Zeiss lenses : what make it so special?

I think the "magic" of these lenses, is how they make your wallet lighter. These lenses cost $1K+, right?
Yup, but they cost that for a reason - their rendering really is outstanding. Although I wouldn't say you "need" such a lens - I'm perfectly happy with my 20/1.7 on the E-P1, and that cheapo 25/1.4 TV lens I use from time to time just makes me unexplainably happy :-)
To my knowledge only Zeiss, Nikon and Canon make lenses that cost over 1,000,000 USD as well as lenses for camera's. Those real expensive lenses are used in Lithography tools and not m43 compatible :-(. But all three companies know lens optics, but the German company uses the Zeiss name only for real quality products. The actually also make cheaper optics for products of other companies (but guess then you will not be able to find their brand name).
  • But F-number and/or other toplevel specs clearly don't say everything, so market value might be the best quality indication ;-)
 
I have the Zeiss Planer 50/1.7 for my E-P1 and love it. Looking at Pixnat's pictures with the 28, however, I don't get anywhere near that sharpness wide open. Starting at 2.8 it's a great performer.

Is that my Zeiss or do other 1.7 owners have the same experience?

Les
 
My theory is simply that tradition plays. I have Zeiss binoculars from my granfather, WW1 vintage. The also designed periscopes for submarines in WW2.

Surely they must have found the most elegant optical designs, although I am not an expert.

My mean Zeiss 50/1.8 for Pracktica, a pancake, does not flare even wide open. Using the simplest designs, they probably reduced internal reflections.

Zuikos are almost in the same age bracket, being born in the 1930s, so we should be happy that they are alive and kickin'.

I suppose also that assembly lines with extreme tolerances play a big part. In a way you need microscopes to assemble binoculars.

Am.
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I wonder if it would be possible to attach Contax G lenses on the M4/3 camera?
Any opinions on that?
 
Yes, it can be done. There are a number of Contax G adapters out there that have some sort of mechanism built in to permit focusing the lens through either a wheel or a ring on the adapter mount.
 
The Zeiss Contax 28/2.8 is a very good lens and not typical Zeiss-ish. Not all Zeiss lenses have good, or neutral, bokeh and I don't think Zeiss always give priority to bokeh and putting it in front of resolution.

In my experience Zeiss lenses are mainly about micro contrast and I think that can be seen in your images.

Here are some samples (not mine) posted at a "bokeh thread" taken with the Distagon 28/2:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/662530/84#7591546
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/662530/34#6729772
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/662530/9#6165896
The second post, by Samuli, contains a link you should follow for more.

Many Zeiss lenses exhibit quite some LoCA unfortunately. That includes such otherwise great lenses as their recently re-introduced 50 and 100mm makro Planars.

So, emphasis on micro contrast and good coating, that's what I think. Sometimes I prefer the Leica look, sometimes the Zeiss (and then there are several others of course).

regards, and congratulations,

Jonas
 
Not poor but not great either.

If that's representative it's not an ideal portrait lens IMHO.

Edit: I checked back and saw it was a 28mm lens, which wasn't designed for that purpose anyway.

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Erik from Sweden
 
Hi Jonas,
The Zeiss Contax 28/2.8 is a very good lens and not typical Zeiss-ish. Not all Zeiss lenses have good, or neutral, bokeh and I don't think Zeiss always give priority to bokeh and putting it in front of resolution.
True. The 50mm f/1.4 have not a nice bokeh like the 28.
In my experience Zeiss lenses are mainly about micro contrast and I think that can be seen in your images.

Here are some samples (not mine) posted at a "bokeh thread" taken with the Distagon 28/2:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/662530/84#7591546
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/662530/34#6729772
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/662530/9#6165896
The second post, by Samuli, contains a link you should follow for more.

Many Zeiss lenses exhibit quite some LoCA unfortunately. That includes such otherwise great lenses as their recently re-introduced 50 and 100mm makro Planars.

So, emphasis on micro contrast and good coating, that's what I think. Sometimes I prefer the Leica look, sometimes the Zeiss (and then there are several others of course).
Yes, that may be the answer! Micro contrast is something that can definitely make the "look" of a picture. It's probably the micro contrast that makes the Zeiss look.

