Why are folks trying to call everything in the world DSLR?

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What is your reason? What is the value of your reason in communication about cameras?

I say for many it's just to try and slip some other type of camera into a group where it does not belong. They have no faith in their new design so call it a different design. If the design is any good in it's category it can stand on it's own. Calling it a DSLR won't save it if it's not good enough. And most certainly what is a DSLR is well known, even Sony may know what it is.

Walt
 
What is your reason? What is the value of your reason in communication about cameras?

I say for many it's just to try and slip some other type of camera into a group where it does not belong. They have no faith in their new design so call it a different design. If the design is any good in it's category it can stand on it's own. Calling it a DSLR won't save it if it's not good enough. And most certainly what is a DSLR is well known, even Sony may know what it is.

Walt
Because the term is widely known and it's days as what it really stands for are numbered.

More importantly - why do you care??? It's a camera, not a religion.

TF
 
First, i wish that is all I had to worry about in life. Second, most people are familiar with the term "SLR", but many do not know what it means, or care. Technically, it would have to have a mirror to be "Reflex". But most people, are more concerned with the versatility and image quality obtained by an SLR more than the mirror. Nex and u4/3, while they do not have mirrors, they do have image quality rivaling real SLR's, because the heart is there. If the technology was around when SLR was coined, then i doubt SLR would have been coined.

Several years ago, Olympus had an SLR (film) camera that had a built in lens (35-120mm or so, i believe). Yes, it had 1 lens and a mirror. I would argue that NEX or u4/3 cameras are as much if not more so what i would want for "SLR" pictures.

This complaint is tiresome, and there is a NEX forum for all of the mirror deficient serfs in the world.

I will agree cameras like the H1, S1, and DiMage 7 are not and should not be called SLR. Technically it is incorrect, and the image quality and versatility are not there. the R1 would be a draw.

Kleenex, Band-Aid, Coke. All names of items used to describe other items that are not. But we all know what is meant.

Oh, and images are "photoshopped" despite the program used to alter them.

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Digital Single Lens Rearviewfinder. Lets make the square peg fit the round hole!

Who can come up with the best descriptor for NEX that can fit the acronym DSLR?!?!?!
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Film is a four letter word
 
When you want people to think your camera is "just as good as a dslr", you call it a dslr.
What is your reason? What is the value of your reason in communication about cameras?

I say for many it's just to try and slip some other type of camera into a group where it does not belong. They have no faith in their new design so call it a different design. If the design is any good in it's category it can stand on it's own. Calling it a DSLR won't save it if it's not good enough. And most certainly what is a DSLR is well known, even Sony may know what it is.

Walt
 
What is your reason? What is the value of your reason in communication about cameras?

I say for many it's just to try and slip some other type of camera into a group where it does not belong. They have no faith in their new design so call it a different design. If the design is any good in it's category it can stand on it's own. Calling it a DSLR won't save it if it's not good enough. And most certainly what is a DSLR is well known, even Sony may know what it is.

Walt
Because the term is widely known and it's days as what it really stands for are numbered.
Exactly, and that's why we call the wheel we use to steer the car the bridle!
More importantly - why do you care??? It's a camera, not a religion.

TF
 
I don't think that they are.
I've seen people in these forums call a cell phone camera a DSLR. And just about every other type of camera as well.

It's really too bad there are no DSLR supporters in the Sony group. All seem to want to invite any camera in instead of being DSLR shooters. No interest in high quality DSLR shooting anymore. Just which snapshot camera is going to replace DSLR. That is my impression of this group's interests now. It's about the limits of photography, folks. DSLR is pretty much the top end, replace it entirely with cameras incapable of doing all the photography you can do with a DSLR system and that will lower the level possible in top end photography. Do that enough and it might as well be a cell phone camera.

That is what I worry about, the degrading of top end photography by lack of equipment. It looks almost certainly like Sony is going to do that even though they claim to support DSLR. Luckily Sony is a minor player and that's not going to be rushed into by Canon or Nikon.

What is the use of competition in photography if all the cameras are identical and for a certain subset of photography only? Might as well have one camera for all in only one brand. That is what is being pushed here.

I repeat, this is supposed to be a DSLR group. It's certainly running as fast as it can away from DSLR.

Walt
 
I don't think that they are.
I've seen people in these forums call a cell phone camera a DSLR. And just about every other type of camera as well.

It's really too bad there are no DSLR supporters in the Sony group.
I have never called Nex a DSLR or even a P&S camera. I have always refereed to it as ILC or a Mirrorless camera. You are the one who was the most active calling nex a p&s (when they are not; p&s is a meaningless term as Canon G11 beats the crap out of Sony DSLR A290 in manual control).

