SD9 sample pictures from Japan

[kalahari]

I agree that the pictures are very good. But I was extremely disappointed with a bayer digital camera (D7).

The reason I am looking carefully at this is to make sure that this is the last camera system I buy for the next 5 years. I will probably purchase a second body when the full sensor version comes out, but until them I want to make sure I am aware of all the pros and cons when making my purchase deision. If it were not for the foveon sensor, I would not even consider getting a digital camera, and stick to film.

I think these discussions are useful, since it profide valuable information to me, as well as, to Sigma. They know exactly the issues people are finding, and talking about, and they can target the improvements towards the consumer issues, rather than waste the effort on non-issues.

Given that they are so comparitively good, We have to find some
people in this world getting into the "Tall Poppy Syndrome" mindset
and trying to cut it down to bring it back to the level of
mediocrity that they are obviously used to in their personal lives.

http://www.pbase.com/image/6520882

Notice the starburst, the lens flare, and the strange colors around
the starbursts, etc.

It seems some people just doesnt want to believe that the Foveon
chip can work, or even exist in a production camera. So they right
way pin point any slightest imperfection of any SD9 image to the
sensor, as if none of those issues ever exist with any other
digital cameras. Instead of being fair and acknowledge that the
lens and the photographer for 99% of the time are the reason for
those problems that exist with in other cameras, they rather bash
the Foveon chip.

Im noticing this too. Strange. This is probably a good sign for
Foveon

--
DCS-F707, Nikon CP 950

 

[rick decker]

Hey Jimmy: I haven't seen many people at all (except Carlos and a few others) really "Bashing" the Sigma/Foveon product, even when they bring up things they notice.

I think you are a little bit of an alarmist Jimmy!! Of course if I lived in NY State I might be that way too.

I posted twice about artifacts I didn't understand. Didn't bash anything/body. Just wanted to understand what caused them. Not everyone is as up-to-date as you guys are on these things.

Very little of the posts (except for Carlos and a few others) have been bashing.

Of course you are welcome to "Show me the beef" (a favorite saying of "alarmists" when they order a steak)....are you blushing?

http://www.pbase.com/image/6520882

Notice the starburst, the lens flare, and the strange colors around
the starbursts, etc.

It seems some people just doesnt want to believe that the Foveon
chip can work, or even exist in a production camera. So they right
way pin point any slightest imperfection of any SD9 image to the
sensor, as if none of those issues ever exist with any other
digital cameras. Instead of being fair and acknowledge that the
lens and the photographer for 99% of the time are the reason for
those problems that exist with in other cameras, they rather bash
the Foveon chip.

--
jc
Sony F707
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery/f707
http://www.reeftec.com/gallery

 

[Hirokun]

Here is another samples uploaded.
Enjoy!

 

[rick decker]

I think expectations were too high with the D7. I bought one early on but with that camera it is always the agony and the ecstacy.

One really good thing came out of it for me! I bought an S1 Pro. If it weren't for Foveon, I would be into an S2 now.

The only problem is that my wife now cringes every time she hears me use the words "buy a new camera".

The reason I am looking carefully at this is to make sure that this
is the last camera system I buy for the next 5 years. I will
probably purchase a second body when the full sensor version comes
out, but until them I want to make sure I am aware of all the pros
and cons when making my purchase deision. If it were not for the
foveon sensor, I would not even consider getting a digital camera,
and stick to film.

I think these discussions are useful, since it profide valuable
information to me, as well as, to Sigma. They know exactly the
issues people are finding, and talking about, and they can target
the improvements towards the consumer issues, rather than waste the
effort on non-issues.

Given that they are so comparitively good, We have to find some
people in this world getting into the "Tall Poppy Syndrome" mindset
and trying to cut it down to bring it back to the level of
mediocrity that they are obviously used to in their personal lives.

http://www.pbase.com/image/6520882

Notice the starburst, the lens flare, and the strange colors around
the starbursts, etc.

It seems some people just doesnt want to believe that the Foveon
chip can work, or even exist in a production camera. So they right
way pin point any slightest imperfection of any SD9 image to the
sensor, as if none of those issues ever exist with any other
digital cameras. Instead of being fair and acknowledge that the
lens and the photographer for 99% of the time are the reason for
those problems that exist with in other cameras, they rather bash
the Foveon chip.

Im noticing this too. Strange. This is probably a good sign for
Foveon

--
DCS-F707, Nikon CP 950

 

[Hirokun]

This picture is caught by 15-30mm F3.5-4.5 EX DG.
Original picture address is...
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3024.jpg

 

[Hirokun]

Another 3 pictures.
(1)20-40mm F2.8/20mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3022.jpg
(2)20-40mm F2.8/40mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3021.jpg
(3)15-30mm F3.5-4.5 EX DG/15mm/F8/ISO100(already posted)
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3024.jpg

 

[Kim Bomstad]

Another 3 pictures.

