God bless the Columbia crew

[Trimoon]

Jaus is not a “jerk”. He’s an anal orifice.
He’ll always be an anal orifice. There’s
nothing that can change that.

 

[David Martin]

Jaus is not a “jerk”. He’s an anal orifice.
He’ll always be an anal orifice. There’s
nothing that can change that.

Now come on. We've no need to descend to that sort of level. It is also entirely against the way Phil wants the forum run and we are his guests here.
--
DaveMart

 

[John37158]

I don't know where you're from Jaus, but I wish you'd go back there. Obviously, you're not an American otherwise you'd feel the same grief that all Americans feel when one of there own (in this case 6 of their own) have given their lives for all humanity... NOT JUST AMERICA!

John in Omaha

 

[netop]

my post had newer to do whit disrespect for the sad accident that no one can argue against

But I do se far more sad things going on In the world-- Calling for Compassion and help.
jaus

 

[Melanie Kipp]

Well Jaus,
perhaps it's a language barrier, eh?

my post had newer to do whit disrespect for the sad accident that
no one can argue against
But I do se far more sad things going on In the world-- Calling
for Compassion and help.
jaus

--
Please visit me at:
http://www.caughtintimephotography.com

 

[Don Northup]

John. Don't want to argue here. Today we are most worried about fanatics like the muslem fundamentalists. They are the ones spewing the bravado, They are the ones targeting civilians of all nations. Over 1 millions Christians have been killed with machettes and the like in Africa. I million , recently. They slautered Christians in Indonesia. Gaza, Palestine, They have taken over the holys church in the world for gosh sake. I am not arguing that Islam is not peaceful. I know that. However, if you are a true fudlementalist, you did not learn at a Islamic University. Youi learned at mosque. If it is the wrong mosgue you learn to hate america. That the waay it has been for a long, long, time. We stepped in on behalf ofthe Muslems many times befor. IMHO they have never aprreciated it. You know we cold let the mid East fight it out if we want to. Thay ALWAYS war. We can't. We have made it our policy to protect Israel and any inkling of democracy that we have in the region. Genocide is one thing. Current threats are another. We have to be realistic about this. We need to protect us and others from present danger. CLEAR and present danger..

I am not discounting anyones previous contribution to soceity. I am talking about. Hamas, Islamic JIhad, The Pal. Authority and there political tenticals.I amworried about the band of kooks in P.I. Ivistited Karachi once. Did not even get to come on shore. Looked at it from 2 miles of the coast. You know why. Muslems were killing Christians in the steets with machine guns. Many killed each night. To dangerous even for us little olf US military guys. That was back in the 80's. Without a larger outreach programit is just getting worse. Some times we have endure a type of darkness until we can cleana clear path to the warm sun. People are blocking those vital rays now. Some may need to be killed along the way. It has to be that way for we want Americas life to grow long and tall in that Sun. Some fundalmentalists just don't want that to happen. They are like an eclipse. Temporary. They won't go away themselves. We will have to give them nudge.

Just a guy that wants to see all of his periinials grow in next year. You know what I mean?

Don

I get the feeling these Islamic extremist wouldn't be very open to
putting together such a diverse crew of astronauts even if they did
have their own national space program. Heck, they won't even let
drive cars. And they wan't to destroy the U.S.? > >

Xenophobia only harms everyone, yet you have to protect yourself
from those who would seek to kill you; but Islam is not the problem
any more than Christianity which has also been used as an excuse by
madmen to commit acts of genocide.
I think we should remember that Islam, when correctly followed, led
to a massive increase in Humankind's understanding of science and
mathematics without which there would probably be no space program
of any kind today. Remember too that fanatical terrorists in this
(and any) religion tempt God's anger by daring to assume they have
His backing for their malevolent ideas. So no assured fast track to
Heaven for these poor brainwashed souls.
Yes, God bless America... and help make the world a better place.
John.

 

[Martin H. Schwartz]

I don't know where you're from Jaus, but I wish you'd go back
there. Obviously, you're not an American otherwise you'd feel the
same grief that all Americans feel when one of there own (in this
case 6 of their own) have given their lives for all humanity... NOT
JUST AMERICA!

John in Omaha

It is not worth to spend any time or effort to discuss MR. Jaus. He took a tragic world event and tried to make a political statement. He should be ashamed of himself. The Columbia crew was working for the betterment of all mankind. The five Americans, one Israeli and one Indian-American were working for NASA and the United States, who bear the financial burden and technology, keeping the program running "for the improvement of the world". There were numerous scientific projects on board pertinent to life on Earth. A person like Jaus should show a little respect.