You are also exaggerating when you claim that many people refer to everything as a DSLR. That's flat out false. One or two ignorant people might have done it, but that's about it. Some people did say that mirrorless system is superior to DSLR. Some did say that these cameras will kill DSLRs one day once all the kinks (especially AF kinks) are sorted out. They didn't call it a DSLR but something that is potentially superior to the old clunky DSLR design with mechanical slow moving noisy mirrors.
 
For me it is important if a camera has a viewfinder for aiming the target and/or a LCD screen. Moving objects can easily tracked with a viewfinder, but it is very difficult to do that with a LCD. Does not matter if it is OVF (DSLRs) or EVF (Dimage, KM A2) with manual zoom, but I fail often when I try to do that with my Pana TZ-6.
 
It is just interested in whatever will provide it with the best tool - for them.

What is so hard to get about that - most people could care less if it has a mirror box or not just interested in the IQ they can get and the cost and size of the kit they have to get.

If companies can come up with an economically viable alternative to the DSLR, that produces better IQ, and you don't want to participate then you will be in a very small group. Think Mennonite and horse buggies..
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Is this a pre-rant about the pellicle cameras?

Are we going to start seeing petitions to move A33 and A55 to the NEX forum \ their own forum even before they've been released?
 
What is your reason? What is the value of your reason in communication about cameras?

I say for many it's just to try and slip some other type of camera into a group where it does not belong. They have no faith in their new design so call it a different design. If the design is any good in it's category it can stand on it's own. Calling it a DSLR won't save it if it's not good enough. And most certainly what is a DSLR is well known, even Sony may know what it is.

Walt
Anyway there was one guy who kept making new threads about the subject, talking about how the fact that an LCD screen is in his opinion a "reflection" of what the main taking lens sees, which means (to him) that the NEX or Panny GH cams could be considered DLSRs.

I don't agree at all, in fact there were two significant flaws with those arguments(and many smaller flaws). Consider:

D - Digital
S - Single
L - Lens
R - Reflex

"Digital" is relatively new and denotes a subset of all SLRs. Let's take a closer look at "SLR".

"SL" simply means that composition and capture occur through a single lens, "R" means the image is reflected into a viewfinder -- as opposed to the typical rangefinder/TLR cameras that were common when the term "SLR" was coined. At that time, the distinction between all other cameras and the SLR was this reflected view through the taking lens.

Other cameras that were not SLRs allowed the photographer to view the subject through the taking lens, but without reflecting the image. These have their own name, the most generic that I am aware of is "view camera" though I seem to recall variations on the view camera that have their own name.

Other cameras that were not SLRs reflected the light that the photographer used for composition, but did not use a single lens for composition/capture. TLRs are the only examples of this that come to mind but if someone can think of a non-TLR example please correct me.

Other cameras that did not allow composition through the taking lens and did not reflect the view in any way were for a time the most common and cheapest, with the obvious exception of rangefinder cameras which tended toward the higher end. I think that it is this nondescript morass of mediocre cameras that best fits the P&S cams of today; there really is very little to distinguish them technically. Maybe some fear that Non-DSLR non-rangefinders will be unfairly lumped into this category(as if that matters in the first place).

There is nothing in the "SLR/DSLR" terminology that indicates interchangeable lenses. There are many SLRs that do not have interchangeable lenses. Consider the Minolta MK 1 110 Zoom SLR. No interchangeable lens. The Olympus IS-1 was a classic example of an SLR without interchangeable lenses(Oly called the ZLR or Zoom Lens Reflex but later reverted to SLR).

I found it funny that part of the conversation about calling NEX/GH cams "DSLR" cameras revolved around the idea that those cameras having interchangeable lenses meant that they were SLRs. On that basis, we would be calling Leica rangefinders, view cameras, even interchangeable-lens TLRs "SLRs". :) I was amused by all this but the post had grown too large to be worth responding to.

It seems to me that people with EVF cams and NEX-like cams who want to have an identity that inicates they are not among the P&S masses should come up with a name for such cameras. EVIL is descriptive but will never gain traction with manufacturers for obvious reasons. And, to be fair, the NEX doesn't really have a VF, it has a screen so EVIL doesn't apply.

I for one really don't give a damn what they decide to call them, as long as they don't call them DSLRs. Not because I want to "protect" my camera from dilution of an acronym, but because it's simply not accurate.
 
If this is a pre rant about pellicle cameras, then thats just dumb. They have a single lens, AND A MIRROR!

how about DSLCWPTSQPAADSLR?

Digital Single Lens Camera Which Produces The Same Quality Photos As A Digital Single Lens Reflex.

Thats far more streamlined :/
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