I only get 403 forbidden...
but, try this - paste as one string to adress line

http://babelfish.altavista.com/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fisweb18.infoseek.co.jp%2Fphoto%2Fmodigi%2Fcgi-bin%2Fminibbs.cgi%3Flog%3Dlog1

--
Regards
KimB

 

[Hirokun]

Another New 5 pictures.

[SD9 TEST PART2]
http://isweb41.infoseek.co.jp/photo/asaido/sd9test2.html

------
Followings are already posted.
[SD9 TEST Part1]
http://isweb41.infoseek.co.jp/photo/asaido/sd9test.html
[Another 3 pictures]
(1)20-40mm F2.8/20mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3022.jpg
(2)20-40mm F2.8/40mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3021.jpg
(3)15-30mm F3.5-4.5 EX DG/15mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3024.jpg

 

[Samuel Pyrtle]

Thank you Hirokun - We really do appreciate the pics -

=)

Sam

--
Sam Pyrtle
F707 Owner & Lover
Soon-to-be Sigma SD9 Owner (& Lover???) =)
[email protected]

http://www3.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=11179

 

[Samuel Pyrtle]

I just copied the link below, pasted it into the web address area for explorer and added an 'h' to the front of it - and they all opened for me...

=)
Thanks
Sam

Another 3 pictures.
(1)20-40mm F2.8/20mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3022.jpg
(2)20-40mm F2.8/40mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3021.jpg
(3)15-30mm F3.5-4.5 EX DG/15mm/F8/ISO100(already posted)
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3024.jpg

--
Sam Pyrtle
F707 Owner & Lover
Soon-to-be Sigma SD9 Owner (& Lover???) =)
[email protected]

http://www3.photosig.com/viewuser.php?id=11179

 

[Erik Magnuson]

No "preproduction" excuses this time. Here is yet another example of the SD-9 turning bright red lights into pure white from photo 3022 (circled in white). Notice that there seems to be a pretty steep threshold as some of the lights are still OK (circled in cyan). Most interesting is the top stoplight that's half blown and half red.



We've seen this before in the night shots and the Toyota race car reflections. We could even see it on the imaging-resource 717 vs. SD-9 train station shots but I couldn't be sure if the original lights were red or not. Like I suspected, this will NOT be the ideal camera for taking photos of Christmas lights or fireworks.

--
Erik

 

[Jimmy Chen]

I think these discussions are useful, since it profide valuable
information to me, as well as, to Sigma. They know exactly the
issues people are finding, and talking about, and they can target
the improvements towards the consumer issues, rather than waste the
effort on non-issues.

And I agree that they are in fact very useful. It allows us to learn just what the camera can and cannot do. But IMHO blind guessing and one sided finger pointing isnt the correct way to do it. If we detect something that we havent seen before, it is best first confirm it is the camera and not something else like the lens or the photographer.

It is by comparing it to other camera images like what Ron did then we can learn and narrow down to the true cause of the problem.

--
jc
Sony F707
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery/f707
http://www.reeftec.com/gallery

 

[Dolan Halbrook]

This is the one thing about the SD9 samples that bothers me most.

The question becomes, I suppose, can we assume that when any intense red halos a white area, that that white was supposed to be an even brighter red? Or do we shoot everything a stop under in hope that the red highlights don't blow.

I remember pointing this out in with the CI samples from Photokina (esp the' stoplight in the train tracks sample). If Karl Guttag wants to make a case that something is "wrong" with the X3 sensor that warrants investigation, this is it.

Thoughts? Should I start reading the PS Filter API to create a SD-9 "restore red highlights" filter?

No "preproduction" excuses this time. Here is yet another example
of the SD-9 turning bright red lights into pure white from photo
3022 (circled in white). Notice that there seems to be a pretty
steep threshold as some of the lights are still OK (circled in
cyan). Most interesting is the top stoplight that's half blown and
half red.



We've seen this before in the night shots and the Toyota race car
reflections. We could even see it on the imaging-resource 717 vs.
SD-9 train station shots but I couldn't be sure if the original
lights were red or not. Like I suspected, this will NOT be the
ideal camera for taking photos of Christmas lights or fireworks.

--
Erik

--
--- http://www.reneeanddolan.net ---

 

[Dolan Halbrook]

Another New 5 pictures.

[SD9 TEST PART2]
http://isweb41.infoseek.co.jp/photo/asaido/sd9test2.html

------
Followings are already posted.
[SD9 TEST Part1]
http://isweb41.infoseek.co.jp/photo/asaido/sd9test.html
[Another 3 pictures]
(1)20-40mm F2.8/20mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3022.jpg
(2)20-40mm F2.8/40mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3021.jpg
(3)15-30mm F3.5-4.5 EX DG/15mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3024.jpg

Also:



Lots of blue sky and an airplane!

