I think the USG owe the majority of the Native Americans more than what they have given them. We were not discussing any of that though, everyone was trying to express their regards for the DEAD. I have a Native American Aunt she is my favorite Aunt.

You may do better in discussing N.A. with someone other than me. I would consider myself ignorant to most of the issues they are dealing with today.Except for one area. Casino gaming. I like Roulette and We have tribes within 45 minutes from here. They have great Casino deals.I never get to go. But I do try to follow some of the gaming issues of today.

The N.A. are getting a great footholdin U.S. gaming. Most of the poor tribe members are not seeing a trickle down effect. Some tribes compensate fairly.

God Bless our Fallen Heroes,

Don

You´re quite right Don! It would be very foolish to start throwing
mud around like that, it would only lead to somebody pointing at
what You are doing to your native americans....
Sundance

 

[chris G]

Yeah Don,

I also noticed how you have completely overlooked how the steelworkers have been treated as well. And how about the shoddy treatment the small aircraft engine mechanics have been receiving? And the horrible time the National Association of Synthetic Dyes for Flowers Industry? Why, oh why does this post overlook they terrible state these people are in? How, oh how can you be so calous? You should be ashamed!

(ps: I could have been more sarcastic, but it's getting late, and that's the best I could do on short notice)

The Native Americans post was trolling at its best.

If you wold like to discuss Native Americans. I will. However,you
are probably not going to get an argument from me. I think the USG
owe the majority of the Native Americans more than what they have
given them. We were not discussing any of that though, everyone was
trying to express their regards for the DEAD. I have a Native
American Aunt she is my favorite Aunt.

You may do better in discussing N.A. with someone other than me. I
would consider myself ignorant to most of the issues they are
dealing with today.Except for one area. Casino gaming. I like
Roulette and We have tribes within 45 minutes from here. They have
great Casino deals.I never get to go. But I do try to follow some
of the gaming issues of today.

The N.A. are getting a great footholdin U.S. gaming. Most of the
poor tribe members are not seeing a trickle down effect. Some
tribes compensate fairly.

God Bless our Fallen Heroes,

Don

You´re quite right Don! It would be very foolish to start throwing
mud around like that, it would only lead to somebody pointing at
what You are doing to your native americans....
Sundance

 

[chris G]

I'd like to get an idea how people feel about the treatment of hotel workers in the Carribean. Good place to start this topic do you think?

 

[Don Northup]

Slow done hear just a minute I agree on a point of subject and I get piled on I don't get it

Sympathy thread for catastrophic NASA event that just occured. Not trash US policy.That what this was, not anymore though some you guys ruined the effect for some if not most of us.

Since I am here.I am not a union man. Never was never will be.

I don't want to argue with any steelworkers here but in my opinions most of the unions are holding America back. Keeping us fromadvancing fast enough. My opinion. So I completely disagree with your union statement.

I have had my toolbox welded shut froma Union member.It was not cool. I was working on an addition to a high school at the time.

I believe the Airline industry has beenahanging in the balance for years. Maybe decades. In my opinion it needs to shrink itself. Come full circle. I do not agree in strikes or most bailouts.I believe in American free enterprise. And Darwinism. Ihave no clue what you are talking about with flower dyes. Iam sorry. It does not sound like a humanitarian issue though. I can tell you if its more regulation or legeslation I would probably against it. I amagainst harming the enviormen,but Idonot side with the fanatics.

Now, calous and ashamed, I am neither. I am actually in wonderment as to where exactly your arguments fit in the context of the original posters remarks.

By the way, by me not mentioning something, does not mean that I have overlooked anything.

Sleep well,

Don

(ps: I could have been more sarcastic, but it's getting late, and
that's the best I could do on short notice)

The Native Americans post was trolling at its best.

If you wold like to discuss Native Americans. I will. However,you
are probably not going to get an argument from me. I think the USG
owe the majority of the Native Americans more than what they have
given them. We were not discussing any of that though, everyone was
trying to express their regards for the DEAD. I have a Native
American Aunt she is my favorite Aunt.

You may do better in discussing N.A. with someone other than me. I
would consider myself ignorant to most of the issues they are
dealing with today.Except for one area. Casino gaming. I like
Roulette and We have tribes within 45 minutes from here. They have
great Casino deals.I never get to go. But I do try to follow some
of the gaming issues of today.