It's an important parameter anyway. Another lens which have a great micro contrast is the m Zuiko 17mm f/2.8. I've compared with the panny 20mm f/1.7, and pictures from the 17 have often a more pleasing look, despite being less sharp. And the funny thing is that the bokeh of the 17mm is similar with that of the CZ 28mm f/2.8.
regards, and congratulations,
Thanks and best regards
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Thanks Godfrey :-)

True, engineering and manufacturing are very important prameters of lens quality, and Zeiss is famous for that!
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Not poor but not great either.

If that's representative it's not an ideal portrait lens IMHO.

Edit: I checked back and saw it was a 28mm lens, which wasn't designed for that purpose anyway.
You're right about bokeh of the first picture, it's not great, but not bad at all considering it's a 28mm, and the bakground (leaves and branches) is a bokeh killer.

I tend to use the 28mm like a "normal lens" (56mm equivalent), but was surprised how well it was for portraits.

My favorite portrait lens for m4/3 is the ZD 50mm f/2. Even the Zeiss 50mm f/1.4 and 1.7 have not a smooth bokeh like it.

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I wonder if it would be possible to attach Contax G lenses on the M4/3 camera?
Any opinions on that?
Yes, it is possible, you'll find a number of links and discussion of the different adapters at the Getdpi forum (see the link given in the other post).

I own both Contax G (45mm and 90mm, the wa can't be mounted even with the adapter) and Leica M lenses (35mm, 50mm, 90mm). At first I wasn't interested in getting a Contax G adapter, because they are only duplicating focal lengths I do already have with the M lenses.

Here is what I found out :

1) The M lenses I own are one stop faster, F1.4 and F2, than the Zeiss lenses, F2 and F2.8. For this reason, the M lenses are much more heavier, especially the 90mm. So the photo bag is much ligther with the Zeiss G lenses.

2) The Contax G lenses are much more difficult to focuse. I got the Kipon adapter (generation 2, with a bigger wheel, but not the third genration coming with a ring), which is of a rather good quality. With the bigger wheel, you don't have to turn the wheel too long in order to change the plane of focus. However at relatively far distance, added to some rough point you encounter while turning the wheel, fine tuning the focus becomes a problem.

3) Since the Contax G lenses were AF lenses, you don't have a focus ring with marks. This makes zone focusing much more difficult, since you don't have points of reference. It doens't make zone focusing impossible (you can still focuse at a chosen point and if you stop down, you know that you get wider DOF, you can even use a DOF table you can download from the web. l

4) All this makes the Leica lenses easier to focus, both for fine focusing and for zone focusing (although theDOF marks standing in front of the aperture ring will be wrong (DOF tables are not the same for MFT and 35mm format), but you can look at them once and know how much you have to add.

5) When it comes to the performance of the lenses, they are pretty similar in sharpness (it is probably for a good reason that the Contax G lenses were said to be the poorman's Leica lenses). The only difference I have noted concerns the out of focus areas : the Contax G lenses have a more busy less pleasing bokey; the Leica lenses have a softer bokey, but on MFT bodies, as soon as you close the aperture, they look pretty similar; I think that on film the difference was greater; there was something more special to the Leica lenses which I'm not able to describe in words; it had something to do with the way the light was flooding the picture.

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Can you share your Post processing? The lens and the photographer both deserve all of the praise in this thread - I am just curious about how the images were processed.

I use masks to selectively sharpen the in focus areas and selectively noise reduce the out of focus areas (even when NR is not needed)

Thanks for any tips you may have.

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Jon
 
Thank you Jon.

The image were shot in RAW, devellopped as 16bit Tiffs in Olympus Viever, standard settings with contrast set at -2, noise filter off.

Then contrast adjustments (with curves layers), satruration, shadow/highlight recovery and resized in photoshop. I work with layers (curves, saturation,..) so I can work very percisely and cancel all if needed. After resize, I apply an USM sharpening of 100, 0.3,0. That's it.

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Frederic
http://azurphoto.com/blog/
 
Thank you Jon.

The image were shot in RAW, devellopped as 16bit Tiffs in Olympus Viever, standard settings with contrast set at -2, noise filter off.

Then contrast adjustments (with curves layers), satruration, shadow/highlight recovery and resized in photoshop. I work with layers (curves, saturation,..) so I can work very percisely and cancel all if needed. After resize, I apply an USM sharpening of 100, 0.3,0. That's it.

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Frederic
http://azurphoto.com/blog/
That is a nice and simple work flow. Thank you for the answer.
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Jon
 

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