--
--- http://www.reneeanddolan.net ---

 

[Jimmy Chen]

I think you are a little bit of an alarmist Jimmy!! Of course if I
lived in NY State I might be that way too.

If I am an alarmist, why would you think I am so welling to accept these "problems" as generally caused by the lens and the photographer, and not the sensor/camera? Who is being the alarmist here?

I posted twice about artifacts I didn't understand. Didn't bash
anything/body. Just wanted to understand what caused them. Not
everyone is as up-to-date as you guys are on these things.

The problem of your post lies in the delivery of the messages ... Instead of confirming if these are common problems with other cameras as well, you start off by asking for confirmation if they are caused by the camera. Just by this nature you imply that other cameras do not cause these problems, so it must be this camera only.

Since we really know very little about these images and the skill level of the given photographer, maybe we shouldnt be so alarmed by these "problems". Why dont we hold back on being so eager to find new discoveries and just relax, sit back, and wait for Phil controlled review.

--
jc
Sony F707
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery/f707
http://www.reeftec.com/gallery

 

[Dolan Halbrook]

Sorry about that. Here's what I meant:

Another New 5 pictures.

[SD9 TEST PART2]
http://isweb41.infoseek.co.jp/photo/asaido/sd9test2.html

------
Followings are already posted.
[SD9 TEST Part1]
http://isweb41.infoseek.co.jp/photo/asaido/sd9test.html
[Another 3 pictures]
(1)20-40mm F2.8/20mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3022.jpg
(2)20-40mm F2.8/40mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3021.jpg
(3)15-30mm F3.5-4.5 EX DG/15mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3024.jpg

Also:



Lots of blue sky and an airplane!

--
--- http://www.reneeanddolan.net ---

--
--- http://www.reneeanddolan.net ---

 

[Dolan Halbrook]

That's odd. I see why Hirokun pulled the "h" from the link now. Last try:

ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3025.jpg

Add back the "h" and go see for yourself .

--Dolan

Another New 5 pictures.

[SD9 TEST PART2]
http://isweb41.infoseek.co.jp/photo/asaido/sd9test2.html

------
Followings are already posted.
[SD9 TEST Part1]
http://isweb41.infoseek.co.jp/photo/asaido/sd9test.html
[Another 3 pictures]
(1)20-40mm F2.8/20mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3022.jpg
(2)20-40mm F2.8/40mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3021.jpg
(3)15-30mm F3.5-4.5 EX DG/15mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3024.jpg

Also:



Lots of blue sky and an airplane!

--
--- http://www.reneeanddolan.net ---

--
--- http://www.reneeanddolan.net ---

 

[Brad Morris]

This looks like a Higher than normal sensitivity to Infra Red light blowing out the highlights on the traffic lights.

No "preproduction" excuses this time. Here is yet another example
of the SD-9 turning bright red lights into pure white from photo
3022 (circled in white). Notice that there seems to be a pretty
steep threshold as some of the lights are still OK (circled in
cyan). Most interesting is the top stoplight that's half blown and
half red.



We've seen this before in the night shots and the Toyota race car
reflections. We could even see it on the imaging-resource 717 vs.
SD-9 train station shots but I couldn't be sure if the original
lights were red or not. Like I suspected, this will NOT be the
ideal camera for taking photos of Christmas lights or fireworks.

--
Erik

--
DCS-F707, Nikon CP 950

 

[Brad Morris]

All you need to do is put a semi-colon at the end of the URL and it wont load the image

http://isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3025.jpg

Add back the "h" and go see for yourself .

--Dolan

Another New 5 pictures.

[SD9 TEST PART2]
http://isweb41.infoseek.co.jp/photo/asaido/sd9test2.html

------
Followings are already posted.
[SD9 TEST Part1]
http://isweb41.infoseek.co.jp/photo/asaido/sd9test.html
[Another 3 pictures]
(1)20-40mm F2.8/20mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3022.jpg
(2)20-40mm F2.8/40mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3021.jpg
(3)15-30mm F3.5-4.5 EX DG/15mm/F8/ISO100
ttp: isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3024.jpg

Also:

http://isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3024.jpg

Lots of blue sky and an airplane!

--
--- http://www.reneeanddolan.net ---

--
--- http://www.reneeanddolan.net ---

--
DCS-F707, Nikon CP 950

 

[Jimmy Chen]

Another 3 pictures.
(1)20-40mm F2.8/20mm/F8/ISO100

http://isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3022.jpg

(2)20-40mm F2.8/40mm/F8/ISO100

http://isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3021.jpg

(3)15-30mm F3.5-4.5 EX DG/15mm/F8/ISO100(already posted)

http://isweb18.infoseek.co.jp/photo/modigi/cgi-bin/img1/3024.jpg

Hirokun, next time place a semicolon ; at the end of the url and the link will show up as text and not as an imbedded image.

--
jc
Sony F707
http://www.reefkeepers.org/gallery/f707
http://www.reeftec.com/gallery