D60 vs D100 (I'm telling, not asking!)

My own testing with both cameras (a year or so ago) led me to the
conclusion that the D60 left the D100 in the dust. A friend of
mine is trying to make the same decision now, and I asked him to
send me some links to awesome D100 sample photos. He couldn't find
any, but sent some links to me anyway - very unimpressive.

I'd be very interested to see full-res shots taken with both
cameras, including EXIF info (my friend would be even more
interested).
Can't give you a link to all full-res photos, but people are doing great work with the D100, that's for sure. I think the original poster is probably more on the money with this than anyone who makes a broad statement about one camera being far superior to the other (D100 vs D60). The bottom line is and always will be to use whatever photographic tools you prefer to capture your personal vision.

http://www2.photosig.com/photos.php?cameraId=2358

(If you're not a member of photosig you'll be limited in the number of photos you can view (1 page). Register and you'll see hundreds of quality D100 shots.)

BTW photosig is the best place I've found on the net to see high quality work from ANY format camera. It's a good place for inspiration.

Peace,

DS

-A very happy D100 owner-
 
Jeeze! Sorry about not having pictures up! Here they are, these are crops from the full size image, from the camera, nothing done. So they're a bit dusty....

But these are under studio lighting, we're going out and about today for a test under outdoor conditions.

Lenses are what I would likely be using at work, on the Nikon, the 2.8 AF Micro Nikkor 60mm, on the Canon the 2.8 100 EF Macro. So no, no L glass for the Canon, since I probably won't be able to swing that with the initial purchase. It's the "next" upgrade!

Both are JPEG, I know that going from RAW would be "better", but I also figured that it would be better for both, so JPEG to JPEG is probably pretty fair. Besides, for at least half my shooting, I'll probably be using the high JPEG file setting, so this is valid for my needs. Both look like they could use some help from PS, but really, I was very impressed with both images. Like I said, I'm not saying one is "better" than the other, just that either would likely work for me.

I only bothered testing the Nikon because it seems that you can't GET the bloody Canon, if they were on the shelves, I'd have bought one right off the bat.





Sorry I couldn't figure out how to do those as a direct link!
Bill R.
 
Maybe if you would share the name of the shop that rents D60's some
other lucky forum members could get their hands on one for the
holidays while they wait for delivery of their very own!
It was Glazers, in Seattle. While I'll have to give the edge to the forums, these guys are a very close second in providing me with the info needed to make a buying decision like this. I wouldn't ever call deciding how to spend $3K "easy", between the reviews, the forums, and the folks at Glazers, it's been about as "easy" as it could be!
Bill
 
I'm very, very impressed with both.

Honestly, I don't see why all the "my camera is better than yours" arguments. They're both excellent and both have similar and differing advantages. Both systems have merits and you can make equally appealing arguments for both.

Why can't owners of both be happy and just shoot freakin' pictures?!

Brendan
--
If a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, I'm the world's most dangerous man!
 
What is your source? A statement like this with no credible source is useless and just leads to just another useless rumor!
look to compare with a model that is still in production and not
oldtimers.....
Rented both the D60 and the D100 for the weekend, in an effort to
make my choice. I thought I would post the results so far, since I
see this question a lot (including the time I asked it!) There is
so much debate about this pair, the choice MUST be obvious, right?
Well... Ummm...
There isn't a difference.
Sorry I couldn't drag it out more! But really, the iamge quality,
operation, and overall "niceness" of each camera came out about a
dead even matchup. Both came with the optional portrait grip, and
as far as weight, and handling, both matched up pretty evenly.
I like a couple of features on the Nikon better than the Canon, the
on off switch, and the feel of the grip portion. A couple of the
features on the Canon outshone the Nikon, namely the noise from teh
focus motor and the "set" button in the middle of the control wheel.
But in terms of the image, I really see nothing to choose form
between the two. Once I'm done tweaking the image in PS7, (and both
took about the same amount of fine tuning), the resulting prints
look pretty much the same. I ran 5x7, 8x10, and just for fun a crop
out of an image sized to 20x30. They all look great. What really
impressed me was how well both cameras have handled the shooting so
far.
Today was studio stuff, tomorrow will be getting them outdoors.
Bill R.
 
Like this one?



here is a link to the other shots from Saturday. http://www.pbase.com/tonyk/20021123

Take care,
I'm very, very impressed with both.

Honestly, I don't see why all the "my camera is better than yours"
arguments. They're both excellent and both have similar and
differing advantages. Both systems have merits and you can make
equally appealing arguments for both.

Why can't owners of both be happy and just shoot freakin' pictures?!

Brendan
--
If a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, I'm the world's most
dangerous man!
--
TonyK
 
-------------- it has come to my attention that there are two
distinct owners of both the Canon and the Nikon in this class of
camera.

Your question about “good” samples has cropped up from time to time
and when I initially bought my D100 and complained, I was shown a
lot of work.

I’ve made my choice but this subject continues to fascinate me and
my conclusion is this ~ for whatever reason, I think there are more
photographers attracted to the Canon, who were already well versed
in photography and continue with the D60 to produce good work and
are knowledgeable enough to see the difference – anytime I am
looking for real technical knowledge I hang out in the Canon forum
for instance – a higher proportion of working and responding
professionals post here more than anywhere else ~ as far as I’ve
noticed.

