...In the Nikon D800 anyway.
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Sony 36MP FF sensor good enough for a Gold Award!
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Ed at Ridersite
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Interesting that it gets a Gold Award and is only AVERAGE in performance.
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Is there any proof that D800 is in fact using Sony sensor?
TrojMacReady
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Except that it's within measuring error of the performance from the D7000 sensor scaled to FF , in every respect (SNR, DR, colour sensitivity, tonal range, etc.) and at every ISO and that the sensor itself looks exactly like all other Sony Exmor sensors, no. None.
WaltKnapp
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Nikon says it's their own design. So even if Sony fabbed it, it's Nikon's.
TrojMacReady
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Yep, same wording they used for the D7000 sensor. "Their design", that .... first appeared in the A55 and A580.
Karl Scharf
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The Nikon D800 got an 82 rating from dpreview, the Sony A77 an 81, and the A77 isn't even a full frame camera. Not all that much difference. Each camera has its strong points and weaknesses, it all depends what your personal shooting requirements are.
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how can a camera get a gold award that has a bug or catches on fire?
Amateur Sony Shooter
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DPR gave A65 "Gold Award" while it only earned 78%. So obviously value proposition played large rule here. If D800 is priced at $3500 (to be same as 5DIII) I suspect DPR will reduce their rating accordingly. Nevertheless D800 is hell of a camera for $2999 except I don't like Nikon colour in general (personal taste though).
Amateur Sony Shooter
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Yes all the suspicion point towards Sony sensor but until someone smash and open up D800 (much like D7000 was treated before) we never know for sure who makes that sensor.
tbcass
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Average for that class of camera is still very good. With IQ of that caliber very good performance is all you need. I imagine the huge size of the 36mp files slows things down a bit.
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Sorry Walt, but Sony will never just be a fab for Nikon.
In fact, Nikon does not design sensors. They rely on Sony and Aptina for that. Nikon just determines the AA filter, etc.
In fact, Nikon does not design sensors. They rely on Sony and Aptina for that. Nikon just determines the AA filter, etc.
Because it says "Nikon" on the front.
This is how DPR explains their reasoning for the Nikon D800 Gold Award (I have taken the liberty to bolded the kernel of their argument):
"Fortunately, the D800 also excels in areas that require no extra effort on your part; notably its impressive high ISO performance, fast and accurate AF system and the wide dynamic range of its image files. These are attributes that most of us are likely to call on far more often than the need to view 20x30 prints at a very close distance. The D800 is a camera that consistently delivers high quality results, under a wide range of shooting conditions with a minimum of fuss. There's not much more you can ask for in a photographic tool than that. Our admittedly minor complaints of the camera and its relatively slow frame rate don't detract from how impressive a performer it is for all but pro sports/action photography. As such we've awarded it our highest honor, the Gold Award." -DPReview
If Sony decides to build another FF camera, I suspect they may use a variant of this 36 MP Sony fabed sensor.
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WaltKnapp
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Nikon can not only design sensors, they design the very equipment that Sony uses to fab sensors. Sony can't even design their own fab equipment.
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"can't even" - LOL. Because designing a sensor and designing fab equipment are so closely related.
tbcass
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Walt, I don't believe that for 1 second.
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Walt would you like to provide a link to that statement? Without any solid back up your credibility, that is already near zero, will go downer.
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http://www.dpreview.com/news/2003/7/18/nikonsensor
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Interesting that the article is 9 years old yet for model-after-model since then, people have been claiming that there are Sony sensors hiding inside Nikon cameras. What's up with that?
From Wiki: As at end 2006, the Nikon D2H and the D2Hs were the only publicly available cameras known to carry the sensor. Nikon has opted to use CCDs sourced from Sony in most of their low and mid range cameras and used a CMOS sensor in the flagship D2Xs/D2x. The LBCAST sensor in the D2Hs has remained at 4.1MP.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LBCAST )
This may suggest that while Nikon, at one point, showed an interest in producing their own sensors, they didn't follow through and went back to Sony as their primary supplier.
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From Wiki: As at end 2006, the Nikon D2H and the D2Hs were the only publicly available cameras known to carry the sensor. Nikon has opted to use CCDs sourced from Sony in most of their low and mid range cameras and used a CMOS sensor in the flagship D2Xs/D2x. The LBCAST sensor in the D2Hs has remained at 4.1MP.
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LBCAST )
This may suggest that while Nikon, at one point, showed an interest in producing their own sensors, they didn't follow through and went back to Sony as their primary supplier.
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