The NEX3/5 are NOT enthusiasts cameras

[captain-beardy]

I've just been reading the production NEX lens thread with interest and dispair in equal measure. People seem to forget where Sony come from. They are a consumer electronics giant. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, the first NEX offerings aren't aimed at enthusasts, there's just not enough of us to repay Sonys R&D investment. Once Sony have recoped that, they'll look to the neich markets. Therefore the first offerings will be price point driven, not quality driven. As long as the output is good enough for the target Market group, then all is well in the board room.

If you want pictorial perfection then you'll have a FF large format Hasselblad for serious work and a Leica M9 as a carry around. Of course most of us don't have that kind of money, so we make compromises that we find acceptable. At the moment, as enthusiasts, the NEX doesn't meet those standards, but to many who will be primarily driven by cost, the NEX iwill do so given price point.

 

[Peter Zoltan]

who cares...this is the wrong forum...

 

[toon12]

more sony trolling.

I've just been reading the production NEX lens thread with interest and dispair in equal measure. People seem to forget where Sony come from. They are a consumer electronics giant. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it, the first NEX offerings aren't aimed at enthusasts, there's just not enough of us to repay Sonys R&D investment. Once Sony have recoped that, they'll look to the neich markets. Therefore the first offerings will be price point driven, not quality driven. As long as the output is good enough for the target Market group, then all is well in the board room.

If you want pictorial perfection then you'll have a FF large format Hasselblad for serious work and a Leica M9 as a carry around. Of course most of us don't have that kind of money, so we make compromises that we find acceptable. At the moment, as enthusiasts, the NEX doesn't meet those standards, but to many who will be primarily driven by cost, the NEX iwill do so given price point.

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Richard

 

[phototransformations]

I agree. Besides being preposterous (it's the photographer who decides how serious the camera is), this thread belongs in the Sony forum.

 

[007peter]

Sony never try to hide or pretend NEX is an enthusiast camera. It just that many enthusiast will chose to use it regardless.

Watch Sony executive interview with WathDigitalCamera:
http://www.youtube.com/user/WhatDigitalCamera#p/search/3/OHXGLJAzF5A

He says something like this:

great for people who have been used to digital compact but who always lust after image quality from a DSLR, but find it too big, bulky, heavy and and complicated

This is a camera targeting at the masses, so surprise here.

 

[zepzr]

more sony trolling.

look at his history. he has never posted to sony forum.

 

[captain-beardy]

more sony trolling.

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Richard

Not at all, yes I have a Sony TV, but I'm not a Sony fanboi in any way shape or form. I was just trying to point out to those people that are getting hot under the collar a out soft edges on the 16mm pancake lens, the they really are barking up the wrong tree. The NEX is engineered to a price point not a quLity standard. That may come later, but for the time being there really is no point analysing the NEX to this extent.

And I won't be going to the Sony forum any time son either P-)

 

[tedolf]

This is exactly the target market for the E-pl1 but I don't find the NEX cameras competative.

No live guide or built in flash for the newbies.

No IBIS for legacy lens users or recovering rangefinder addicts.

No Super Control Panel, hot shoe or remote flash control for former DSLR users.

I'm sure I will be wrong but I don't see who it is really going to appeal to. I know you could sell s--t in a bottle if you advertised it enough but NEX seems to have missed the mark.

 

[fsmith]

OK, but what if the higher-end NEX-7 is released with higher-end, Zeiss-tagged lenses?

http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/05/13/the-sony-nex-7-will-bring-1080p-recording-later-this-year/

Fran

 

[marcusaxlund]

What is the Sony ROI (Return of Investment) connection to photography?

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Marcus

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70-200 IS f/2,8L
100 macro IS f/2,8L
Canon EF 2x II Extender
Canon EF 25 II Extension tube
Speedlite 580
MT-24EX

Canon S90

 

[tgutgu]

This is exactly the target market for the E-pl1 but I don't find the NEX cameras competative.

No live guide or built in flash for the newbies.

This live guide stuff is superfluous and a waste of development anyway. It is a bad excuse for product designers of not providing good manuals or even video tutorials for those who are not in the habit of reading anymore. Once you have familiarized with your camera enough (which should be quick in general), these live guide stuff gets more in the way than it helps. To orient a camera user interface towards "live guiding" at the expense of direct controlling is very problematic for a system camera.

m4/3 is not targeted for beginners - those user groups would not care about interchangeable lenses! m4/3 is for users who are interested in photography and their background and therefore mostly do not need to be guided when using the camera basics. Decent manuals or even a photogrpahy introduction put in the box would be more sufficient.

No IBIS for legacy lens users or recovering rangefinder addicts.

No Super Control Panel, hot shoe or remote flash control for former DSLR users.

I'm sure I will be wrong but I don't see who it is really going to appeal to. I know you could sell s--t in a bottle if you advertised it enough but NEX seems to have missed the mark.

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Thomas

 

[julieng]

Lets assume you are right. Could be.

How can we ever tell once and for all that the E-mount will ever be limited to such cameras?

 

[Corkcampbell]

market and user to which these cameras are targeted, as have the various (p)reviews (this site, Luminous Landscape, Etc.) that I have read, so I'm not sure of the need for this thread.

The models with more advanced features will come later. This has been Sony's strategy with their dSLRs as well, and Canon's also, for that matter.

 

[Brooks Lester]

They know how to make high-end equipment. They're not just a company that makes over-automated consumer gear, which the NEX's may be.

 

[toon12]

more sony trolling.

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Richard

Not at all, yes I have a Sony TV, but I'm not a Sony fanboi in any way shape or form. I was just trying to point out to those people that are getting hot under the collar a out soft edges on the 16mm pancake lens, the they really are barking up the wrong tree. The NEX is engineered to a price point not a quLity standard. That may come later, but for the time being there really is no point analysing the NEX to this extent.

And I won't be going to the Sony forum any time son either P-)

I apologize for the hasty condemnation. Reflex reaction to another NEX thread, thought enough already.
Richard

 

[photoSmart42]

He says something like this:

great for people who have been used to digital compact but who always lust after image quality from a DSLR, but find it too big, bulky, heavy and and complicated

I'd call that irony. The NEX is the definition of too big, bulky, heavy, and complicated. Mission accomplished?

If their target is P&S shooters, then the NEX misses that boat severely. The principal factor for P&S shooters is portability and ease of use, and this camera is portable only if you don't have a lens attached, and the menus are incredibly complicated from all reports. I think the consumers it will appeal to are Sony loyalists, but I'm not sure it'll go much beyond that. I hope I'm wrong because we do need some competition in this space in order to advance innovation and control pricing, but so far I haven't seen it from either Sony or Samsung.

 

[phototransformations]

Still not seeing how this has anything to do with m4/3 cameras.

 

[Kiril Karaatanasov]

The NEX cameras are also for DSLR owners that want a second camera but a TZ or CyberShot or S90 do not quite fit the bill on IQ.

Clearly PEN and Panasonic are the better choice for single camera solution and as pointed out with much higher quality optics (at higher price)

Ps I do agree this thread does not belong to m4/3 forum

 

[tedolf]

"m4/3 is not targeted for beginners "

Take a look at Olympus advertising for the E-PL1.

 

[photoSmart42]

Still not seeing how this has anything to do with m4/3 cameras.

... but the topic was brought up in this forum, so I'm responding regardless. This should be in the Sony forum.