 

[netop]

if so I find it better than a barrier in my mind

my post had newer to do whit disrespect for the sad accident that
no one can argue against
But I do se far more sad things going on In the world-- Calling
for Compassion and help.
jaus

--
Please visit me at:
http://www.caughtintimephotography.com

 

[DaveFultzJr]

Whenver there is a tragedy like this, you always see a few folks who try to make some political hay out it, instead of expressing condolences for those who lost their lives.

I really feel sorry for you folks. I hope you become better people as you mature...

--
~ SONY DSC-S85 ~

 

[David Martin]

my post had newer to do whit disrespect for the sad accident that
no one can argue against
But I do se far more sad things going on In the world-- Calling
for Compassion and help.
jaus

--
Please visit me at:
http://www.caughtintimephotography.com

You seem to find the word 'final' difficult
--
DaveMart

 

[GCam]

Actually I would imagine most who read your post just think you are
a jerk. Jerks transcend any national limits.

And Robert Burns wrote:

Oh would some power the Giver give us, To see ourselves as others see us. "To A Louse."

 

[Melanie Kipp]

my post had newer to do whit disrespect for the sad accident that
no one can argue against
But I do se far more sad things going on In the world-- Calling
for Compassion and help.
jaus

--
Please visit me at:
http://www.caughtintimephotography.com

You seem to find the word 'final' difficult
--
DaveMart

--
Please visit me at:
http://www.caughtintimephotography.com

 

[Don Northup]

Dave,

You probably Know this by now. Christy was the brave teacher that was lost in the first tragic mishap. She was the first civilian up in the shuttle I believe. The media made a very big story of her before the fatal launch.

This efzee guy does not seem to understand. That math is math and science is science. Nopostulates or theorms here. No energy balance eqaution needed here. No algerbra, trig, or statistics.. Just simple math.
I'm tired of seeing this complete 100,000 to1 lie. That all of it.

Please just tell this scientist effzee to do the. The number of like manned missions. Divided by the number of unsuccsessful missions. You have your odds. You barely get 100,000 to 1 odds driving to your local drug store.

You would heve to be on some sort of drugs to achieve a 100,00 to 1 figure. Why dontwe figure the rest of the manned spaced flight into the equation. Russian odds wer TERRIBLE. Add in apollo orbitor shots.
Launch pad failures, and all the Chuck Yeager type stuff.

Everyone who participates in flight. Knows the risks. From the expers in their field. Not from some free speech channels VHS proganda tapes.
Or books written by pundits, spinsters, greens, ...........................

It is science and math and history. Not Las Vegas style odds. Like its a ball game or something.

Take the missions do the math and hold rank speculative incorrect opinion to yourself. Or show me the math.

Thats what I always say.

Just my 2 cents from an old electronis guy.

By the way what wee my odds of blowing up, when I once was to scared to pick up a Russian drone that had went down near our ship. I thought odds were high. Some else dragged it up. You know what though my opinion was uninformed at the time, just like I believe our friend effzee is now.

Sorry Dave, had to get it off my chest. Do the math mr. Z

Don

I was certainly aware for a long time that the risks are most
realistically estimated at around 100 to 1.

I would guess that you've been aware of it for as long as the rest
of us, after the Challenger explosion and after Feynman said it in
public, much to the chagrin of NASA oficials. The official number
really was 100,000 to one.

That's the number Christa McAuliffe believed, for example.

In the other reply, I was told that I'm just repeating political
propaganda. I say, well, of course I am, but so is everyone else.
We choose the propaganda we wish to believe.

I love space exploration and my sentiments today lie firmly with
the families of the astronauts, who I certainly consider heroes
along with everyone else here.

Best,

effzee

This information has

long been in the public domain. The astronauts are some of the most
technically aware people on the planet and would certainly have had
an accurate appreciation of the risks involved.
They are genuine heros who took those risks with their eyes open.
I am sure that not one of them would wish the space program to be
curtailed due to risk.
It is however true that we should put a lot more money and effort
into a safe and reliable replacement for the shuttle.
--
DaveMart