The N.A. are getting a great footholdin U.S. gaming. Most of the
poor tribe members are not seeing a trickle down effect. Some
tribes compensate fairly.

God Bless our Fallen Heroes,

Don

You´re quite right Don! It would be very foolish to start throwing
mud around like that, it would only lead to somebody pointing at
what You are doing to your native americans....
Sundance

 

[Don Northup]

Geeez,

I don't know how to answer that.

This is a Digital forum. At least the Shuttle is somewhere related by some extension. And friends were meeting to offer their regards.

Look, I have taken salt water showers at some of your resorts. I have also partied at th Bora Bora disco outside Mombassa. Whatever youare talking about with this Carribean entertainment industry stuff is I don't know. But I will tell you, and it is a fact. If one of those hotels blows up tomorrowand you start a sympathy thread. I and most others will express deep sentiments. We will not try to trash the day.

Don

I'd like to get an idea how people feel about the treatment of
hotel workers in the Carribean. Good place to start this topic do
you think?

 

[chris G]

Don,

I as I mentioned in my post, it was sarcasm. Trying to emphasize what does NOT belong in this thread, and how ludicrous it was for someone to bring up the treatment of Native Americans.

Just like you would not catch me bringing up the way the Arawak people were expelled or exterminated by Caribs on an unnamed Caribbean island. Or how the United States supports such islands efforts to expand its economic base and to provide a higher standard of living for its citizens by providing assistance through multilateral agencies such as the Inter-American Development Bank, the World Bank, and the Caribbean Development Bank (CDB). Or how technical assistance is also provided by the Peace Corps, which has about 20 volunteers on mentioned island, working primarily in education, youth development, and health.

This is just not the place for such a discussion.

 

[chris G]

Don,

This is getting a bit carried away. This is Chris from the US, not the Caribbean. See my other response. I am getting carried away with my sarcasm and you are taking me seriously.

I don't know how to answer that.

This is a Digital forum. At least the Shuttle is somewhere related
by some extension. And friends were meeting to offer their regards.

Look, I have taken salt water showers at some of your resorts. I
have also partied at th Bora Bora disco outside Mombassa. Whatever
youare talking about with this Carribean entertainment industry
stuff is I don't know. But I will tell you, and it is a fact. If
one of those hotels blows up tomorrowand you start a sympathy
thread. I and most others will express deep sentiments. We will not
try to trash the day.

Don

I'd like to get an idea how people feel about the treatment of
hotel workers in the Carribean. Good place to start this topic do
you think?

 

[Don Northup]

I was wondering what was up.Daaahh.. I heve been thinking about going to bed for an hour I shoud have Iguess My print is so small and I have been leaning wayback editing some picks half closing one eye to see the print clearly. Sorry Again.

Now.I completely agree, and appreciate the time to clear that up.Ill reread this stuff tomorrow.

Thanks for mentionig the outreach stuff. Very important issues. My step-brother spent quite a timein the peace core ayaers ago.araguay I believe.

I will be watching for sarcasm next time. Iam gladwe agree completely My bad.

Best wishes,

Don

Don,
I as I mentioned in my post, it was sarcasm. Trying to emphasize
what does NOT belong in this thread, and how ludicrous it was for
someone to bring up the treatment of Native Americans.

Just like you would not catch me bringing up the way the Arawak
people were expelled or exterminated by Caribs on an unnamed
Caribbean island. Or how the United States supports such islands
efforts to expand its economic base and to provide a higher
standard of living for its citizens by providing assistance through
multilateral agencies such as the Inter-American Development Bank,
the World Bank, and the Caribbean Development Bank (CDB). Or how
technical assistance is also provided by the Peace Corps, which has
about 20 volunteers on mentioned island, working primarily in
education, youth development, and health.

This is just not the place for such a discussion.

 

[Don Northup]

I am glad that settled now. Gracious that was terrible. I amlauging now. busting even.Great sarcasm when read in that light. As my boy sys "yougotjokes" Hehe.

I don't post alot of sarcasm.If I do its always to blunt.Yours was great.Iwill not miss it when you next use it.

Take care,

Don

 

[Don Northup]

So many US bashers out today. So many names. So many forums. I temporarily lost track of who is who. I missed it from the top. Your points were great sarcasm. Like I mentioned before,I will be looking for it.Sorry for that somewhat comical confusion. Thanks again forthe earlier compliment,and very nice to meet you.

To close this thing out, with our fallen brothers in mind.

Goodnight

Don