On the other hand we seem to have a “weekend driver” brigade who
simply want to “own” a Nikon, seemingly a far, far higher
proportion of D100 owners did not own any camera or camera of
significance ~ this very phenomenon was foisted on the D30 in the
early years too if one remembers.

I have to admit that when I was doing the “which camera” I was
shown beautiful, inspiring photographs from the D60 but I was
directed to embarrassing rubbish from more and very excited D100
owners.

So my very brief and not serious take on owners:

Canon = Dedicated to achieving the best with knowledge to spare.
Nikon = A lifetime’s ambition to own a Nikon – They need glasses
to read the manual and a Canon owner to explain it to them.
Fuji = Bone idles who want the camera to do all the work and
they wear starched white shirts. ------ ;)))
Hi Ger Bee,

It is good to see you here on the Canon forum. For two years ago i read a lot of your posts on the Okympus forum (i am a former E10 owner) with pleasure. Your psts were often very humoristic and to the point, just as I think this last one is here.

Regards

Fred

http://www.pbase.com/fredschaaf
 
Rented both the D60 and the D100 for the weekend, in an effort to
make my choice. I thought I would post the results so far, since I
see this question a lot (including the time I asked it!) There is
so much debate about this pair, the choice MUST be obvious, right?
Well... Ummm...
There isn't a difference.
Sorry I couldn't drag it out more! But really, the iamge quality,
operation, and overall "niceness" of each camera came out about a
dead even matchup. Both came with the optional portrait grip, and
as far as weight, and handling, both matched up pretty evenly.
I like a couple of features on the Nikon better than the Canon, the
on off switch, and the feel of the grip portion. A couple of the
features on the Canon outshone the Nikon, namely the noise from teh
focus motor and the "set" button in the middle of the control wheel.
But in terms of the image, I really see nothing to choose form
between the two. Once I'm done tweaking the image in PS7, (and both
took about the same amount of fine tuning), the resulting prints
look pretty much the same. I ran 5x7, 8x10, and just for fun a crop
out of an image sized to 20x30. They all look great. What really
impressed me was how well both cameras have handled the shooting so
far.
Today was studio stuff, tomorrow will be getting them outdoors.
Bill R.
--
Jamie W.
Canon D60
Film? What do you mean, film?
 
Thanks Kem, I'm not sure where all these people are coming from. I wish they would make a link to information to support their opinions before they spit out stuff from the wrong end of the digestive system.

Alfred
look to compare with a model that is still in production and not
oldtimers.....
Rented both the D60 and the D100 for the weekend, in an effort to
make my choice. I thought I would post the results so far, since I
see this question a lot (including the time I asked it!) There is
so much debate about this pair, the choice MUST be obvious, right?
Well... Ummm...
There isn't a difference.
Sorry I couldn't drag it out more! But really, the iamge quality,
operation, and overall "niceness" of each camera came out about a
dead even matchup. Both came with the optional portrait grip, and
as far as weight, and handling, both matched up pretty evenly.
I like a couple of features on the Nikon better than the Canon, the
on off switch, and the feel of the grip portion. A couple of the
features on the Canon outshone the Nikon, namely the noise from teh
focus motor and the "set" button in the middle of the control wheel.
But in terms of the image, I really see nothing to choose form
between the two. Once I'm done tweaking the image in PS7, (and both
took about the same amount of fine tuning), the resulting prints
look pretty much the same. I ran 5x7, 8x10, and just for fun a crop
out of an image sized to 20x30. They all look great. What really
impressed me was how well both cameras have handled the shooting so
far.
Today was studio stuff, tomorrow will be getting them outdoors.
Bill R.
--
No 1D, very few lenses, no camera bag or teleconverters thanks to
some thief. Also, NO Canon 1200mm f/5.6.
 
I did the same research looking at just about every full-size image offered for them and the S2 and bought a D60. I have not seen anything since to make me think I made the wrong choice.

--
http://www3.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=3626
 
I agree Biil, Glazers is a great place for solid information. Wonderful places to pick up used L lenses as well.
Maybe if you would share the name of the shop that rents D60's some
other lucky forum members could get their hands on one for the
holidays while they wait for delivery of their very own!
It was Glazers, in Seattle. While I'll have to give the edge to the
forums, these guys are a very close second in providing me with the
info needed to make a buying decision like this. I wouldn't ever
call deciding how to spend $3K "easy", between the reviews, the
forums, and the folks at Glazers, it's been about as "easy" as it
could be!
Bill
--
Dan Brown
http://www.pbase.com/wheatenman

'If nothing changes, nothing changes'
 
Most of Jaco's D100 pics just look soft and noisy to me:

http://www.jacobel.com/wwf/imagepages/image26.htm
http://jacobel.com/Turkey/imagepages/image23.htm
http://jacobel.com/ahr/imagepages/image23.htm

Don't get me wrong - there were some nice shots there, and I've seen far worse photos elsewhere, but I still haven't seen a single D100 shot that left me awestruck the way many, many D60 shots have.
My own testing with both cameras (a year or so ago) led me to the
conclusion that the D60 left the D100 in the dust. A friend of
mine is trying to make the same decision now, and I asked him to
send me some links to awesome D100 sample photos. He couldn't find
any, but sent some links to me anyway - very unimpressive.
between the two. Once I'm done tweaking the image in PS7, (and
I agree that JPEGs straight out of a D60 should look better than
those of a D100, but after tweaking the quality of the photos
should be fairly similar. And in good hands the D100 images could
be very, very impressive even without much tweaking - see Jaco's
photos at http://www.belgiumdigital.be .