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http://www.pbase.com/effzee

I wasn't trying to denigrate you in my response. I am at a
disadvantage as I don't know who Christa MacAuliffe is. I assume
she is one of the astronaughts, my apologies but we haven't had
such extensive covourage as there would have been in the States
here in the UK.
If she is indeed one of the astronauts and quoted that risk figure
she can hardly be said to be a victim of propoganda.
I agree with you that NASA did everything it could at the time of
the Challenger disaster to indicate that the risks were lower than
was the case.
However every one of the astronauts had the expertise to evaluate
the risks for themselves. She may have persuaded herself that the
risk was lower than it really was.
We can all be guilty of wishful thinking.
I suppose that the reason I am a little defensive is that I am
confident that most of the astronauts are very well aware that they
are engaged in a very risky business indeed, and go in to take
those risks with their eyes well open.
However unintentionally that impression may have been given I am
not comfortable with any position which sees these people as in
some sense dupes rather than people of quite extraordinary courage.
Once again, I never supposed that that was your intention and
nothing I am saying should be taken as in any way a personal
reflection on yourself.
I suppose I am also somewhat defensive as at least here in the UK
we have so much of the media which is entirely anti the space
program or believe that the moon landings were faked or some such
nonsense that those of us who feel that it the great adventure of
our times have a continual fight against this sea of negativity.
I agree with you that I have sometimes felt that NASA has for the
last 30 years sometimes seemed like an organisation devoted to
making sure that space travel stays as expensive and risky as
possible.
Far more of the budget should have been devoted to improving launch
vehicles rather than going for the ISS IMHO. On the other hand, the
ones who are paying are the Americans, and all that we can do here
is cheer from the sidelines.
Best regards.
--
DaveMart

 

[Gillis Danielsen]

Well they gave their life for our interest in the unknown... my condoleance also goes out to their familys, whove lost so much more than most of us can imagine.

 

[Sundance138872]

May I ask what You mean by that? I´m also Danish and in no way in any kind of sympathy with the statements of Jaus, but to Me (if I understand the implications of Your statement correct) You sounds just as intolerant as he.
Sundance

 

[Sundance138872]

May I ask what You mean by that? I´m also Danish and in no way in
any kind of sympathy with the statements of Jaus, but to Me (if I
understand the implications of Your statement correct) You sounds
just as intolerant as he.
Sundance

--
Sundance

 

[Don Northup]

Why don't you tell someone in your own country or neigboring countries your thoughts, instead of stirring up trouble here. You are off point. Politics is not a sentiment. What you have noone to discuss this with at home. Nobody agree with you views. You have not presented one logical point here to substantiate degrading all of these people who appreciate theDEAD peoples scarifices here. You are acting like nothing has happened. You sound like you work for Hamas or something. I think you are trying to convert one of us to one of you. It won't happen. Do you what sum-total means. I don't know if you do. You are trying to weigh your own intellegence against many others at the same. You will not tip the scales here in your favir. I have alot of disagreements with my fellow people. ALOT. But in a civil world we do not use chemical or biological weapons or attacks like yours. If you could present factual foundation to base your case on that would be onething. But you can't do that. Beacause no one is stating cases here. This is a thread for expressing everlasting thoughts. Not thoughts that you will regret later. Even if you do not like many. Why lose more friends here. Go skiing or something. Let it blow over. If you are right most will have forgotten in 3 days. If not oh well. Otherwise I say you do like fishing. If you ever stop in our godforsaken country. I will loan you my boat.

Don

my post had newer to do whit disrespect for the sad accident that
no one can argue against
But I do se far more sad things going on In the world-- Calling
for Compassion and help.
jaus

--
Please visit me at:
http://www.caughtintimephotography.com

 

[tony gant]

someone said to me today that the space programe was a waste of time .money and lives and also said whats the point.i replied the point is that one day life on earth will have to leave this planet or fail to exist . when that day comes our ancestors will be eternally grateful to the people who sacrificed so much regardless of race .creed,or religion..these people died for the greatest cause of all,god rest there souls..

Well they gave their life for our interest in the unknown... my
condoleance also goes out to their familys, whove lost so much more
than most of us can imagine.

 

[David Martin]

Well they gave their life for our interest in the unknown... my
condoleance also goes out to their familys, whove lost so much more
than most of us can imagine.

Fraid I disagree with you there. Schmucks will totally refuse to recognise any debt or show any gratitude for sacrifices made. That's what schmucks do.

But don't let that stop you celebrating their lives. That makes it worthwhile, that people like you should be inspired to do your best to live as well as you can.
Very warm regards,
--
DaveMart

 

[Don Northup]

Thank you for your clear vision Gillis.

I whole heatedly agree.

Don

Well they gave their life for our interest in the unknown... my
condoleance also goes out to their familys, whove lost so much more
than most of us can imagine.