Having said that, I sold the whole of my old Nikon film based
system and bought D60 (with 2 Ls) 2 days ago and am a very happy
man. :)
 
...technically it's very hard to judge photos at 1/16th native resolution, and with what looks to be pretty heavy JPEG compression. It's a pity PhotoSIG doesn't allow slightly larger pics - the max size they allow takes up less than 1/4 of my screen. Take this fantastic sunset for example:

http://www2.photosig.com/viewphoto.php?id=359236

Beautiful scene, great light, but I see pixelation in the mist near the center of the frame, and in the trees on the far right. Probably they are JPEG artifacts, but it's hard to say with a heavily processed, scaled-down image like this one.

I bet this guy, like most great photographers, could take beautiful photos with one of those "Che-ez!" cameras, but that's not what we're discussing here (or is it?).
My own testing with both cameras (a year or so ago) led me to the
conclusion that the D60 left the D100 in the dust. A friend of
mine is trying to make the same decision now, and I asked him to
send me some links to awesome D100 sample photos. He couldn't find
any, but sent some links to me anyway - very unimpressive.

I'd be very interested to see full-res shots taken with both
cameras, including EXIF info (my friend would be even more
interested).
Can't give you a link to all full-res photos, but people are doing
great work with the D100, that's for sure. I think the original
poster is probably more on the money with this than anyone who
makes a broad statement about one camera being far superior to the
other (D100 vs D60). The bottom line is and always will be to use
whatever photographic tools you prefer to capture your personal
vision.

http://www2.photosig.com/photos.php?cameraId=2358

(If you're not a member of photosig you'll be limited in the number
of photos you can view (1 page). Register and you'll see hundreds
of quality D100 shots.)

BTW photosig is the best place I've found on the net to see high
quality work from ANY format camera. It's a good place for
inspiration.

Peace,

DS

-A very happy D100 owner-
 
Since buying a 1GB Microdrive for my D60, I tried RAW and haven't looked back since. Unless you just want to shoot 3fps continually for as long as possible, there's really no reason to shoot JPEG. I would highly recommend that you consider getting a 512Mb or 1GB storage card regardless of which camera you go with, and if you go the D60, don't even bother with JPEG.
 
I suppose everyone's got a different taste - I think Jaco has very very sharp eyes (prob. sharper than the D100 :)) and is able to capture the atmosphere and moments which are very difficult to catch, and with great composition - which I think, at least sometimes, is more important than just looking at the more "technical" stuff, like noise and sharpness, the pixels.

Actually I like the 3 photos you referred to, even though I think you are right, they look soft or noisy. But I think they are good photos. I'm sure some will agree with you, and I'm sure some will like the photos as much as I do.

Some early D100 photos by Cory I found in the Nikon SLR forum - I think they're very sharp and nice too.

http://www.photo.net/photodb/folder?folder_id=226681

I just think D100 is very capable of producing great photographs, if its in good hands. But knowing that I am not even half as skilled as Jaco or Cory, I bought a D60. :)
http://www.jacobel.com/wwf/imagepages/image26.htm
http://jacobel.com/Turkey/imagepages/image23.htm
http://jacobel.com/ahr/imagepages/image23.htm

Don't get me wrong - there were some nice shots there, and I've
seen far worse photos elsewhere, but I still haven't seen a single
D100 shot that left me awestruck the way many, many D60 shots have.
My own testing with both cameras (a year or so ago) led me to the
conclusion that the D60 left the D100 in the dust. A friend of
mine is trying to make the same decision now, and I asked him to
send me some links to awesome D100 sample photos. He couldn't find
any, but sent some links to me anyway - very unimpressive.
between the two. Once I'm done tweaking the image in PS7, (and
I agree that JPEGs straight out of a D60 should look better than
those of a D100, but after tweaking the quality of the photos
should be fairly similar. And in good hands the D100 images could
be very, very impressive even without much tweaking - see Jaco's
photos at http://www.belgiumdigital.be .

Having said that, I sold the whole of my old Nikon film based
system and bought D60 (with 2 Ls) 2 days ago and am a very happy
man. :)
 
I just noted that Ger Bee is actually a D100 owner - so I see his post was meant to be a joke which I failed to appreciate for the lack of any "background info" - my apologies for that!
Ger Bee's own D100 work for a start is very good (as it was with
the E10) .. He gets to bump into more D100 owners than we do as he
owns one and participates on the Nikon SLR forum so I guess he's
going by what he's read there..
 

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